is it wrong to be a proud white male

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humblesmurph

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There doesn't seem to be a strong "white pride" sentiment in America (outside of rednecks) cuz they don't need it imo.

This is a capitalist society. The whites (males especially) have a disproportionate amount of wealth AND power. How many non-white Senators are there?? How many American born non white billionaires in this country??

A white guy can't really pat himself on the back for being white cuz things come easier to whites. That's like Yao Ming bragging that he cant dunk. He's nearly seven and a half feet tall--of course he can dunk.
 
lopezri

lopezri

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panhead said:
Heres the shit you said you'd catch.

You couldnt be bothered to read all the posts in the thread,not interested enough in the full value of the thread to base your comments against,yet simplistic non issues that are not relevant to the topic at hand like grammar & spelling caught your attention enough for you to base a comment against.

Pretty weak.

Also on the same grammer deal,im fascinated at what would make a man be concerned about another mans grammar ? Every few months a guy comes along & likes to point out others spelling errors or improper grammar,what is the drive of a man to focus on such an issue about others ? thats a serious question i'd love to know.


Some people cant spell or use proper english grammer because english is not their first language,or because the family they grew up in needed extra income,so they quit school at a young age to go to work,or because the generation they grew up in placed little value on grammar & spelling & much value on early work ethic.

Or they just dont give a shit enough to use spell check,internet spelling isnt that impressive any more since spell check,anybody can look as if they have proper grammar,or a big brain.
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That's cool, I'll take the slap in the face for it, but you aren't going to comment at all about the second part of the statement? The part about me being accused of being racist just because I replaced someone who thought they were too big for their job?
 
lopezri

lopezri

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Also I don't believe that using correct spelling and/or grammar is a non-issue in this discussion. IMO part of the whole issue with this topic is that people who CAN speak and write English properly have the right to feel superior to anyone who cannot speak or write it properly because they have taken the time and effort to learn to do so. I'm not 100% white but I sure feel superior to someone who uses the "F" word or some other curse word or street slang in every sentence simply because they think that is the only way for them to get their point across to another. Part of learning the language is a value on work ethic! It TAKES WORK and drive to LEARN!

Look at it this way, the Chinese have over 20 different words that all mean "love." If you don't use the correct word for the correct meaning the sentence doesn't make any sense. Why would anyone expect anything different from the English language unless of course they think, "Well, they're just American, it doesn't matter if we expect them to lower their standards for us because we can't speak the language." "They don't really count anyway."

Screw that! If you're a good, smart, well spoken, white guy; more power to you for being proud!
 
genfranco

genfranco

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lopezri said:
Also I don't believe that using correct spelling and/or grammar is a non-issue in this discussion. IMO part of the whole issue with this topic is that people who CAN speak and write English properly have the right to feel superior to anyone who cannot speak or write it properly because they have taken the time and effort to learn to do so. I'm not 100% white but I sure feel superior to someone who uses the "F" word or some other curse word or street slang in every sentence simply because they think that is the only way for them to get their point across to another. Part of learning the language is a value on work ethic! It TAKES WORK and drive to LEARN!

Look at it this way, the Chinese have over 20 different words that all mean "love." If you don't use the correct word for the correct meaning the sentence doesn't make any sense. Why would anyone expect anything different from the English language unless of course they think, "Well, they're just American, it doesn't matter if we expect them to lower their standards for us because we can't speak the language." "They don't really count anyway."

Screw that! If you're a good, smart, well spoken, white guy; more power to you for being proud!
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So only white guys know English? Damn I'm getting lost now. Since when has this thread been about being a proud typist. This is getting stupid. Oh, and you should see what the British think of American English. And how about if you want to say FUCK. What now because someone says Fuck they are less than you? WOW... you keep being proud, I don't even think your own are proud of you.

So, would a bilingual person be superior than you because they can do it on two languages?
 
panhead

panhead

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lopezri said:
That's cool, I'll take the slap in the face for it, but you aren't going to comment at all about the second part of the statement? The part about me being accused of being racist just because I replaced someone who thought they were too big for their job?
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What comment were you looking for,that people are stupid & use racisim as their own personal weapon to lash out at other people ? this is not a new thing.

Since you were looking for a response i'll give you mine,there's plenty of evidence of people using racisim as their own personal dagger right here in this thread for all to see,if they open their eyes long enough to see more than what they choose to see,or believe as truth.

