Trump To Turn Himself In

Budley Doright

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those are not mommy shoes
What!!! My ex used to wear outfits like that while taking care of both kids. She wore that exact outfit leaving the maternity ward. Well truthfully, I don’t think she wore anything but baggy sweat pants and sweatshirts, also gave me the finger lots :(. We lived in a cabin that we could only get to by snowmachine for the oldest girl ……fun times!
 

DIY-HP-LED

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FBI warns about potential violence stemming from Trump’s arrest claims

149,774 views Mar 20, 2023 #abcnews #fbi #trump
This comes as another witness is testifying in the Manhattan DA’s probe into the hush money payment to adult film star Stormy Daniels by the former president.
 

Fogdog

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Do you know what's not mentioned in todays article from the NYT that provides details about Trump's forthcoming indictment for violating campaign finance rules and the coverup? Almost everything @Homegrownoob and @xtsho have said. :lol:


Why charge him?
There are two main arguments for doing so: the evidence and the larger context of Trump’s behavior.

  • The evidence that Trump broke the law seems substantial: It includes testimony from Cohen and others, as well as Trump’s personal checks to Cohen. The hush money and the cover-up of it, in the final weeks of a close presidential race, seem to have been a brazen violation of campaign finance rules. To overlook the violation could encourage future candidates to ignore the law, too.
  • It’s true that prosecutors have typically treated presidents with deference, but Trump is not like any other former president. He has repeatedly shown disdain for laws and traditions that predecessors from both parties followed: He told thousands of lies while in office; refused to participate in a peaceful transfer of power; used the power of the presidency to benefit his company; pressured a foreign leader to smear a political rival; and much more. At a certain point, the rule of law becomes meaningless if anybody can repeatedly ignore it.
Why not charge him?
There are also two main arguments for not charging Trump in the New York case:


  • This case would rely on combining two charges — falsifying business records to cover up a campaign finance violation — that New York prosecutors have never before combined in this way. “The case is not a slam dunk, to be sure,” said our colleague Ben Protess, who has been covering the case. (But Ben added that the charges could resonate with a Manhattan jury.) Some legal experts believe that the first criminal charges filed against a former president should not depend on a novel prosecutorial approach.
  • The federal government has a process — honed over decades, by both Democratic and Republican lawyers — for investigating presidents and candidates. (Trump, of course, is also a 2024 presidential candidate.) Local prosecutors have spent far less time thinking about the legal and political impact of doing so. In today’s polarized political environment, it’s not hard to imagine that an indictment in this case could lower the bar for partisan local prosecutors to bring future cases against national politicians.

The false confidence some people have is amazing.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Jack or Garland is watching, and they might end up indicting them, if they step over the line and they are not too bright, just like their base.


McCarthy & Jordan attempt to shut down NY DA Alvin Bragg's criminal investigation of Donald Trump

10,762 views Mar 20, 2023 #TeamJustice
In a dramatic and transparent abuse of power, Representatives Kevin McCarthy, Jim Jordan and others attempt to interfere in New York District Attorney Alvin Bragg's criminal investigation of Donald Trump. This represents a gross abuse of congressional power, a potential violation of the 10th Amendment (as this is NOT a power delegated to the federal government), and it may also constitute the crime of obstruction of justice. But we can expect more of this abuse of power by McCarthy and company if law enforcement authorities decline to hold McCarthy and Jordan accountable for these abuses.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Do you know what's not mentioned in todays article from the NYT that provides details about Trump's forthcoming indictment for violating campaign finance rules and the coverup? Almost everything @Homegrownoob and @xtsho have said. :lol:


Why charge him?
There are two main arguments for doing so: the evidence and the larger context of Trump’s behavior.

