The Long March to 11/24

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Gary, Im moving this here. It’s off-topic in the Canada thread.

Yes, you may be correct, time will tell.

Our country (assuming you are an American) is in a downward fall and I’m all for unity and a government we can rely on.

There are a multitude of voters that think Biden is too old to handle another 4 years of running the country. This includes several democrats including Congressman Dean Phillips from Minnesota, the 54 year old millionaire and Dean Phillips, a three-term U.S. Representative, also from Minnesota. Both men have been critical of Joe Biden’s bid.

We need to find a Democrat that will fulfill that bill, otherwise there will be a Republican running the country. Do you have any suggestions? I'm asking this with all due respect.
Answered with equal respect: Joe Biden backed by a Congress swept of the treason caucus, and maga in general.

Most of the criticism against Biden has its direct cause in the Republican contingent throwing wrenches into the legislative works, and then loudly blaming Biden, the Democrats, and frivolities like Bud Light. (An excellent example is laying the price of gas at Biden’s feet. More accurately that blame falls on the predecessor and his disastrous foreign policy that emboldened the Saudis, Iranians and Russians* to f*** with oil prices and back or execute wars whose global drag on economies is severe.)

With more Democrats (or possibly some moderate Republicans, but the WWF lists them as feared extinct) to soundly disable the far right’s program to break stuff, Biden and the executive branch could soar to heights not seen since Roosevelt no. 2 or perhaps Kennedy.

*honorable mention to China, for destabilizing both the western Pacific and for strongarming commodity prices, notably rare earths, lithium and now graphite.

The Chinese were also emboldened by clown-shoes foreign policy that the current administration is having trouble containing for the usual reason: obstruction in Congress by a party that has derelicted its primary duty of governance in favor of big lie histrionics.

So my considered opinion is: housecleaning. Give the progressives an honest shot at returning America to the people, not just the white straight Christian males who are running the culture war out of the realistic dread fear that they are becoming a political and cultural minority.

Republicans desperately want power, and are implementing anything they can to subvert the Constitution and establish authoritarian minority rule. Because they are a minority and cannot win an honest election.
Democrats want to heal America and inject some badly-needed social democracy into the mix.

Tax the rich and feed, house and school the poor and unpopular.

And for Pete’s sake abandon the failed “small government, supply-side economics” experiment that is giving us a wealth gap ordinarily associated with those massively corrupt nations in Africa and elsewhere that have a president-for-life and the death penalty for sexual honesty.

Our current status quo is “one dollar; one vote”. And billionaires are notoriously fascistic. (They are also fond of manipulating at the highest levels. See Thomas/Crow and Alito/Leo.) The republic has a (!)load of work to do to start heading back to “one person; one vote”, and job 1 is to repeal Citizens United.
 
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printer

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And yet she calls that man a friend. That disqualifies her on two different levels.

Despicable opportunist.
But can you not say the same for half the politicians? When she resigned from the UN I thought she was going to be the GOP candidate at some point. She is reasonably bright and while opportunistic I do not see many other politicians checking off the boxes she can. Biden could, if he was even ten years younger we might be seeing different numbers.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
But can you not say the same for half the politicians? When she resigned from the UN I thought she was going to be the GOP candidate at some point. She is reasonably bright and while opportunistic I do not see many other politicians checking off the boxes she can. Biden could, if he was even ten years younger we might be seeing different numbers.
How did she vote on that Russian asset’s two impeachments?

(0 for 2 iirc)

that’s the difference between a comparatively trustworthy pol and her.

She’s a weathervane.

 

printer

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How did she vote on that Russian asset’s two impeachments?

(0 for 2 iirc)

that’s the difference between a comparatively trustworthy pol and her.

She’s a weathervane.

