War

injinji

Well-Known Member
Does the loss of Soledar (and the apparent inability of the Ukrainians to drive a corridor to the Azov coast) indicate a sea change?
The ground didn't freeze until this week. Going to the coast is still the best bet for cutting off Russian supply lines. Not sure if they have the firepower to do it. But if they wait too long, Russia will bring in more troops.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
They took Soledar despite determined Ukrainian resistance.
In war ya make tactical withdrawals and counter attacks, the Russians concentrated a lot of forces into a small area and continued to pour more in during the planned withdrawal. What would you do if you were the Ukrainian general after pulling your men out of a pocket now over filled with Russians? I'd pour in artillery and turn it into a fucking graveyard!
 

BudmanTX

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Soledar is fluid right now, Wagner is getting there asses kicked, some reports say 5k killed 10k wounded of Wagner, and another call to the prisons for more troops already, Wagner estimated troop is 50k to give ya perspective. Other reports show they don't have the man power to hold it. All this for salt mines and gypsum
 

Fogdog

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The hodgepodge of western equipment going into Ukraine is getting dizzying,a maintenance nightmare. All the talk of western tanks,10 British Challenger 2's,really?. The only tank that can be given in numbers is the Leopard 2,it runs on diesel and doesn't need the upkeep as much as the American Abrams,which has a jet engine and needs a fuel truck riding shotgun practically,it's out of the picture. The Brit's,10 tanks c'mon man,that's like giving one breath to somebody needing mouth to mouth resuscitation.The combination of IFV's recently given is also ? as to how the Ukranian's can incorporate them into cohesive units,2,are tracked and carry troops in diff. numbers,one is wheeled and has a 105mm gun, good luck to the mechanics also. The longer the conflict drags on, not sure who it favors. Is the west in it to win it to the point of NATO involvement if things take a turn for the worse.I've bounced around a bit researching the war and not every opinion I've checked out has Ukraine winning a complete victory,and I can't envision Putin letting go of Crimea without provoking some kind of serious escalation. Ukraine upped it's goals after the victories last summer and Putin is still all in,we are approaching the 1 yr.mark w/no signs of resolution,prob. 1/2 million killed and wounded military/civilian between both sides,Ukraine 50% of cities and infrastructure destroyed. We were all hoping for Putin to be shitcanned, w/that hopefully ending this, those chances have grown slimmer disappointingly.Just hoping for a resolution to the suffering of these poor people while also avoiding a broader conflagration. I know this,as long as Putin is calling the shots,he will interpret a complete Russian defeat as a threat to Russia's sovereign existence,meaning???????
Did anybody other than Putin predict this would be over in a year? I thought it might when Russia invaded but that was dispelled after the first couple of weeks. Ukraine showed its ability to fight and Russia's inability to do anything other than lose men and equipment. The largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine is Russia. I've heard military analysts say same as you that the US Abrams isn't a good fit in Ukraine's infrastructure or military.

What Ukraine really needs is air support from NATO. I don't know if it's being considered by NATO nations but air support would just about end Russia's ability to fight in Ukraine.
 

Fogdog

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Soledar is fluid right now, Wagner is getting there asses kicked, some reports say 5k killed 10k wounded of Wagner, and another call to the prisons for more troops already, Wagner estimated troop is 50k to give ya perspective. Other reports show they don't have the man power to hold it. All this for salt mines and gypsum
30% casualties? A couple more weeks of victory and Wagner will cease to exist.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Did anybody other than Putin predict this would be over in a year? I thought it might when Russia invaded but that was dispelled after the first couple of weeks. Ukraine showed its ability to fight and Russia's inability to do anything other than lose men and equipment. The largest supplier of tanks to Ukraine is Russia. I've heard military analysts say same as you that the US Abrams isn't a good fit in Ukraine's infrastructure or military.

