Blue Cheese, PPP, Thai SS...Jerry's Second Grow

[Jerry Garcia]

Oh yea I forgot to comment on the coco. That's cool man. You'll love it I'm sure. It might be near impossible to root a cutting in it though. I guess it depends how coarse it is. The stuff I use right now turns a bit soupy on top when watered so plants with small root masses can fall over. I root in peat plugs and get a big scraggly white beard of roots going before I transplant. You could use rockwool too. If you use the soil let it root in a solo cup and veg until roots fill the cup. Then cut the cup away and dunk the roots in a bucket of water to wash all the dirt away. Then you could go to the coco.

Cool. I've read about some people who root in coco, seemed to work for them...I probably won't try it yet though.

What about only using a tiny amount of soil...say, a shot glass worth, and rooting the clone in that. It won't take long for the roots to take hold and then there isn't much soil to wash off when I do the bare root transplant...

Just thoughts I have. I'll probably just stick with the cup, as that is the easiest...or maybe I'll grab some rockwool.

 

[mared juwan]

Yea I just don't know about mixing soil and coco in the same pot. It might work fine, maybe it will cause probs. Do you have hydro nutes to use with the coco? Non-hydro(soil) nutes have probs with P uptake in hydro and soiless mediums, i.e. coco. If you get any hydro nutes and decide for some reason you don't want to do any more coco then you could still use the hydro nutes in soil. It just doesn't work the other way around with soil nutes in hydro. I would highly recommend the Ionic line as an affordable alternative to the pricier hydro nutes. I use Ionic Boost instead of AN Overdrive because I think it works better, not just because it is half the price. If that's not available I would just go with the GH 3-part (Flora Series).

 

[Babs34]

You knew of course I'd be throwing my two cents in at some point, right?
Your "not so local hyrdro store" is my EXTREMELY local store. Those black square pots are what I'm using for a couple of plants this time around. Space does not alot for the square footage as before...sucks. I prefer the white pots.

"Alas, you do what you have to do."

I too decided to go with coco. Let me tell you...it's defintitely a different kind of grow. I'm actually perplexed for the first time growing! Let me say that I did not do any real "research" on growing in coco. It just looked like a realy cool medium to grow in..."so".....there you have it. So, "now"......I research. Let's learn together on this one.
I've already figured out the need for the calcium/magnesium. Coco obviously clings to nutrients in a different manner. If you have any specific questions, I'm betting Boneman will be willing to oblige......as he has grown not only in coco, but 100% perilite as well.
Seeing that was pretty "trippy" for me....I had to try a clone to "experiment." It works...just in a different manner than as from a soil medium.
Apparently, it is suggested to use Monkey Juice with the coco......naturally, the hydro store does not carry it. I'm using foxfarms as you are....let's cross our fingers---sigh.
POSITIVELY, you can use a mix of FF soil and coco. Personally, I intend to use a mix of black gold, coco and perilite in the near future. I'm sure it will make a wondeful mix for my intended grow...a somewhat passive hydroponic adventure for me. 100 % hydro will be my next excursion.
As for your clones, I am confident you will bring them to fruition.
I have cloned in 100% coco---with no problems whatsoever. My biggest problem is with figuring out what coco prefers in nutrients. Cal/mag is a given purchase I've made.
Node spacing in your plants looks AWESOME. You should have wild branching.

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Yea I just don't know about mixing soil and coco in the same pot. It might work fine, maybe it will cause probs. Do you have hydro nutes to use with the coco? Non-hydro(soil) nutes have probs with P uptake in hydro and soiless mediums, i.e. coco. If you get any hydro nutes and decide for some reason you don't want to do any more coco then you could still use the hydro nutes in soil. It just doesn't work the other way around with soil nutes in hydro. I would highly recommend the Ionic line as an affordable alternative to the pricier hydro nutes. I use Ionic Boost instead of AN Overdrive because I think it works better, not just because it is half the price. If that's not available I would just go with the GH 3-part (Flora Series).

With the exception of the Grow Big veg formula, the Fox Farm line is acceptable for growing hydro (and therefore I assume its good for coco). They make a hydro version of the Grow Big, so another $20 for that isn't really a problem. It will probably be at least a week until I can make it back to the store, so this operation may go on hold for a few...which is fine, just means I've got more time to research on coco growing.

You knew of course I'd be throwing my two cents in at some point, right?
Your "not so local hyrdro store" is my EXTREMELY local store. Those black square pots are what I'm using for a couple of plants this time around. Space does not alot for the square footage as before...sucks. I prefer the white pots.

