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OldMedUser

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Russia-Based Recruiters Lure Cubans to Fight in Ukraine with Promises of Money, Citizenship
Russia-based recruiters are targeting Cuban nationals online for the war in Ukraine, promising them lucrative military contracts, help with relocating to Russia and even citizenship for them and their families, according to an investigation by The Moscow Times’ Russian service.
In a rare accusation against longtime ally Moscow, Cuban authorities announced Tuesday that they had identified an alleged human trafficking ring aimed at recruiting its citizens to fight for Russia in Ukraine.

The Moscow Times’ Russian service found several social media groups in which Cuban men are recruited to fight in Ukraine.
In one Facebook group called Cubanos en Moscú (Cubans of Moscow), the majority of posts advertising military contract service in Russia were created by a woman named Elena Shuvalova.

Shuvalova writes that Cuban citizens can sign one-year contracts with the Russian army, offering a monthly income of 204,000 rubles ($2,090). A recruit can also receive Russian citizenship for himself and his family.

The posts note that even someone with an expired or missing passport can sign up — they just need to provide a photo and immigration letter.
Shuvalova confirmed in a conversation with The Moscow Times that she can help foreigners in Russia, including undocumented immigrants, sign a contract with the military.
“If you don’t have a passport, but you have a photo, then that’s already good. But even if you don’t have a photo, we can sign [a contract],” she said.
Shuvalova, who speaks Spanish, added that she has already facilitated several Cubans’ journeys to the front in Ukraine.
“[Contractors] earn an income, and a rather good one at that. Everyone wants to immediately rent a luxury apartment. But if necessary, in the first couple of weeks before the paycheck comes in, we can help move the family in somewhere and feed them.”

Shuvalova said that helps prospective recruits for free. When asked whether she works for the Russian Defense Ministry, she declined to answer.
One member of the Cubanos en Moscú Facebook group, who posted photos of himself dressed in Russian military fatigues, said that Shuvalova was his point of contact in joining up to fight in Ukraine.

“Daily payments without commission, [and] the company takes care of the visa issues,” he wrote.
Shuvalova also shares recruitment advertisements for foreigners on the popular Russian social media website VKontakte.
In her profile on that website, photos accompanied by the pro-war Z symbol suggest that she is a supporter of Moscow’s invasion of Ukraine. Likewise, a number of groups that she is subscribed to indicate that she lives in central Russia’s Ryazan region.

In May, a local news outlet in the Ryazan region published photos of several Cubans who went to fight in Ukraine. The men expressed hope of receiving Russian citizenship.
Two Cuban men who spoke on condition of anonymity told The Moscow Times they were looking to serve in the Russian military, but were still waiting on a response from army recruiters.

“I know that they pay very well, and it’s a great way to make a lot of money quickly,” one of the men said.
“They pay a lot, and I need the money. I’ll probably later stay in Russia,” added the other.
A Spanish translator who works closely with Russia’s Cuban diaspora confirmed that the military had been recruiting men from Cuba.
“A lot of young guys come straight from Cuba to earn money here. They’re not local Cubans. They don’t stay in Moscow — they sign contracts right away and then go off to fight,” the translator said.
“And then they disappear. Their relatives try to find them through the Cuban diaspora or social media. But we don’t have anything to do with this. Most likely, they’ve been killed.”

Cuba is among a small group of countries that have maintained close ties with Russia following the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.
In fall 2022, President Vladimir Putin signed an order lowering the minimum length of contract military service for foreigners from five years to just one year. At the same time, foreigners who signed a contract with the Defense Ministry were offered fast-track citizenship.

According to British intelligence, Russian authorities have recently doubled efforts to recruit citizens of neighboring countries to fight in Ukraine.
Analysts said that online ads appeared in Armenia and Kazakhstan with an offer to enter contract service in the Russian army at the end of June. So-called “volunteers” were promised a one-time payment of 495,000 rubles ($5,050) and a monthly salary of 190,000 rubles ($1,940).
A senior officer in the Russian military who spoke on condition of anonymity told The Moscow Times’ Russian service that he was shocked by the number of internationally recruited battalions fighting in Ukraine.

“There were Cubans, there were Serbs. They speak Russian poorly, and that’s not the only issue. It’s unclear how to work with them,” the officer said.
“And they’re not [from] some kind of private military companies. They’re all contracted with the Defense Ministry,” he added.
Experts have cast doubt on the role that foreign fighters play in the Russian army, however.

According to Russian military expert Pavel Luzin, authorities reduced the minimum contract term to a year with the expectation that it would attract significantly more foreign citizens to serve in the Russian army — but little changed in reality.
"[There are definitely] not tens of thousands [of foreign military personnel]," Luzin said.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/09/05/russian-recruiters-lure-cubans-to-fight-in-ukraine-with-promises-of-money-citizenship-a82360
Sounds like time for the US to sanction Cuba! Oh . . . wait.

