No, Vlad will not just pack up and leave Ukraine without serious loss of life and equipment.
A serious amount of money was sent along with the psy ops. Putin wasn't doing that just for good relations.
Good I think the idea is to destroy as much of his equipment as possible.
www.cbsnews.com
There is no mention of Ukraine in articles about this agreement including the one you linked to.Good I think the idea is to destroy as much of his equipment as possible.
There is talk of a deal on funding the government and Ukraine soon a comprehensive deal that the magats are livid over.
Congressional leaders say they've reached agreement on government funding
The agreement is central to avoiding a government shutdown later this month.
It will be part of the package from what I've seen on TV and part of the reason the magats are not happy.
It's been separated out from the budget talks.
The republicans are down to a one seat majority and the democrats think it is VERY important and so do a lot of republicans, and it is an election year. It is all about trying to deny Biden a "victory" over Ukraine and vanquishing the Russians. It is still on the table and one reason the magats are not happy, there are still Russia hawks among the republicans, and this is a divisive issue for them.
^pure speculation
www.politico.com
. But let us not forget that Trump was a nobody until he got in deep with Russian oligarch money in the late 2000's/early 2010's. Let's not forget that Russian agents were embedded in Trump's Congress in the 2017's, that the NRA has become an arm of Russian intelligence and that somehow, the GOP and Trump kept their political hopes alive after Jan 6 through PACs that do not have the same reporting requirements that political campaigns have.
Wonder if that is old news, has been on and off again a couple of times.
Just going by what the pundits are saying and the slim republican majority in the house matters.^pure speculation
Johnson strikes his first bipartisan deal — a $1.7T funding accord
Ahead of a government shutdown cliff on Jan. 19, angst among House Republicans could still derail efforts to avert a funding lapse.
A shutdown remains very possible, with a host of thorny policy issues for congressional leaders to work through in extremely limited time, including conservative demands to attach GOP border reforms to spending legislation and Republican ultimatums holding up Biden’s separate request for more than $100 billion to aid Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan.
We know that Russian money has corrupted the Republican Party. This is the one issue that can't be negotiated and keep the dirty money flowing into their hands. This affects everybody, especially Trump.
I don't know where this is going to go but I'm unwilling to speculate in the same grandiose fashion that others are willing to do. The MAGA base is already on board, so there is little political cost to the GOP fat cats who have been bought by nearly unlimited oligarch cash. GOP Congress's demands regarding the border as their requirement for freeing up funds for Ukraine are nothing less than a nuisance bid that is intended to insult and not a serious offer. It's win-win for them on this issue. They keep Putin happy by throttling aid to Ukraine and thereby keep the dirty money flowing into Trump's and their own accounts while maintaining an image of "standing firm" over border security. That is my own cynical analysis.
Less cynically, the following was written by Adam Kinzinger in August of last year regarding his party's turn toward supporting Russia over Ukraine.
Opinion: Why Republicans are turning against aid to Ukraine
Opinion by Adam Kinzinger
Updated 3:12 PM EDT, Mon August 7, 2023
The following was extracted from the above opinion piece. His logic is nearly impossible for me to follow but somehow makes sense in the Trump world of politics:
Before Donald Trump, Republicans were not the type to abandon a fight for a strategic partner’s democracy, handing a potential victory to Russian President Vladimir Putin. We were the warriors of the Cold War who brought about the collapse of the Soviet Union.
With Trump, who has embraced Putin, some Republicans are learning to let go of America’s role as the bulwark of democracy and freedom. These Republicans are choosing, instead, the tragic isolationism of those who opposed joining the fight against Hitler. Back then, radio priest Charles Coughlin had a powerful voice among do-nothings. Today, they find comfort on Fox News.
Trump has framed his position in a way that is typical of his petty approach to policy. He said he would threaten to halt war funding to get documents from the federal investigation into the business dealings of President Joe Biden’s son, Hunter. The US should “refuse to authorize a single additional shipment of our depleted weapons stockpiles,” Trump said last month, until “the FBI, DOJ and IRS hand over” evidence in congressional Republicans’ Biden family investigation. He also has said the US should prioritize school safety over Ukraine aid.
The idea that, somehow, school safety and Hunter Biden should have anything to do with helping Ukraine is, on the surface, absurd. But in making these statements, the former president pressed on two hot-button issues that would make his followers take notice.
Kinzinger ends his piece with this:
With the rank and file of my party losing faith in the fight for democracy, I see yet another example of how the conservatism I once knew, and that America relied on, is disappearing.
Gone is the party of Reagan, which was steadfast in its stand against tyranny. In its place is rising a GOP that seems immune to the world’s need for American leadership and uninterested in the suffering of a country we should aid until the fight is over.
So, I don't disagree with DIY in that their strategy to throttle Ukraine is a loser with the majority in this country and won't help them in the upcoming election. But it doesn't hurt them either. Their base are completely on board with allowing Russia to commit genocide in Ukraine because -- "Hunter Biden"
Seems as if Trump is following through on this deal:
A Back-Channel Plan for Ukraine and Russia, Courtesy of Trump Associates
Feb. 19, 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/19/us/politics/donald-trump-ukraine-russia.html
Foreign governments have been advancing their cause by feeding corrupt officials in other countries for thousands of years. The kind of thing that Putin is doing to Ukraine by taking advantage of corrupt leaders in the US follows an ancient playbook.
For these reasons I'm not optimistic about Ukraine this year. I'm not certain that the corrupt elements will prevail but am simply waiting to see more details than what I've read thus far. I think US funding to support Ukraine is in dire straits. But I could be wrong.
which pundits and link please.
I saw it on TV, but I'll have a look. I didn't say it was a done deal, but likely considering the GOP 1 seat majority in the house and republican support for Ukraine in the senate. There are deals being cut that we or perhaps some magats in congress don't know about and not just Joe and the democrats want it, lots of republicans want it too.
more like GOP plays obstructionist and hyprocrits too
Everybody knows the cause and Trump losing his immunity case and more importantly is disqualified, will have an impact on foreign relations. It might also take some of the steam out of the maga movement in congress, if they figure there are no administration jobs coming and not much riding on his coattails. His cases before the courts now might have an impact on congress, if he is not immune and is disqualified over the next month.
I hope they do know they cause, cause it's the GOP and it's the only thing they have in they're pocket....all the rest flew off like a deflating balloon......
You wanna get a lot of this budget stuff off the table for when the shit really hits the fan with Trump in the courts and he leans on magats in congress even more as his desperation and panic grows. Get the budget settled and then go for the border and Ukrainian aid, soon Trump's troubles will consume them.