Its common pratice nowdays to lable men as racist because people do not approve of or agree with the situation at hand,Much like the majority of the posters in this thread who lash out,then label white men who are proud of their heritage as being racist,its easier to brand a man a racist then it is to understand his veiwpoint,plus its far cooler to be the guy calling out a racist.
 
panhead

panhead

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lopezri said:
Also I don't believe that using correct spelling and/or grammar is a non-issue in this discussion. IMO part of the whole issue with this topic is that people who CAN speak and write English properly have the right to feel superior to anyone who cannot speak or write it properly because they have taken the time and effort to learn to do so.
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Where are you comming up with this language speel at,you brought this to the table not me.

Being able to take the time to properly learn/spell the english language in its proper form is not a luxury afforded to all men,no matter of color or race.

Just because a man is white is he supposed to have access to better schools,or better circumstances in life that allow him to focus on getting an education over working & supporting himslf ?
 
panhead

panhead

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humblesmurph said:
There doesn't seem to be a strong "white pride" sentiment in America (outside of rednecks) cuz they don't need it imo.

This is a capitalist society. The whites (males especially) have a disproportionate amount of wealth AND power. How many non-white Senators are there?? How many American born non white billionaires in this country??

A white guy can't really pat himself on the back for being white cuz things come easier to whites. That's like Yao Ming bragging that he cant dunk. He's nearly seven and a half feet tall--of course he can dunk.
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Im sorry but this statement is the biggest load of crap in this whole topic.

Who here has the advantages of "whiteys wealth" that you speak of,all i see is young white guys scrounging to buy a few cfl's to power their first grow,im white as a bowl of milk & ive been beat down worse than most people of other races on this forum,nothing has came easy for me.

The partial reason there isnt a strong white pride sentiment in america is because most white people have been brow beat for decades by tactics such as your post,then made to feel guilty about shit other people have done before them,another part of the reason there isnt a strong white pride sentiment in america is evidenced right here in this thread.

White men tremble at the mere thought of being labled a racist & rightly so,proclaiming white pride is a news worthy story that will be exploited to the fullest,its a carerr killing lable that no white man can afford to carry around with himself if he wants to keep his job.

Let one white man stand up in public,then proudly announce his pride in being white & it wont be long before the guys come out of the woodwork calling him a racist,not because of what type man he is or his actions in life,the guy can cure leapors & make the lame walk again but that has no bearing,any outspoken thoughts on white pride automatically garner accusations of being a racist.

I point to this thread as evidence backing up my stance on the lacking of a strong white pride in america,white men are terrified of the accusation that allways follows.
 
cheeseysynapse

cheeseysynapse

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AzGrOw-N-sMoKe said:
just like the tittle says......when ever i talk of myself i explain that i am a proud white male.....so the first thought i bet you an most people have is that i am some sort of neo nazi or a skinhead.....but in realty im not...i believe in pride not power an thats the difference.....i hear people say they are proud black males or proud mexicans i bet you dont instantelly think of some black panthers or brown pride'rs just normal people.....
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Wow, never been the spirituality section before tonight. Was kind of shocked to see the date of this original post. This is such a great topic. I feel exactly like the original poster. And am kind of amazed this was brought up - cause its something, I feel, you can't say. Just look at the language used.....he felt the need for the qualifiers........just to avoid the nazi image.

I apologize. This thread is long. I have only read the first post. I will backtrack some, so, please forgive me for going over stuff that has already been resolved, or bringing up something that has been resolved.

My thoughts are it's not politically correct to SAY you're proud to be white.

An interesting article about this recently appeared thanks to the Blago appointment of Roland Burris.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-trice-05-jan05,0,6132899.column
 
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humblesmurph

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panhead said:
Im sorry but this statement is the biggest load of crap in this whole topic.

Who here has the advantages of "whiteys wealth" that you speak of,all i see is young white guys scrounging to buy a few cfl's to power their first grow,im white as a bowl of milk & ive been beat down worse than most people of other races on this forum,nothing has came easy for me.

The partial reason there isnt a strong white pride sentiment in america is because most white people have been brow beat for decades by tactics such as your post,then made to feel guilty about shit other people have done before them,another part of the reason there isnt a strong white pride sentiment in america is evidenced right here in this thread.

White men tremble at the mere thought of being labled a racist & rightly so,proclaiming white pride is a news worthy story that will be exploited to the fullest,its a carerr killing lable that no white man can afford to carry around with himself if he wants to keep his job.

Let one white man stand up in public,then proudly announce his pride in being white & it wont be long before the guys come out of the woodwork calling him a racist,not because of what type man he is or his actions in life,the guy can cure leapors & make the lame walk again but that has no bearing,any outspoken thoughts on white pride automatically garner accusations of being a racist.