But how many others voted the same way she did? Not like she is an outlier. I think she is above the rest of the wanabee's in terms of seeing a little of the sky through the clouds. She knows that the US can just abandon the rest of the world. I would rather see Christie if you had to have a Republican get in but I do not see him doing it. She seems the best of the bunch.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
But how many others voted the same way she did? Not like she is an outlier. I think she is above the rest of the wanabee's in terms of seeing a little of the sky through the clouds. She knows that the US can just abandon the rest of the world. I would rather see Christie if you had to have a Republican get in but I do not see him doing it. She seems the best of the bunch.
I assign zero value to “but the others did it”. They all fail the fitness test. I don’t think a maga (and that includes one with a dubious and convenient change of politics) will draw many votes from Biden.

Especially when any adult capable of getting dressed every morning unassisted contemplates the grim prospect of a Republican congress under a Republican administration. The best crocodile is still gonna be a croc.

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printer

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We all know it, some people have no clue how to share with others. So much for walking in another man's shoes.

GOP voters like Trump because he won’t compromise: Pew poll
Trump-supporting Republicans are less likely than voters who support other GOP presidential candidates to favor political compromise on issues, according to a new poll Pew Research Center published Thursday.

About 63 percent of former President Trump’s voters want their candidate to focus on pushing for GOP policy in office rather than working with Democrats, more than supporters for any other GOP primary candidate.

Republican voters are split overall, with exactly half of respondents emphasizing compromise.

Among other GOP candidates, supporters of former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley support compromise the most, with 72 percent of respondents saying they want the GOP candidate to work across the aisle. Just over half of supporters for Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) back compromise over partisanship, the poll found.

Trump’s support makes up a significantly larger proportion of GOP voters than support for other candidates, as the former president holds a wide lead in national primary polls. Trump holds a 51-point lead over DeSantis and Haley, who are about tied at 11 percent support, according to The Hill/Decision Desk HQ primary polling average.

Two thirds of GOP voters polled in the Pew survey said they believe the primary won’t even be close. Just over half, 56 percent, of respondents sad they find the campaign dull.

The poll comes just a month before the Iowa caucus, the first vote of the presidential primary season. Trump holds a smaller, but still significant, lead over rivals in the Hawkeye State, according to The Hill/Decision Desk HQ primary polling average.

Trump takes about 50 percent support in Iowa, while DeSantis and Haley trail with 19 and 17 percent support, respectively.

The Pew poll surveyed about 5,200 people between late November and early December, with a margin of error of 1.8 percent.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
We all know it, some people have no clue how to share with others. So much for walking in another man's shoes.

GOP voters like Trump because he won’t compromise: Pew poll
Trump-supporting Republicans are less likely than voters who support other GOP presidential candidates to favor political compromise on issues, according to a new poll Pew Research Center published Thursday.

About 63 percent of former President Trump’s voters want their candidate to focus on pushing for GOP policy in office rather than working with Democrats, more than supporters for any other GOP primary candidate.

Republican voters are split overall, with exactly half of respondents emphasizing compromise.

Among other GOP candidates, supporters of former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley support compromise the most, with 72 percent of respondents saying they want the GOP candidate to work across the aisle. Just over half of supporters for Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-Fla.) back compromise over partisanship, the poll found.

Trump’s support makes up a significantly larger proportion of GOP voters than support for other candidates, as the former president holds a wide lead in national primary polls. Trump holds a 51-point lead over DeSantis and Haley, who are about tied at 11 percent support, according to The Hill/Decision Desk HQ primary polling average.

Two thirds of GOP voters polled in the Pew survey said they believe the primary won’t even be close. Just over half, 56 percent, of respondents sad they find the campaign dull.

The poll comes just a month before the Iowa caucus, the first vote of the presidential primary season. Trump holds a smaller, but still significant, lead over rivals in the Hawkeye State, according to The Hill/Decision Desk HQ primary polling average.

Trump takes about 50 percent support in Iowa, while DeSantis and Haley trail with 19 and 17 percent support, respectively.

The Pew poll surveyed about 5,200 people between late November and early December, with a margin of error of 1.8 percent.
and that’s why we simply must outvote them.
 

printer

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Well there goes one of his election planks.
Congress approves bill barring any president from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO
Congress has approved legislation that would prevent any president from withdrawing the United States from NATO without approval from the Senate or an Act of Congress.