  • The evidence that Trump broke the law seems substantial: It includes testimony from Cohen and others, as well as Trump’s personal checks to Cohen. The hush money and the cover-up of it, in the final weeks of a close presidential race, seem to have been a brazen violation of campaign finance rules. To overlook the violation could encourage future candidates to ignore the law, too.
  • It’s true that prosecutors have typically treated presidents with deference, but Trump is not like any other former president. He has repeatedly shown disdain for laws and traditions that predecessors from both parties followed: He told thousands of lies while in office; refused to participate in a peaceful transfer of power; used the power of the presidency to benefit his company; pressured a foreign leader to smear a political rival; and much more. At a certain point, the rule of law becomes meaningless if anybody can repeatedly ignore it.
Why not charge him?
There are also two main arguments for not charging Trump in the New York case:


  • This case would rely on combining two charges — falsifying business records to cover up a campaign finance violation — that New York prosecutors have never before combined in this way. “The case is not a slam dunk, to be sure,” said our colleague Ben Protess, who has been covering the case. (But Ben added that the charges could resonate with a Manhattan jury.) Some legal experts believe that the first criminal charges filed against a former president should not depend on a novel prosecutorial approach.
  • The federal government has a process — honed over decades, by both Democratic and Republican lawyers — for investigating presidents and candidates. (Trump, of course, is also a 2024 presidential candidate.) Local prosecutors have spent far less time thinking about the legal and political impact of doing so. In today’s polarized political environment, it’s not hard to imagine that an indictment in this case could lower the bar for partisan local prosecutors to bring future cases against national politicians.

The false confidence some people have is amazing.
the part I found especially especial was the thing about Biden wishing to avoid the trials dominating the headlines. Projection, perhaps.
 

xtsho

Well-Known Member
Do you know what's not mentioned in todays article from the NYT that provides details about Trump's forthcoming indictment for violating campaign finance rules and the coverup? Almost everything @Homegrownoob and @xtsho have said. :lol:


Why charge him?
There are two main arguments for doing so: the evidence and the larger context of Trump’s behavior.

  • The evidence that Trump broke the law seems substantial: It includes testimony from Cohen and others, as well as Trump’s personal checks to Cohen. The hush money and the cover-up of it, in the final weeks of a close presidential race, seem to have been a brazen violation of campaign finance rules. To overlook the violation could encourage future candidates to ignore the law, too.
  • It’s true that prosecutors have typically treated presidents with deference, but Trump is not like any other former president. He has repeatedly shown disdain for laws and traditions that predecessors from both parties followed: He told thousands of lies while in office; refused to participate in a peaceful transfer of power; used the power of the presidency to benefit his company; pressured a foreign leader to smear a political rival; and much more. At a certain point, the rule of law becomes meaningless if anybody can repeatedly ignore it.
Why not charge him?
There are also two main arguments for not charging Trump in the New York case:


  • This case would rely on combining two charges — falsifying business records to cover up a campaign finance violation — that New York prosecutors have never before combined in this way. “The case is not a slam dunk, to be sure,” said our colleague Ben Protess, who has been covering the case. (But Ben added that the charges could resonate with a Manhattan jury.) Some legal experts believe that the first criminal charges filed against a former president should not depend on a novel prosecutorial approach.
  • The federal government has a process — honed over decades, by both Democratic and Republican lawyers — for investigating presidents and candidates. (Trump, of course, is also a 2024 presidential candidate.) Local prosecutors have spent far less time thinking about the legal and political impact of doing so. In today’s polarized political environment, it’s not hard to imagine that an indictment in this case could lower the bar for partisan local prosecutors to bring future cases against national politicians.

The false confidence some people have is amazing.
Those are opinions. I can post those too. Here's one from MSNBC. I'm posting a site that you don't have to pay to read the article. But I'll still cherry pick specific pieces to make my point like you did.

Why New York's Trump indictment is so risky (msnbc.com)

That’s why, for some of Trump’s biggest critics, the prospect of an indictment related to the Daniels case leads to little but existential dread. That’s not because the facts show Trump engaged in no wrongdoing; quite the opposite. It is because of all the legal cases Trump faces, this one may be the hardest to prove.

