Mar- A Lago raided FBI Warrants

DIY-HP-LED said:
I was curious, the latest polling I could find is from August 9, 2022, you would think some polling would have been done after the conclusion of the hearings? I'm sure the stats have changes since then, but by how much?

www.monmouth.edu

Jan. 6 Hearings Have No Impact on Opinion | Monmouth University Polling Institute

4 in 10 would back a Trump presidential bid in 2024
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polling is horseshit, especially in cases like this. people have different opinions as you cross streets, as you cross railroad tracks, as you go from small town to small town...to get anything like a representative example, they would have to poll at least 20k random people, and i do mean random.
 
Roger A. Shrubber said:
knowing that someone will break the rules isn't a good reason to not have any rules. simply make the penalties so severe that people think way more than twice before they break that rule.
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I think currently the focus is on the enforcement of legal penalties. Sure, you can write laws, but when they are not vigorously enforced in a timely manner, the deterrent effect is not in evidence. Justice delayed/denied and all that.
 
cannabineer said:
Perhaps we interpret the data differently.
From when the hearings started (June) to when they ended, the column of Americans who characterized that man’s culpability as “a lot” went +4%.
The column “none” went -4%. So the hearings seem to have had some effect, possibly a lot when seen through the lens of maga voters’ ideology.

Two caveats:
1) the percentages are not far from the noise floor
2) the August search for classified documents occurred and was much in the news during the interval. I saw no analysis to compensate for that.

So I conclude (if that’s the word for something inconclusive) that the hearings having “no effect” is arguable.
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A clear majority of Americans think Trump is unfit and guilty, but there is a large minority disconnected from reality. If anything, that is why you need trials and accountability, lot's of them! I think Trump's TV trial in Georgia will have the biggest impact on public opinion, federal trials are not televised. Trump and maga support is eroding away, but caution is required and sticking to the middle of the road is probably the best choice for some policy issues. That is Joe's plan, appeal to the middle, the left knows liberal democracy is their only path forward for social progress and it must be secured first.

Joe is like Gandhi, or more correctly Lincoln, his priority was to save the union, Joe's is to save the constitution and the way to do that is to keep the republicans out of power until generational and demographic changes take hold. Along with new laws to ensure voting rights, deal with domestic terrorism and level the electoral playing field.
 
Hey, American's aren't as stupid as many thought! :lol: Reality does make some difference...

slate.com

Americans Have No Problem Grasping How the Trump and Biden Classified Document Cases Differ

A new poll backs this up.
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Americans Grasp How the Trump and Biden Classified Document Cases Differ
A new poll backs this up.

The new poll says that, notwithstanding the White House’s botched lack of transparency around the documents’ discovery, a plurality of Americans—46 percent—think Biden should not be prosecuted, compared to 37 percent who think he should be. It’s the reverse for Trump: A plurality of 50 percent think he should be prosecuted, while 41 percent think he shouldn’t be.
 
DIY-HP-LED said:
Hey, American's aren't as stupid as many thought! :lol: Reality does make some difference...

slate.com

Americans Have No Problem Grasping How the Trump and Biden Classified Document Cases Differ

A new poll backs this up.
slate.com slate.com

Americans Grasp How the Trump and Biden Classified Document Cases Differ
A new poll backs this up.

The new poll says that, notwithstanding the White House’s botched lack of transparency around the documents’ discovery, a plurality of Americans—46 percent—think Biden should not be prosecuted, compared to 37 percent who think he should be. It’s the reverse for Trump: A plurality of 50 percent think he should be prosecuted, while 41 percent think he shouldn’t be.
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Am i the .001% that thinks we should wait for the Biden "investigation" to be over before we decide anything?
I'm very curious to the circumstances behind the situation, and don't have nearly enough information to make any kind of call...and neither does anyone else, yet.
 
Roger A. Shrubber said:
Am i the .001% that thinks we should wait for the Biden "investigation" to be over before we decide anything?
I'm very curious to the circumstances behind the situation, and don't have nearly enough information to make any kind of call...and neither does anyone else, yet.
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Just a poll on what people generally think based on the reporting so far and reveals biases more than anything. Trials and convictions change minds though and the more of them, the more minds that will be changed. That's why Trump's TV trial in Georgia is so important, justice must not just be done, it must be seen to be done, as the saying goes. If Donald is already convicted, a felon and in federal custody when he appears, it could be interesting, as to his attire...
 
Yeah, about that. This is a developing story. Given how tightly Jack Smith controls the release of information, we might not know much more than the following before the cuffs are slapped onto the guy who did this:

www.cnn.com

Trump team turns over additional classified records and laptop to federal prosecutors | CNN Politics

Former President Donald Trump's legal team turned over more materials with classified markings and a laptop belonging to an aide to federal prosecutors in recent months, multiple sources familiar with the investigation told CNN.
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The Trump attorneys discovered pages with classified markings in December, while searching through boxes at the former president’s Mar-a-Lago residence. The lawyers subsequently handed the materials over to the Justice Department.

NEW YORK, NY - SEPTEMBER 20: The legal team of former US President Donald Trump, led by M. Evan Corcoran, arrives at the Brooklyn Federal Courthouse. on September 20, 2022 in New York City. Trump's legal team is appearing before Judge Raymond Dearie, the special master assigned last week, in federal court to discuss the records that the FBI obtained on August 8, 2022, in a hearing that is open to the public. (Photo by Alex Kent/Getty Images)
Trump attorney appeared before federal grand jury in Mar-a-Lago probe
A Trump aide had previously copied those same pages onto a thumb drive and laptop, not realizing they were classified, sources said. The laptop, which belonged to an aide, who works for Save America PAC, and the thumb drive were also given to investigators in January.

Special counsel Jack Smith’s investigation, which is pursuing possible criminal charges related to Trump’s handling of national security records and obstruction of justice, had subpoenaed Trump last May for all classified records in his possession.

FBI agents seized classified documents and other presidential records during a search last August. The Trump team also found additional documents in a Florida storage facility and turned them over to the FBI.

The discovery of two documents with classified markings in the storage unit was made after a team hired by Trump’s lawyers searched it along with three other Trump properties: Trump Tower in New York, the Bedminster golf club and an office location in Florida.

Those four searches came amid lingering concerns from the Justice Department that not all of the documents from Trump’s time in the White House had been returned to the federal government.

CLARIFICATION: This story has been updated to more clearly describe what the Trump team turned over to investigators.

It's past time to petition the court for search warrants for every office and domicile the Trump family is associated with to search for more documents. The drips indicate a leaky roof. Have to fix that roof, not put pans on the ground to catch the drips and hope they will stop.
 
Fogdog said:
… It's past time to petition the court for search warrants for every office and domicile the Trump family is associated with to search for more documents. The drips indicate a leaky roof. Have to fix that roof, not put pans on the ground to catch the drips and hope they will stop.
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This. I am at a loss considering we’ve had probable cause for such action for over half a year. If it truly is a national security matter as we’ve been told, not having done this is a troubling omission.
 
Pence takes a shot.

“I read that some of those classified documents they found at Mar-a-Lago were actually stuck in the president’s Bible,” Pence said. “Which proves he had absolutely no idea they were there.”
 
cannabineer said:
Pence takes a shot.

“I read that some of those classified documents they found at Mar-a-Lago were actually stuck in the president’s Bible,” Pence said. “Which proves he had absolutely no idea they were there.”
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I thought his Buttigieg joke was actually kind of funny...
“Pete is the only person in human history to have a child and everyone else gets post-partum depression,” Pence said.
I'm assuming someone wrote that for him...
 
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