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DIY-HP-LED

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Then it will need to be done with long range missile to hit far behind their lines at their rail heads and bridges, Kirch will have to go along with a few other things. If not by shells, then by airpower, missiles, drones, guns and guts, one way or another they will hold them and then drive them out. It will probably break Russia economically, militarily, politically and socially while they do it, or shortly thereafter.

 

DIY-HP-LED

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War is stupid and a waste and this one was completely unnecessary and will likely be suicidal for the ones who started it. Ukraine has little choice it's an existential fight for their society and country, Europe has little choice either. There are better things adults with common sense would do than war, like solve problems and make life better for their people. Sometimes you do what you must though, even if you don't really like it deep down inside and no normal person likes killing other people, even in war. War is not a game however but serious business, the most serious kind and if you must do it then you must be all in and in to win, half measures or amateurism is a mistake that costs lives. There is a line and Vlad crossed it, he was given plenty of chances for peace, but the current situation is the result, he can't be trusted to keep any agreement, it's as simple as that and peace requires an agreement that can and will be honored. It was the same problem with Hitler, anything he signed was as worthless as his word.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Drive them out of Ukraine and in a decade, demographics will take care of the issue along with internal political instability. Meanwhile Europe rearms in case they rise from the ashes, like Trump and he would stab them in the back.


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DIY-HP-LED

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If he fires him, he will run against him in the presidential election and might be the only one who can beat him. This is a result of a lack of aid from America in the end, they have to spend lives if they can't expend ammo. I think firing this guy after the way he performed on the battlefield would be a mistake, he wants to take the strain off his soldiers and get some new blood in to help them, he owes them that. It will divide the country Zaluzhny is as popular as he is, a national hero.


Zelensky to oust Ukraine’s top general amid tension over new mobilization

KYIV — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told his top commander, Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, that he was firing him in a meeting on Monday, according to a senior official familiar with the conversation — a disruptive military shake-up amid Ukraine’s struggles on the battlefield and after months of friction between the president and the popular general.

Zaluzhny remains in his post for now, but a formal presidential decree is expected to confirm his ousting nearly two years into Russia’s invasion and as Moscow’s forces appear to be gaining the strategic initiative on some parts of the front.

On Monday, Zelensky’s spokesman, Serhiy Nykyforov, denied that Zaluzhny had been fired. “There is no subject of conversation,” Nykyforov told reporters. “There is no order. The president did not dismiss the commander in chief.”

Nykyforov on Wednesday did not immediately reply to messages from The Washington Post seeking any updated comment.

A highly anticipated counteroffensive, using soldiers trained by NATO allies and with Western weapons and equipment, reclaimed little territory, falling far short of expectations. Zaluzhny and his American counterparts disagreed sharply over tactics, and the Ukrainian commander ultimately ignored U.S. advice to concentrate his forces, which he believed could have led to far higher casualties.

In their conversation Monday, Zelensky told Zaluzhny that Ukrainians have grown tired of war and that the country’s international backers have also slowed military assistance, so perhaps a new commander would rejuvenate the situation, the person familiar with their conversation said.

Two individuals spoke about the meeting on the condition of anonymity to be candid about the highly sensitive situation with unpredictable implications for the war and Ukraine’s security. Senior members of Zaluzhny’s staff are also expected to be removed, one person said.

U.S. war plans for Ukraine don’t foresee retaking lost territory

In Monday’s meeting, differences between the two boiled over because of disagreement about how many soldiers Ukraine needs to mobilize this year, according to the two people familiar with the exchange.

Zaluzhny proposed mobilizing close to 500,000 troops, a figure Zelensky viewed as impractical given the scarcity of uniforms, guns and training facilities and potential challenges related to recruitment, the people said. Zelensky has also publicly said that Ukraine lacks the funds to pay so many new conscripts.

Zaluzhny countered that Ukraine is already short of forces due to mounting casualties and needs to match 400,000 new soldiers that Russia plans to mobilize, one person familiar with the conversation said....
 

doublejj

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All this hardware is U.S. military surplus—and is available to Greece, free of charge, under a U.S. legal authority called “excess defense articles.” Federal law allows an American president to declare military systems surplus to need, assign them a value—potentially zero dollars—and give them away
 

DIY-HP-LED

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All this hardware is U.S. military surplus—and is available to Greece, free of charge, under a U.S. legal authority called “excess defense articles.” Federal law allows an American president to declare military systems surplus to need, assign them a value—potentially zero dollars—and give them away
That might be over Donald's head! Take the Russian money and help Ukraine in as many ways as Trump can screw them. Meanwhile the Europeans are coming through until Uncle Sam can get there. Vlad won't win and I doubt Russia will rise again, they will be finished demographically in a decade and the country might come apart, with a little help. Meanwhile they will be cut out of the oil markets and their main source of revenue while the world transitions away from fossil fuels, in 10 years not many will need or want Russia's oil and gas. Ukraine could supply everything that is needed for Europe's backup power and petrochemicals. In 10 years, plenty of people will be looking to sell oil with few buyers, leave it in the ground, by then America might be completely self-sufficient and might even ban the export of oil and LNG.
 

Fogdog

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If he fires him, he will run against him in the presidential election and might be the only one who can beat him. This is a result of a lack of aid from America in the end, they have to spend lives if they can't expend ammo. I think firing this guy after the way he performed on the battlefield would be a mistake, he wants to take the strain off his soldiers and get some new blood in to help them, he owes them that. It will divide the country Zaluzhny is as popular as he is, a national hero.