This is where our stroll from indictment to conviction gets even thornier. First, proving Trump had any sort of intent is always tricky. He doesn’t leave many smoking guns lying around. He doesn’t send emails or texts.

And, of course, there’s the not entirely insignificant matter that one of Bragg’s key witnesses, Cohen, is a convicted felon. Trump would no doubt try to paint him as a witness lacking in credibility who lied before and will lie again.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
the part I found especially especial was the thing about Biden wishing to avoid the trials dominating the headlines. Projection, perhaps.
You mean when XT said this?

"Then there's the fact that even if an indictment is returned the Prosecutor might not even proceed. Hell, it's likely that the Biden administration is pressuring the DA not to do anything. The last thing Biden wants is some trump trial dominating the airwaves 24/7 for the next..."

It's completely opposite of reality. Biden can only benefit from a Trump trial dominating the airwaves. What a terrible look for Trump and MAGA Republicans.

Also, lol at the statute of limitations claim. Do those two think the NY DA is a complete idiot and "forgot" to do the arithmetic? I will give them that, they can subtract 2016 from 2023 and arrive at the number 7.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
You mean when XT said this?

"Then there's the fact that even if an indictment is returned the Prosecutor might not even proceed. Hell, it's likely that the Biden administration is pressuring the DA not to do anything. The last thing Biden wants is some trump trial dominating the airwaves 24/7 for the next..."

It's completely opposite of reality. Biden can only benefit from a Trump trial dominating the airwaves. What a terrible look for Trump and MAGA Republicans.

Also, lol at the statute of limitations claim. Do those two think the NY DA is a complete idiot and "forgot" to do the arithmetic? I will give them that, they can subtract 2016 from 2023 and arrive at the number 7.
Ikr!?
 

CunningCanuk

Well-Known Member
Jack or Garland is watching, and they might end up indicting them, if they step over the line and they are not too bright, just like their base.


McCarthy & Jordan attempt to shut down NY DA Alvin Bragg's criminal investigation of Donald Trump

10,762 views Mar 20, 2023 #TeamJustice
In a dramatic and transparent abuse of power, Representatives Kevin McCarthy, Jim Jordan and others attempt to interfere in New York District Attorney Alvin Bragg's criminal investigation of Donald Trump. This represents a gross abuse of congressional power, a potential violation of the 10th Amendment (as this is NOT a power delegated to the federal government), and it may also constitute the crime of obstruction of justice. But we can expect more of this abuse of power by McCarthy and company if law enforcement authorities decline to hold McCarthy and Jordan accountable for these abuses.
He’s right, they all need to be locked up.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
He’s right, they all need to be locked up.
He knows his business and reflects the opinion of much of the legal community and the people in the DOJ, he also teaches law in his retirement and is a talking head on TV. If he was talking out of his ass, he would need to defend himself from other lawyers on TV and the debate would be on.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Those are opinions. I can post those too. Here's one from MSNBC. I'm posting a site that you don't have to pay to read the article. But I'll still cherry pick specific pieces to make my point like you did.

Why New York's Trump indictment is so risky (msnbc.com)

That’s why, for some of Trump’s biggest critics, the prospect of an indictment related to the Daniels case leads to little but existential dread. That’s not because the facts show Trump engaged in no wrongdoing; quite the opposite. It is because of all the legal cases Trump faces, this one may be the hardest to prove.

This is where our stroll from indictment to conviction gets even thornier. First, proving Trump had any sort of intent is always tricky. He doesn’t leave many smoking guns lying around. He doesn’t send emails or texts.

And, of course, there’s the not entirely insignificant matter that one of Bragg’s key witnesses, Cohen, is a convicted felon. Trump would no doubt try to paint him as a witness lacking in credibility who lied before and will lie again.
You forgot to mention the statute of limitations. lulz.