"Alas, you do what you have to do."

I too decided to go with coco. Let me tell you...it's defintitely a different kind of grow. I'm actually perplexed for the first time growing! Let me say that I did not do any real "research" on growing in coco. It just looked like a realy cool medium to grow in..."so".....there you have it. So, "now"......I research. Let's learn together on this one.
I've already figured out the need for the calcium/magnesium. Coco obviously clings to nutrients in a different manner. If you have any specific questions, I'm betting Boneman will be willing to oblige......as he has grown not only in coco, but 100% perilite as well.
Seeing that was pretty "trippy" for me....I had to try a clone to "experiment." It works...just in a different manner than as from a soil medium.
Apparently, it is suggested to use Monkey Juice with the coco......naturally, the hydro store does not carry it. I'm using foxfarms as you are....let's cross our fingers---sigh.
POSITIVELY, you can use a mix of FF soil and coco. Personally, I intend to use a mix of black gold, coco and perilite in the near future. I'm sure it will make a wondeful mix for my intended grow...a somewhat passive hydroponic adventure for me. 100 % hydro will be my next excursion.
As for your clones, I am confident you will bring them to fruition.
I have cloned in 100% coco---with no problems whatsoever. My biggest problem is with figuring out what coco prefers in nutrients. Cal/mag is a given purchase I've made.
Node spacing in your plants looks AWESOME. You should have wild branching.

I was wondering when you were going to chime in

I use the black square pots only for vegging (well, that is their intended purpose anyway...) and use the 7" square white ones for flower. On my last trip I noticed some even larger square white pots...possibly 8-9"...which look very nice. But then I remembered where I'm growing and I could only fit 4 of those bigger ones MAX as opposed to 8 of the white ones I have now.

The clones I took are already standing back up and looking fine. Check it out. Whether I'll clone directly in coco remains to be seen. We'll definitely be learning this together Babs...with a lot of help from mared!

Here are the other plants.

One more, this is Blue Cheese B (right) and PPP

I finally took some pics of the flower room with all my topped girls. They're doing fine. Temp gets pretty hot...93 is my highest so far. It prompted me to flip on the a/c, even though I didn't want to. I'm looking into getting an extraction fan to help cool the hps without running the a/c.

So I've been diligently reading about the benefits of topping vs. training, and I must say I'm a bit perplexed at what to do. I have topped a few times now and am comfortable with it, and I get to grow out the top as a clone. Pretty good situation.

My problem now is that my plants have 9+ nodes in a total height of 6-6.5 inches. It would kill me to simply chop off the top 7 nodes and only get one clone from it. I could try and clone some of branches from those upper nodes, but they are a little too premature for that I think.

So I think I've resolved to tie them down instead. I want them to be pretty bushy, but not too crazy because my space is always such an issue (oh to have a 4' x 4' space...)

I still want to take clones of the blue cheese and the ppp though, but it may be too early for that too. Lots to think about these days...better get high

 

[Jerry Garcia]

All plants are doing fine. I topped both blue cheeses yesterday...I didn't want to top above the 2nd true node, so I did it 3/4 of the way up the plant...probably about node 6 on the taller Blue Cheese B and node 5 for Blue Cheese A. Both tops were planted in Light Warrior and moved into the clone room with the tops from the Thais. The top taken from Blue Cheese B had approximately 3 nodes, the lowest of which had 2 fairly small branches starting to poke out. I decided to see if I could root those, so I dipped them in the rooting powder and stuck them in some shot glasses with LW. Then I got to thinking about the cloning a fan leaf discussions taking place, and I figured I'd give it a whirl.

I elected not to top the PPP, instead taking a smaller side branch as a clone and planting it in LW. It's pretty small, but I have every reason to believe it will work just fine.

The topped bagseed plants are starting to show pistils after about a week or so of 12/12. I already know they're females as I sexed them in 12/12, topped, and reverted back to veg for a few weeks.

I purchased a 250 cfm 6" inline duct fan today for under $30. I've been thinking about ways to bring down the temp in the flower room without running the a/c...I'll update more of that situation as it happens.

Here's a group shot. Blue Cheese B is front right, PPP directly behind, Blue Cheese A to left of PPP and the two Thai's in the front.

Blue Cheese B.

PPP.

Blue Cheese A.

Thai Super Skunk...I've lost track of which is which...doesn't matter.

Here's the other Thai. Both should have 4 main colas...unless I do some more chopping...probably won't though.

Clone Shelf. A little more crowded now.