Zelensky to oust Ukraine’s top general amid tension over new mobilization

KYIV — Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told his top commander, Gen. Valery Zaluzhny, that he was firing him in a meeting on Monday, according to a senior official familiar with the conversation — a disruptive military shake-up amid Ukraine’s struggles on the battlefield and after months of friction between the president and the popular general.

Zaluzhny remains in his post for now, but a formal presidential decree is expected to confirm his ousting nearly two years into Russia’s invasion and as Moscow’s forces appear to be gaining the strategic initiative on some parts of the front.

On Monday, Zelensky’s spokesman, Serhiy Nykyforov, denied that Zaluzhny had been fired. “There is no subject of conversation,” Nykyforov told reporters. “There is no order. The president did not dismiss the commander in chief.”

Nykyforov on Wednesday did not immediately reply to messages from The Washington Post seeking any updated comment.

A highly anticipated counteroffensive, using soldiers trained by NATO allies and with Western weapons and equipment, reclaimed little territory, falling far short of expectations. Zaluzhny and his American counterparts disagreed sharply over tactics, and the Ukrainian commander ultimately ignored U.S. advice to concentrate his forces, which he believed could have led to far higher casualties.

In their conversation Monday, Zelensky told Zaluzhny that Ukrainians have grown tired of war and that the country’s international backers have also slowed military assistance, so perhaps a new commander would rejuvenate the situation, the person familiar with their conversation said.

Two individuals spoke about the meeting on the condition of anonymity to be candid about the highly sensitive situation with unpredictable implications for the war and Ukraine’s security. Senior members of Zaluzhny’s staff are also expected to be removed, one person said.

U.S. war plans for Ukraine don’t foresee retaking lost territory

In Monday’s meeting, differences between the two boiled over because of disagreement about how many soldiers Ukraine needs to mobilize this year, according to the two people familiar with the exchange.

Zaluzhny proposed mobilizing close to 500,000 troops, a figure Zelensky viewed as impractical given the scarcity of uniforms, guns and training facilities and potential challenges related to recruitment, the people said. Zelensky has also publicly said that Ukraine lacks the funds to pay so many new conscripts.

Zaluzhny countered that Ukraine is already short of forces due to mounting casualties and needs to match 400,000 new soldiers that Russia plans to mobilize, one person familiar with the conversation said....
Perhaps history is repeating itself?


McClellan was not a bad general, he just wasn't willing to expend the resources (lives) necessary to defeat the enemy. McClellan went on to run against Lincoln on the Democratic Party's platform that the Union needed to end the war with the South by recognizing the Confederacy's secession. McClellan was for maintaining the Union but was willing to accept running for a party that he didn't agree with. This is almost a metaphor for how he conducted military campaigns.

It was not easy finding his replacement. Some spectacular failures came before Grant. So, I hope for Ukraine's sake history doesn't repeat itself in full.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Perhaps history is repeating itself?


McClellan was not a bad general, he just wasn't willing to expend the resources (lives) necessary to defeat the enemy. McClellan went on to run against Lincoln on the platform that the Union needed to end the war with the South by recognizing the Confederacy's secession.

It was not easy finding his replacement. Some spectacular failures came before Grant. So, I hope for Ukraine's sake history doesn't repeat itself in full.
This guy is no McClellan and is highly regarded in western military circles for his feat of arms over the past two years and is highly regarded by his army and the nation, a leader.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Perhaps history is repeating itself?


McClellan was not a bad general, he just wasn't willing to expend the resources (lives) necessary to defeat the enemy. McClellan went on to run against Lincoln on the Democratic Party's platform that the Union needed to end the war with the South by recognizing the Confederacy's secession. McClellan was for maintaining the Union but was willing to accept running for a party that he didn't agree with. This is almost a metaphor for how he conducted military campaigns.

It was not easy finding his replacement. Some spectacular failures came before Grant. So, I hope for Ukraine's sake history doesn't repeat itself in full.
He is as liberal democratic as they come and is anticorruption, he saw what corruption did for the Russians, so did the Chinese apparently.
 

Fogdog

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This guy is no McClellan and is highly regarded in western military circles for his feat of arms over the past two years and is highly regarded by his army and the nation, a leader.
And fired for lack of progress on the field. People were shocked when Lincoln sacked McClellan at the time too. The army loved him. He was good on defense but his offense was insufficient. Was the Ukrainian General's firing justified? I can't say. Neither can you. Just saying that he's not the first general who was fired for lack of progress. It's up to Zelensky now. Which is appropriate, don't you think so?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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And fired for lack of progress on the field. People were shocked when Lincoln sacked McClellan at the time too. The army loved him. He was good on defense but his offense was insufficient. Was the Ukrainian General's firing justified? I can't say. Neither can you. Just saying that he's not the first general who was fired for lack of progress. It's up to Zelensky now. Which is appropriate, don't you think so?
We will see, he has a case, and the republicans are the cause, I think frustration on both sides is the problem. He took one Helluva toll on the Russians, on a shoestring too, they both did good jobs IMO.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Once they drive them from Ukraine, they will use this, war crimes and confiscating their money while stealing their petroleum markets over the next decade to keep them sanctioned and down. Ukraine has enough gas and oil for Europe's needs and those needs are diminishing rapidly, except for petrochemicals and industrial processes.
 

BudmanTX

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Once they drive them from Ukraine, they will use this, war crimes and confiscating their money while stealing their petroleum markets over the next decade to keep them sanctioned and down. Ukraine has enough gas and oil for Europe's needs and those needs are diminishing rapidly, except for petrochemicals and industrial processes.
that's just the tip of the iceberg for war crimes...
 
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