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DIY-HP-LED

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He also has a place for his family to live, since they got them out first, where Russian is spoken and there is a Slavic culture, he can feel at home in. I think after the war a lot of Russians will end up in Ukraine looking for work and a better life, it will be politics and attitude that determine if they get in and stay. Ukraine promotes the Ukrainian language which is very close to Russian in structure and vocabulary, but everybody in Ukraine speaks Russian or so the locals say, a legacy of the USSR. Ukraine will show the way forward for the Slavic world and become the cultural leader, not Russia, they will show a better way by their example and post war prosperity. That's one thing the EU and America wants and will make sure of, a prosperous post war Ukraine, like a prosperous west Germany during the cold war. It's what Vald and his buddies dread, a prosperous Ukraine shining just over the border broadcasting the good life to most of European Russia, in Russian with directed broadcasts. It won't take long for the contrast to emerge between a rich free Ukraine and a shithole Russia headed for a North Korean existence. It will end up like South and North Korea, one living the dream and the other living like shit.

 

cannabineer

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He also has a place for his family to live, since they got them out first, where Russian is spoken and there is a Slavic culture, he can feel at home in. I think after the war a lot of Russians will end up in Ukraine looking for work and a better life, it will be politics and attitude that determine if they get in and stay. Ukraine promotes the Ukrainian language which is very close to Russian in structure and vocabulary, but everybody in Ukraine speaks Russian or so the locals say, a legacy of the USSR. Ukraine will show the way forward for the Slavic world and become the cultural leader, not Russia, they will show a better way by their example and post war prosperity. That's one thing the EU and America wants and will make sure of, a prosperous post war Ukraine, like a prosperous west Germany during the cold war. It's what Vald and his buddies dread, a prosperous Ukraine shining just over the border broadcasting the good life to most of European Russia, in Russian with directed broadcasts. It won't take long for the contrast to emerge between a rich free Ukraine and a shithole Russia headed for a North Korean existence. It will end up like South and North Korea, one living the dream and the other living like shit.

He really should not have taken his two uninformed crewmates to their deaths.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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He really should not have taken his two uninformed crewmates to their deaths.
I think they had some choice in that but had to think quick and not point guns at overwhelming force. He probably had no choice since his family was moving and his life was on the line. I'm in no position to judge him.
 

cannabineer

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Mine too but then they put up an armed resistance and had to be terminated. According to 'sources'.

It's war and hard choices have to be made. I think I would have done the same to save my family and myself.

Who are we to judge.

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I can’t be sure, but with two guys with rifles, termination is not necessarily the only option. They could have been cornered and captured once they ran out of a small supply of rounds.

So “had to” is the other part of this story that sits poorly with me.

Either way, that pilot de facto murdered his crewmates.
 

printer

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I can’t be sure, but with two guys with rifles, termination is not necessarily the only option. They could have been cornered and captured once they ran out of a small supply of rounds.

So “had to” is the other part of this story that sits poorly with me.

Either way, that pilot de facto murdered his crewmates.
I read the two shot the pilot, sadly not sure where now. Was not something I thought I would care about. If the two had a chance of putting their arms up when realizing they were deep behind enemy lines then they would be alive today.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I read the two shot the pilot, sadly not sure where now. Was not something I thought I would care about. If the two had a chance of putting their arms up when realizing they were deep behind enemy lines then they would be alive today.
If they did, they did a poor job. According to a Ukrainian intelligence officer, the pilot was debriefed after his crew was killed. Not sure I trust the spook.
 

bursto

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problem was they needed him to land if he wears a vest all good, there will be a movie on it next year probably
 
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doublejj

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thats what i heard, they must be poor shots if the guy is still ok he would have to of told the ukrainians so they knew not to take it down
imagine the look on Vlads face when he found out and saw them playing with their new toy
The other 2 could have defected after landing and this is just a cover story until they can get their families out of russia. I haven't seen any bodies yet. A 3 way split of 1/2million $$'s is still a lot of money to get you started over again in a free country...
 

printer

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Something I have been wondering about, the Russians have been losing a lot of artillery pieces close to the front line by drones. About ten minutes discussing this with the reasoning of the barrels being worn out. As they wear they lose accuracy. To compensate for this you use a reduced charge (from what I understand) and given the same spread angle but reduced range you are less off your target. Also earlier in the vid, the Russians are loosing more non-military vehicles now suggesting they are running out of equipment.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Something I have been wondering about, the Russians have been losing a lot of artillery pieces close to the front line by drones. About ten minutes discussing this with the reasoning of the barrels being worn out. As they wear they lose accuracy. To compensate for this you use a reduced charge (from what I understand) and given the same spread angle but reduced range you are less off your target. Also earlier in the vid, the Russians are loosing more non-military vehicles now suggesting they are running out of equipment.

The Russians have been losing between 25 and 30 artillery pieces a day since they began their offensive the Ukrainians say. If true, that would mean they are losing 250 to 300 guns every 10 days, up to 900 guns a month. Would they have a chance to be worn out! It does not appear the Russians have not been refurbishing their guns after the round limit, but the Ukrainians are sending their western stuff back for relining regularly to maintain high accuracy. Perhaps in some cases the Ukrainians are moving towards the guns, getting with in drone range and they lack the transport to move them.

However, if you can get the operators antenna up high enough and use a directional antenna, an FPV quadcopter drone can go to the limits of its battery power range and most appear to be using regular lipos.
 

BudmanTX

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