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BudmanTX
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Nice..i like good news too...interesting plug..huh lol
printer
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He has been at it for a while, got to make a living.
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Czechs refuse to attend UN security council meeting called by Russia
The Czech Republic is refusing to attend an emergency United Nations Security Council meeting that was called by Russia, arguing Moscow was responsible for the nearly two-year war in Ukraine.
“We refuse to be summoned anywhere by Russia. Czechia will not serve the lie-poisoned propaganda of the aggressor,” Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavsky wrote in a post on X, the social media site formerly known as Twitter.
“When Russia wants to discuss the withdrawal of its occupying troops at the Security Council, we will be happy to come,” he wrote, referring to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
Dmitry Polyanskiy, Russia’s first deputy permanent representative to the U.N., had announced in a social media post Saturday that Russia would be calling an emergency U.N. Security Council meeting after the Russian city of Belgorod was attacked by Ukraine.
Local officials reported 21 people were killed in the shelling of the city on Saturday, The Associated Press (AP) reported.
“This crime will not go unpunished,” the ministry said in a statement, according to the AP.
Fighting has between Russia and Ukraine has stepped up in recent days with Russia launching the largest aerial attack on Ukraine in the war late last week.
The Russian Defense Ministry accused Kyiv of launching the attack on Belgorod and said that Czech-made Vampire rockets and Olkha missiles were used to carry it out — a claim that the AP said it could not verify. The wire service also noted that this was one of the deadliest attacks on Russian soil since the start of the war in Ukraine.
“We also insist on the presence of Czech PR to the UN to explain why this country’s ammunition is being used for killing civilians in Belgorod,” Polyanskiy wrote on X.
The AP reported at another 110 people were injured in the strike on Belgorod, which came just one day after Russia launched 122 missiles at Ukraine and killed at least 41 people. Ukraine, which is in its 22ndd month of battling Russian aggressors, said that Russian’s attack last week was the “most massive aerial attack” since the war broke out.
Czechia and other countries in Eastern Europe were under control of the former. Soviet Union for decades following the end of World War II.
thehill.com
The Russians are saying Czech equipment was fired at Belgorod but video evidence shows it was Russian air defense.
The Czech Republic is refusing to attend an emergency United Nations Security Council meeting that was called by Russia, arguing Moscow was responsible for the nearly two-year war in Ukraine.
“We refuse to be summoned anywhere by Russia. Czechia will not serve the lie-poisoned propaganda of the aggressor,” Czech Foreign Minister Jan Lipavsky wrote in a post on X, the social media site formerly known as Twitter.
“When Russia wants to discuss the withdrawal of its occupying troops at the Security Council, we will be happy to come,” he wrote, referring to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
Dmitry Polyanskiy, Russia’s first deputy permanent representative to the U.N., had announced in a social media post Saturday that Russia would be calling an emergency U.N. Security Council meeting after the Russian city of Belgorod was attacked by Ukraine.
Local officials reported 21 people were killed in the shelling of the city on Saturday, The Associated Press (AP) reported.
“This crime will not go unpunished,” the ministry said in a statement, according to the AP.
Fighting has between Russia and Ukraine has stepped up in recent days with Russia launching the largest aerial attack on Ukraine in the war late last week.
The Russian Defense Ministry accused Kyiv of launching the attack on Belgorod and said that Czech-made Vampire rockets and Olkha missiles were used to carry it out — a claim that the AP said it could not verify. The wire service also noted that this was one of the deadliest attacks on Russian soil since the start of the war in Ukraine.
“We also insist on the presence of Czech PR to the UN to explain why this country’s ammunition is being used for killing civilians in Belgorod,” Polyanskiy wrote on X.
The AP reported at another 110 people were injured in the strike on Belgorod, which came just one day after Russia launched 122 missiles at Ukraine and killed at least 41 people. Ukraine, which is in its 22ndd month of battling Russian aggressors, said that Russian’s attack last week was the “most massive aerial attack” since the war broke out.