What Ukraine really needs is air support from NATO. I don't know if it's being considered by NATO nations but air support would just about end Russia's ability to fight in Ukraine.
They should have been training Ukrainian pilots on nato aircraft, just incase NATO air strikes into Ukraine would be like boots on the ground. ATACMS and agreed upon targeting, they can also geofence these things apparently and increased AA defense until Vlad runs out of rockets or can't get any through. Drones are easier to defend against with machine guns on trucks apparently.

I think we will soon see some movement in the war with Ukrainian offensive operations dependent on soil conditions and that depends on the weather.
 

BudmanTX

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30% casualties? A couple more weeks of victory and Wagner will cease to exist.
Pretty close those loses are over that one city. Bakamut is another, I would guess the same percentage of personal or higher costs there..js..

I have come across reports as well that this whole soledar thing is a big f u to pooty as well, like "see what we can do, and u can't thing"
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Pretty close those loses are over that one city. Bakamut is another, I would guess the same percentage of personal or higher costs there..js..

I have come across reports as well that this whole soledar thing is a big f u to pooty as well, like "see what we can do, and u can't thing"
They are cleaning the desperate fools out of the Russian prison system. It will make room for the new political prisoners who are filling the system now. They arrive by the trainload and the Ukrainians kill them by the trainload, often upon arrival! I say stop the trains inside Russia and let them walk to Ukraine!
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
They should have been training Ukrainian pilots on nato aircraft, just incase NATO air strikes into Ukraine would be like boots on the ground. ATACMS and agreed upon targeting, they can also geofence these things apparently and increased AA defense until Vlad runs out of rockets or can't get any through. Drones are easier to defend against with machine guns on trucks apparently.

I think we will soon see some movement in the war with Ukrainian offensive operations dependent on soil conditions and that depends on the weather.
Ukrainian pilots would make no difference to Russia vs. Nato pilots if Nato aircraft enter the fray. Either way they’re gonna say they’re at war with Nato. So might as well send in the pilots who know their airframes like the backs of their hands.

Before that, we have not yet seen the advanced antiaircraft weapons that have trickled into Ukraine being given a good workout. It might be interesting to splash a Bear or three at their missile-launch ranges.

Let Russia holler. They’re still not suicidal enough to release tactical nukes.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Ukrainian pilots would make no difference to Russia vs. Nato pilots if Nato aircraft enter the fray. Either way they’re gonna say they’re at war with Nato. So might as well send in the pilots who know their airframes like the backs of their hands.

Before that, we have not yet seen the advanced antiaircraft weapons that have trickled into Ukraine being given a good workout. It might be interesting to splash a Bear or three at their missile-launch ranges.

Let Russia holler. They’re still not suicidal enough to release tactical nukes.
Since the Russian air force hasn't made much of a showing in Ukraine, NATO won't either, all things being equal on the ground and not really required IMHO. The Ukrainians would be howling for it and have recently been silent on the issue of western planes, happy with the other arms systems pouring in I guess. Most of it won't be ready for winter offensives, but there is spring and much of the current stuff could be chewed up in battle.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Since the Russian air force hasn't made much of a showing in Ukraine, NATO won't either, all things being equal on the ground and not really required IMHO. The Ukrainians would be howling for it and have recently been silent on the issue of western planes, happy with the other arms systems pouring in I guess. Most of it won't be ready for winter offensives, but there is spring and much of the current stuff could be chewed up in battle.
Lately their air force has been pretty busy firing standoff weapons at civilian and aerial targets. I could be talking out of my hee-haw, but antiair seems like a useful mission currently.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Lately their air force has been pretty busy firing standoff weapons at civilian and aerial targets. I could be talking out of my hee-haw, but antiair seems like a useful mission currently.
If they wanna go deep inside Russia to get the bombers firing them from hundreds of kilometers away, not even the Ukrainain S300s can reach them. A drone with an aa missile might be able to bushwhack them though, even if it destroyed itself firing a sidewinder from down on the deck while in a steep climb. GPS to the area and activated on a signal, even an old mig fighter remote controlled on a one way trip.
 
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