The measure, spearheaded by Sens. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), was included in the annual National Defense Authorization Act, which passed out of the House on Thursday and is expected to be signed by President Biden.

The provision underscores Congress’s commitment to the NATO alliance that was a target of former President Trump’s ire during his term in office. The alliance has taken on revitalized importance under Biden, especially since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

“NATO has held strong in response to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin’s war in Ukraine and rising challenges around the world,” Kaine said in a statement. He added the legislation “reaffirms U.S. support for this crucial alliance that is foundational for our national security. It also sends a strong message to authoritarians around the world that the free world remains united.”

Rubio said the measure served as a critical tool for congressional oversight.

“We must ensure we are protecting our national interests and protecting the security of our democratic allies,” he said in a statement.

Biden has invested deeply in the NATO alliance during his term, committing more troops and military resources to Europe as a show of force against Putin’s war. He has also overseen the expansion of the alliance with the inclusion of Finland and ongoing efforts to secure Sweden’s full accession.

Trump, the front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination, has sent mixed messages on the alliance ahead of 2024. The former president’s advocates say his tough talk and criticisms of the alliance served to inspire member-states to fulfill their obligations to reach 2 percent of defense spending, lightening the burden on the U.S.

But Trump’s critics say the former president’s rhetoric weakens the unity and force of purpose of the alliance. And they expressed concerns that Trump would abandon the U.S. commitment to the mutual defense pact of the alliance or withdraw the U.S. completely.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I know you can in a fair fight. But with Republican Gerrymandering and cheating the numbers may not mater. "sometimes the vote counter is more important than the candidate" - Donald Trump
That reminds me of a quote controversially attributed to Stalin.

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The gerrymandering thing is a lasting stain on how we do democratic government. Only reason it has lasted so long is because its backers have too much use for it in upholding minority rule.
 

CCGNZ

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Well there goes one of his election planks.
Congress approves bill barring any president from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO
Congress has approved legislation that would prevent any president from withdrawing the United States from NATO without approval from the Senate or an Act of Congress.

The measure, spearheaded by Sens. Tim Kaine (D-Va.) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), was included in the annual National Defense Authorization Act, which passed out of the House on Thursday and is expected to be signed by President Biden.

The provision underscores Congress’s commitment to the NATO alliance that was a target of former President Trump’s ire during his term in office. The alliance has taken on revitalized importance under Biden, especially since Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022.

“NATO has held strong in response to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin’s war in Ukraine and rising challenges around the world,” Kaine said in a statement. He added the legislation “reaffirms U.S. support for this crucial alliance that is foundational for our national security. It also sends a strong message to authoritarians around the world that the free world remains united.”

Rubio said the measure served as a critical tool for congressional oversight.

“We must ensure we are protecting our national interests and protecting the security of our democratic allies,” he said in a statement.

Biden has invested deeply in the NATO alliance during his term, committing more troops and military resources to Europe as a show of force against Putin’s war. He has also overseen the expansion of the alliance with the inclusion of Finland and ongoing efforts to secure Sweden’s full accession.

Trump, the front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination, has sent mixed messages on the alliance ahead of 2024. The former president’s advocates say his tough talk and criticisms of the alliance served to inspire member-states to fulfill their obligations to reach 2 percent of defense spending, lightening the burden on the U.S.

But Trump’s critics say the former president’s rhetoric weakens the unity and force of purpose of the alliance. And they expressed concerns that Trump would abandon the U.S. commitment to the mutual defense pact of the alliance or withdraw the U.S. completely.
Finally,some meaningful legislation,we can't have foreign policy 180's from one administration to another,if so the commitment of the US is meaningless concerning treaties and the like.
 