Czechia and other countries in Eastern Europe were under control of the former. Soviet Union for decades following the end of World War II.
Czechs refuse to attend UN security council meeting called by Russia
The Czech Republic is refusing to attend an emergency United Nations Security Council meeting that was called by Russia, arguing Moscow was responsible for the nearly two-year war in Ukraine. “We r…
thehill.com
The Russians are saying Czech equipment was fired at Belgorod but video evidence shows it was Russian air defense.
DIY-HP-LED
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If Joe and the democrats win in 24, I would expect Vlad to be moving out of all of Ukraine shortly thereafter, he will know what is coming! I doubt he will stick around to take the punishment that will surely come his way if Biden wins with a democratic congress. I think Vlad's plans in Ukraine hinge on Trump's fate and we might even see him back off if Trump is disqualified and convicted over J6. Trump is behind the GOP opposition to Ukrainian aid and all the extreme right are pandering to him, he signaled them what he wanted them to do. Whether he is denning Biden a win in Ukraine or working for the Russians it makes no difference, it's the same old treason with Trump. Shut the government down, sow chaos, attack democracy, the justice system and the US military, anything to fool morons for power.
If Donald loses, Vlad loses, their fates are linked, and Uncle Sam will have his retribution on both in 24.
If Donald loses, Vlad loses, their fates are linked, and Uncle Sam will have his retribution on both in 24.
DIY-HP-LED
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If America does not aid Ukraine, it dramatically increases the likelihood of NATO involvement. If we don't want our people fighting the Russians and risking nuclear war, then they had better come through with some more aid, it's an investment not an expense. Xi is watching and if America turns its back on Ukraine he will be bolder with Tiawan. America's allies are watching too, not just in Europe but in Asia too, nobody likes to be stabbed in the back.
Let's talk about Russia, Ukraine, and a back and forth....
Let's talk about Russia, Ukraine, and a back and forth....
BudmanTX
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True, I did enjoy his commentary
Surely,at this point "in for a penny in for a pound",but the Ukrainian's have angered the US and Allies in a few instances in disregarding advice, which only increases skepticism,we advised against getting into a back/forth artillery duel WW1 style as this is not our military doctrine and we lack the ability production wise to sustain this type of combat. They HAVE to stop using expensive AA missiles vs. cheap Shaheed drones and only dedicate AAA to them,saving missiles to hit actual missiles.Finally they we're told it'd be best to concentrate ALL armor supplied last summer in one main thrust which they disregarded in favor of a multi-pronged attack that utterly failed. This in no way is meant to say that funding should stop and it's THEIR war to fight and THEY are the ones suffering, still when experienced advice is shunned it does rankle some feathers, bet they'd like to re-do the summer's offensive,it was the wise choice,if it worked easily then they'd imagine that a multi-front attack would have possibly accomplished more objectives,but success was still achieved. Having failed at a divided force option they can only wonder what a all in one main thrust attack would have accomplished. In other words I'd rather have success and be questioning if I could have achieved more,rather than pondering if I could have had success from a viewpoint of failure.
printer
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Where are they using expensive missiles to take out the Shaheeds? Maybe on high value targets that cost more than the missile or drone? Disregard advice like they are suppose to push on through at one area damn the losses to get into the backfield? Without taking out the Russian aviation? The US and Nato never were put in the same position. Where every tree line is a trench and the fields all mined. What you are describing is what the Russians have done, throw wave after wave against the Ukrainians. How well has that worked out for them this fall/winter?
cannabineer
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Pushing hard “all in” through many layers of mines would have stripped Ukraine of all its armor and much of its trained personnel.
The “we tried it your way” approach lasted for a few days before UA command switched tactics and began slowly chewing through the mountain of largely passive defenses. Until they did, losses were bad enough to surface in the big news outlets.
How war is fought evolves. Doctrine formed in last generation’s warfare in the Midde East is no longer a good fit for the Ukraine war.