The NYT article was facts-based, not an opinion piece. You should know the difference.

In the "cons" section, the NYT said about the same as what you posted here.
 

xtsho

Well-Known Member
You mean when XT said this?

"Then there's the fact that even if an indictment is returned the Prosecutor might not even proceed. Hell, it's likely that the Biden administration is pressuring the DA not to do anything. The last thing Biden wants is some trump trial dominating the airwaves 24/7 for the next..."

It's completely opposite of reality. Biden can only benefit from a Trump trial dominating the airwaves. What a terrible look for Trump and MAGA Republicans.

Also, lol at the statute of limitations claim. Do those two think the NY DA is a complete idiot and "forgot" to do the arithmetic? I will give them that, they can subtract 2016 from 2023 and arrive at the number 7.
Wow.

Do you actually think that Biden want the airwaves dominated 24/7 by a trump trial in NY? That's the last thing he wants. Biden wants trump in the game because he can beat trump in 2024. He could very well lose to a ron desantis. If trump is too occupied with a trial he won't be able to devote all of his time to winning the GOP primary leaving the door open for a challenger to win that Biden could lose to.

Some of you have been going on about trump being locked up for at least 2 years. Tomorrow! No next Week, month year. Now it's tomorrow again. Well we're still waiting. It's like when I was growing up a Jehovah's Witness. Armageddon was always coming. That was back in the 70's so it's been 5 decades. I'm still waiting for Armageddon.

If I'm wrong and trump does happen to be indicted I'll be happy but I just don't see it happening anytime soon.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
These comments are hilariously incorrect. It’s easy to see who has hatred for someone without knowing the facts. The only facts to know is they are outside the statutes of limitations. Misdemeanor 2 years and 5 years for felony. This is purely political and he will be boosted in the polls from this because it will rally his base. It will also open the doors to go after Biden since we’re arresting presidents.
He can sell his mugshot as an NFT to his suckers, even though it will be all over the internet and TV. Once Donald's mystic of invincibility has been pierced, the illusion will burst like a bubble. That's what made him so appealing to the base, that illusion of invulnerability the Teflon Don projected to the weak minded.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
If I thought it made any difference, I would have an array of small crude effigies of certain legislators with sharp things driven into their guts.

To me it is like watching a sporting event, or a kind of war between good and evil, but I also have skin in the game, or at the very least would get some shit on me and my country if shit exploded in America. So, it's entertaining like a high stake's poker game where ya chipped in on the pot and the other side is cheating and already caught dealing from the bottom of the deck. I can't do anything but watch, like most Americans.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
He can sell his mugshot as an NFT to his suckers, even though it will be all over the internet and TV. Once Donald's mystic of invincibility has been pierced, the illusion will burst like a bubble. That's what made him so appealing to the base, that illusion of invulnerability the Teflon Don projected to the weak minded.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Panic as the walls close in, it's what happens when you ignore reality, it catches up to you and bitch slaps ya really fucking hard! :lol:


‘Panic’: Trump melting down over imminent ‘arrest’ says star witness Cohen

3,297 views Mar 20, 2023 #msnbc #trump #michaelcohen
Michael Cohen appears on “The Beat” moments after Trump ally Bob Costello testifies before a New York grand jury and speaks about it in a press conference. Cohen responds to Costello, shredding his claims and also responds to Trump defense lawyer Joe Tacopina’s hush money defense. Cohen, who is Trump’s former personal lawyer says Trump predicting his own indictment is “panic and fear” because “he knows what's coming down the pipe.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
To me it is like watching a sporting event, or a kind of war between good and evil, but I also have skin in the game, or at the very least would get some shit on me and my country if shit exploded in America. So, it's entertaining like a high stake's poker game where ya chipped in on the pot and the other side is cheating and already caught dealing from the bottom of the deck. I can't do anything but watch, like most Americans.
It’s an arresting sight.

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