I point to this thread as evidence backing up my stance on the lacking of a strong white pride in america,white men are terrified of the accusation that allways follows.
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i can dig where you are coming from. i think you missed my point though. As has been stated in this post, of course it is cool to be proud of yourself in terms of what you accomplished/overcame as a human being.

However, nobody is saying that you are less capable because of the color of your skin. The point is race pride (not cultural pride) is only useful to uplift the spirits of those being trampled. You are not being trampled upon. Black pride came out of the Struggle for equality. Whites said we (and other minorities) were inferior due to our exterior features. i do believe the time for black pride and callign whites "devils" and "the man" has passed.

Being white is a plus in this country point blank. White pride people seem to neglect this obvious fact. White pride is associated with white males whining over the fact that they don't have it as sweet as they used too--even though they still have the advantage. So yes, overt white pride does smack of racism.

There is implicit white race pride in this country.....lots of it. Who the fuk do you think they are talking about when people say "the founders of this great nation" or our "founding fathers"--white people. Look at the faces on the money. Look at Mt. Rushmore. White people run the large media outlets/news organizations/run almost all of the Fortune 500 companies.

i like white folks. i like living in the US. i like smoking herb. You and i probably have more in common than you think. Focusing on our differences only keeps folks apart and fighting. i can't say i'm proud to be black, anymore than i can say i'm proud to be heterosexual or right handed, i was born that way....can't really take credit for it.
 
ANC

ANC

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To the original poster...

Do you thin kyou'd be able to be proud being any other race?

Do you think there are any races that do not deserve pride?

Do you not think that pride in your own actions is more appropriate... I know too many bad people of my own race to bestow race with any credit in terms of my personal pride.
 
panhead

panhead

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humblesmurph said:
Being white is a plus in this country point blank. White pride people seem to neglect this obvious fact. White pride is associated with white males whining over the fact that they don't have it as sweet as they used too--even though they still have the advantage. So yes, overt white pride does smack of racism
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The whole idea of this "plus" to being white is a phallacy that is being disproven on a daily basis,many examples are there to see,ive never got one single leg up in life because im white & im over 50 years old.


Also the association of white pride smelling of racisim is not reflective of truth of many people who take pride in being the race they are,the reasoning you point out above is not reflective of my thoughts nor the thoughts of many people i deal with in my life,its a generalized statement to give a reason why people of other races are not supposed to be allowed to take pride in who they are,this is no different that any other race telling a spanish or black person that they are not allowed to be proud of their race,if anything smells like racisim this guilt by association clause that is implied sure does to me.

My reasons for being proud of who/what race i am a part of have nothing do do with anything ive ever recieved or been denied because of my skin color,its about standing up for ones self & not allowing myself to succumb to a standard of political correctness that does not reflect my thoughts or my lifestyle choices.
 
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MrJDGaF

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Whilst your average white male won't see any direct benefit of being white, if you look at figures for police/court action you can instantly see that they are far less likely to be stopped/searched/arrested/prosecuted/found guilty/jailed or sentenced to death than a black male.

Without positive discrimination it would take hundreds of years for black people to overcome racism and progress socially (as in working class to middle to upper class).
Once the social demographic is reflected in the majority of jobs then there should be no further need for them.:-)

IMHO wealth/class is a much bigger barrier to social progression than race or religion, certainly in England at least.:peace:
 
Token

Token

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How many on here actually know the History intricately? If you want someone to be mad at about slavery look at the Dutch! They where the ones that first started to sale Africans, before that we had what where called indignant servant; they were people that sold themselves for a ticket to get to America. They would work for the person that paid for their passage for ten years and then would be set free and get 40 acres and mule, hence where we get the term "40 acres and mule".



 
420 souljah

420 souljah

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Why do ppl have pride for something they had no control of, where you were born,what color you are, what street your from, or wether your from north side,south side,east side, and well ofcourse us west siders only be proud of your accomplishments and stop listening to that asshole the Devil.
Words from a Radical.
 
ELee

ELee

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Mr.JD hit the nail right on the head. Africans were enslaving eachother way before whites ever saw they're face. The first slave transaction was between a black and white man! So, I can't point fingers in either direction. Also, I think this site really helps all of us see that we can all come together for one purpose....... one color....GREEN! I see nothing at all wrong with white pride. I don't think any of us live to be shamed no matter the race or color. We have all done our share of clean and dirty work. As long as whatever we have done does not feed hate. I say live on and love it! Being human gives you a desire to proud, no matter the color. I would never deny a person the right to feel proud. That's like denying them the right to be human!

Be proud, whatever your race may be!
 
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