The best thing the West can do is aggressively supply their troops with matériel. Not just the headline stuff like F-16s and Patriot. We have a great opportunity to develop and field defenses against “interstitial” but erosive weapons like Shaheds and small cheap drones. (And something that will engage Kh-22/32s! And perhaps the Backfires launching them at distance. Our navy would directly benefit.) They’ve shown cheap agile drone killing systems mounted on pickup trucks. Stuff like that in quantity would save Ukrainian lives on and behind the lines imo.
DIY-HP-LED
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Let's talk about what Biden said about Ukraine and Russia....
I've already said that no air support was crazy and NATO would never advance that way,but if your going to go and they bravely did,maybe a massed assault would have proved more effective,we already know in hindsight that the multiple point attack was pretty much fruitless,possibly some subterfuge and feignting could be done with a massed attack.Our generals advised the scenario I put forth,no arm-chair generalship on my part as for the Shaheeds,it's cost effective for Russia and likely considered a win when a million dollar AA missile is expended to take out one of those Iranian made flying shit boxes powered by a moped engine being countered by a Raytheon produced piece of technology.
printer
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You do realize that the attacks along the line were probing attacks where they were looking for the place to pour resources through? Once the Ukrainians figured out a full mechanized attack was suicidal they changed tactics to hit the logistics instead. The attacks along the line then were mostly fixing attacks to keep the Russians from moving troops from a lower intensity section to a higher one. The Ukrainians also fought the Russians where the loss ratio greatly outnumbered the Ukrainian's. On hindsight the Ukrainians made a mistake and rather than at the Surovikin Line. they should have went through Bakhmut. There was not a great deal of fortifications built up as when the Russians moved forward they did not have the time to build up the area.
On the $1B missile, is it worth taking out a drone if the target was a fighter? How about a room full of children? The Russians may also see that the cost ratio of sending their troops into battle in armoured vehicles being very poor as a couple thousand dollar drone can take them out. I am pretty sure that the Ukrainians have drawn up a list of resources and targets where the limited resources then gets allocated. I really do not think they are stupid people and that they know more of what and where their needs are.
All I mean is that Russia can throw more of the Iranian drones in the air than AA missiles can be supplied,inevitably flooding tactics to exhaust the supply will occur, the slow speed of the Shaheed can be detected by radar operators and missiles used on them only as last resort otherwise tripleA (fixed or mobile) should be the method of choice whenever possible. I did not imply that the powers that be in Ukraine are stupid,as for Putin,he has "no value" for the troops he throws into battle to consume the opponents ammo,seems like Russia suffers 2,3,4,5 times the casualties in all the wars it's been in historically,a Russian soldier's life is treated as a commodity dating back to Czars.
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The missile/drone moved 14 floors in one second, a floor is about 14', so 200'. 200 x 60 = 12,000 ft/minute, converted to 8,000 mph. Could easily be off by 50%, the path of the missile is farther away than the apt block, the video only shows one second increments. Even with the errors it seems to be a missile rather than a drone at these speeds, also not falling debris. Russia aiming for apartment buildings again?
BudmanTX
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nice idea with the naval drones, and adding the Brimstone would be a nice touch......
BudmanTX
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russia would say it was a bunker of some sort
DIY-HP-LED
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A lot of drones are taken out by radar directed guns on the back of light trucks and other such systems, AA missiles are usually reserved for missiles when they can tell the difference. Attacks come in waves to overwhelm layered AA defenses and the Russians have been saving up missiles for the current anticipated attacks. The Ukrainians retaliate in kind, but are focused on Russian military power and logistics, not civilians. If this is the best the Russians can do with a burst of activity, they will be in trouble, I doubt it can be sustained. Destroying the enemy's military power is how you win, terrorizing a war hardened population facing an existential threat only makes it worse for the Russians and hardens their resolve. The Ukrainians are methodically targeting Russian military power and the industries and transport that support it in Ukraine, they don't waste munitions on civilian targets.
I figure Ukraine will hold on with European help until things are settled in America. If Joe and the democrats win a hattrick in November I would expect Vlad to leave all of Ukraine immediately after the election!