One of the Thai tops. Been going about 3 or 4 days now. Should be popping roots in no time.

Here's the top from Blue Cheese B. Very little, but should work out I think.

Fan leaf taken from Blue Cheese B. We'll see what happens.

Blue Cheese A top. Looks good.

These are 2 branches that come from the top of Blue Cheese B. I didn't want to just trash them, so we'll see if this works.

PPP clone. Small, but should be fine.

The other Thai top.

Finally, one of the flower room. Doing fine.

 

[warisnottheanswer]

Whats good jerry i was waitin for ya next grow! lookin good so far + rep i got some blue cheese goin too but its big buddha's. its a month in flower and smells like straght blueberries with a hint of cheese i cant wait! ill be ridin with u i wanna see whats the difference between the 2!

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Whats good jerry i was waitin for ya next grow! lookin good so far + rep i got some blue cheese goin too but its big buddha's. its a month in flower and smells like straght blueberries with a hint of cheese i cant wait! ill be ridin with u i wanna see whats the difference between the 2!

Awesome War, glad to have you along for the ride! I was actually thinking about getting the big buddah, but the barney's was a few bucks cheaper...

Now we can get a nice comparison of the two breeders though! Keep me posted on your progress

 

[cowboylogic]

That super silver haze is the one I wanted to try most...too bad it was a dud. But maybe it was a sign. I've got severe space issues as well, but I'm dying to grow at least one good sativa (the Thai Super Skunks are sativa, but I'm not expecting too much out of them). I'll do it eventually I guess...

Dude! The Thai SS, tall and lanky, yes. Seems like it flowers forever. But the buzz, man, well worth it. And nice looking grow you got started 'scribed.

 

[Babs34]

It looks like you have the same kind of space I'm dealing with. I could give up my closet no longer...sigh, may change my mind on that one. I get really claustrophobic working in this tiny area.
I still haven't been doing my HW with the coco. Hey...if Mared is willing to adivse, I'm certainly willing to take his advice. All I can say to his blooms are just "Wow---strikingly beautiful."
I kind of felt like an idiot just as soon as I posted "what's roadkill?" That's a terrible name to give that bloom...sorry, I just didn't put it together til right after I posted.
I saw a picture of one of your clones I wanted to share with you both. It served as a great example of what I cloned. Imagine it being snipped right above the base fan leaf. So, no..I didn't "really" clone a leaf alone. But HAHA, I see you are trying. Who knows? Maybe you will get a pretty bloom coming out of it?

You say you are worried about your temperature being too high? I was just wondering if something as simple as a tray of ice cubes with the fan running would work.
Are you using all Fox Farm nutrients? That PPP stalk is looking THICK.
One last thing...when are you going to lose the sand? That much sand on top at all times concerns me.
Another new treatment I am trying is the mosquito dunks.....advice from one of these threads. I was very weary in attempting to use it, but desperate too. I don't even want to see ONE more of those bitchs gnawing on my plants!!!
Anyway, just wanted to let you know that it's working.
I've dilluted crumbled pieces in my watering can so that it gets trace elements with each watering/feeding.
I haven't seen any since. (in the medium or flying around)
And on that note.....I am going to go do my daily treatment of zapping the leaves with rubbing alcohol. I don't ever find more than one or two eggs. I'm obsessed with this gnat dilemma dammit---what if they are laying eggs in my carpet? my clothes? I will not rest until every last one of them has disappeared.

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Dude! The Thai SS, tall and lanky, yes. Seems like it flowers forever. But the buzz, man, well worth it. And nice looking grow you got started 'scribed.

Welcome cowboy! Great to have you with us!

I'm looking forward to the Thai Super Skunks...I know they take forever and get big but I'm eager to compare their sativa genes to the other indica-heavy plants in my garden.

It looks like you have the same kind of space I'm dealing with. I could give up my closet no longer...sigh, may change my mind on that one. I get really claustrophobic working in this tiny area.
I still haven't been doing my HW with the coco. Hey...if Mared is willing to adivse, I'm certainly willing to take his advice. All I can say to his blooms are just "Wow---strikingly beautiful."
I kind of felt like an idiot just as soon as I posted "what's roadkill?" That's a terrible name to give that bloom...sorry, I just didn't put it together til right after I posted.

I saw a picture of one of your clones I wanted to share with you both. It served as a great example of what I cloned. Imagine it being snipped right above the base fan leaf. So, no..I didn't "really" clone a leaf alone. But HAHA, I see you are trying. Who knows? Maybe you will get a pretty bloom coming out of it?