Bagginski

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The conversation has turned to polling again, I see…
Here’s an interview with Simon Rosenberg, who is well-versed on the subject - and had a better handle on the ‘22 midterms than almost anyone else

There’s also a link to the podcast conversation where he goes into more detail about partisan polls & polling

 

Fogdog

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The conversation has turned to polling again, I see…
Here’s an interview with Simon Rosenberg, who is well-versed on the subject - and had a better handle on the ‘22 midterms than almost anyone else

There’s also a link to the podcast conversation where he goes into more detail about partisan polls & polling

Thanks for this. From what Simon said, most polls put out today come from Republican polling agencies who have been wrong for at least 8 years and they have become more inaccurate with every election cycle.

I can't speak for areas that are red as a bad rash but his view regarding the state of the Republican party and the reasons he gives for its decline into minority status is spot on in Oregon.

Simon's website and more of his podcasts can be found here: https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/
 

CCGNZ

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Thanks for this. From what Simon said, most polls put out today come from Republican polling agencies who have been wrong for at least 8 years and they have become more inaccurate with every election cycle.

I can't speak for areas that are red as a bad rash but his view regarding the state of the Republican party and the reasons he gives for its decline into minority status is spot on in Oregon.

Simon's website and more of his podcasts can be found here: https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/
Sure hope "Simon says" applies,know we're away off from 2024 and Biden has risen from ashes before, but feelin bad vibes and seein dark clouds,still time but can't help a forboding feeling either way actually,Mr. Orange Win/Loss,will bring chaos reminiscent of that fateful Jan.,the mere thought of this dick being victorious is a road that my mind slams the door on,and what kind of carnage will his minions impose following a defeat,another thought to ponder.
 

Fogdog

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Sure hope "Simon says" applies,know we're away off from 2024 and Biden has risen from ashes before, but feelin bad vibes and seein dark clouds,still time but can't help a forboding feeling either way actually,Mr. Orange Win/Loss,will bring chaos reminiscent of that fateful Jan.,the mere thought of this dick being victorious is a road that my mind slams the door on,and what kind of carnage will his minions impose following a defeat,another thought to ponder.
His minions are mostly old men who have seen thousands go to jail for what they tried to do on Jan 6. They are keyboard warriors. The police in this country are a bastion of fascism, look for the threat to come from there. The youth of this country aren't a monolith, there are plenty of fascist minded bros out there but most post-millennial generation seem more aggravated that the government isn't doing enough as opposed to too much.

I think AOC and her allies are ascendant. Demographics are moving this country into a mufti-cultural democracy. This is radically different from what the country has been for its first 250 years, so of course there is a backlash, which Mr. Orange represents. We just need to keep this democracy safe from Mr Orange and his crowd for a few more years. If what Simon said is true about the upcoming election and actual sentiment rather than what the big Orange machine is polling, the worst is over. Not that it is over. We've only half=won and need to finish the job. This is not the time for complacency. But as Simon said, I'd rather hove our problems than theirs.
 

CCGNZ

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His minions are mostly old men who have seen thousands go to jail for what they tried to do on Jan 6. They are keyboard warriors. The police in this country are a bastion of fascism, look for the threat to come from there. The youth of this country aren't a monolith, there are plenty of fascist minded bros out there but most post-millennial generation seem more aggravated that the government isn't doing enough as opposed to too much.

I think AOC and her allies are ascendant. Demographics are moving this country into a mufti-cultural democracy. This is radically different from what the country has been for its first 250 years, so of course there is a backlash, which Mr. Orange represents. We just need to keep this democracy safe from Mr Orange and his crowd for a few more years. If what Simon said is true about the upcoming election and actual sentiment rather than what the big Orange machine is polling, the worst is over. Not that it is over. We've only half=won and need to finish the job. This is not the time for complacency. But as Simon said, I'd rather hove our problems than theirs.
Sounds good, I've always said what makes the US unique is that every ethnic group has models of success here,it's what makes our country endearing as well as a great source of karma.
 

printer

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In a way, this is encouraging. A Repug seeking to put the divided nature of their party on the ballot. With some intelligent campaigning, the more sensible majority can turn this into a warning label.

Why not put a picture of Jesus next to his name?
 
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