You say you are worried about your temperature being too high? I was just wondering if something as simple as a tray of ice cubes with the fan running would work.
Are you using all Fox Farm nutrients? That PPP stalk is looking THICK.
One last thing...when are you going to lose the sand? That much sand on top at all times concerns me.
Another new treatment I am trying is the mosquito dunks.....advice from one of these threads. I was very weary in attempting to use it, but desperate too. I don't even want to see ONE more of those bitchs gnawing on my plants!!!
Anyway, just wanted to let you know that it's working.
I've dilluted crumbled pieces in my watering can so that it gets trace elements with each watering/feeding.
I haven't seen any since. (in the medium or flying around)
And on that note.....I am going to go do my daily treatment of zapping the leaves with rubbing alcohol. I don't ever find more than one or two eggs. I'm obsessed with this gnat dilemma dammit---what if they are laying eggs in my carpet? my clothes? I will not rest until every last one of them has disappeared.

We'll lean about the coco as we go. And I'll take mared's advice on any marijuana cultivation related subject...

I don't the sand is a problem...it has been effectively keeping the gnats at bay. I haven't seen any in quite some time, and I'm not really taking any other steps to eliminate them, so it must be working. I think those buggers are going to be the death of you though Babs...but I like your due diligence in combating them.

I don't think a tray of ice will help me at all unfortunately. Tried that before with my diy a/c that worked for about 10 minutes (in all fairness to myself though, I was using shitty cpu fans with an unknown cfm, probably around 20...with a better fan [like the 250cfm one I got yesterday] I think I would have had more success with the thing). My R420 portable a/c works great...it just uses tons of electricity. And the problem is really only in the flower room under the 400w hps.

Still only using the fox farm nutrients...I think I had given them one watering with Big Bloom about a week ago, but otherwise it has been water and the nutrients available in the Ocean Forest. Yesterday I administered their first true feeding with a cocktail of grow big, big bloom, molasses and cal-mag. One thing I learned from my last grow was to take into account the nutrients available in the soil, especially when transplanting. I found myself transplanting into fresh soil (already with nutrients) and then administering full feedings, which caused some minor burning issues. But my goal for this grow is to keep the leaf tips burn-free (except where they grow into the lights and get a little singed). Oh, and the Miracle Grow perlite I had been using HAS NUTRIENTS IN IT! I was taken aback by that one...took me 5 months to notice...whoops.

That PPP stalk is looking THICK.

That's why I couldn't bring myself to top it with the blue cheeses. Great node spacing, nice thick stalk, good branching, etc.

 

[cowboylogic]

The PPP actually responds very well to topping. I grew the freebie myself last go around. Pinched her just above the fifth node. Got 2 very nice colas. I think PPP in scrog would work awsum. Bet you could fill a 4x4 screen easily with one plant.

 

[Jerry Garcia]

The PPP actually responds very well to topping. I grew the freebie myself last go around. Pinched her just above the fifth node. Got 2 very nice colas. I think PPP in scrog would work awsum. Bet you could fill a 4x4 screen easily with one plant.

I guess I could always top it a little higher up the plant...I like getting the 4 main colas though, and I really didn't want to chop above the 2nd true node to do it and lose all those tight nodes. I'm gonna end up keeping some PPP as a mother, whether it is an established clone or the original plant I haven't yet decided.

I've thought about doing a scrog grow, but it seems like so much work to maintain. And my space is far too small and inaccessible.

 

[warisnottheanswer]

how is ppp suppose to taste?

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Here's what attitude says about the PPP...not much about taste though...


Type : Indica / Sativa, Mostly indica Genetics : Indica-dominant hybrid Flowering Time : Medium Outdoor Harvest : Unknown Height : Tall THC Level : High Characteristics : Incredibly powerful stone G13 Labs PURE Power is an extremely fast to flower strain and produces massive harvests of super-dense buds layered with thick and sticky trichomes. This PURE Power is Indica-dominant and has a recessive Sativa influence which will energise her effect, this will result in a nice relaxing high to an incredibly powerful stone. PURE Power is a fantastic and ideal strain for beginner growers.
Flowering: 50 - 60 days
Yield: high
Height: 100 - 140 cm

Here's a description from "Rhinoseeds"...whoever they are. Still nothing about taste though.

This is a strong Sativa variety developed in the late 90’s FROM South African strains. PPP produces loads of crystal and has tremendous growth potential both indoors and out. Generally better results are obtained with outdoor cultivation in good conditions, if you’re a less experienced indoor grower. PPP is a high THC plant that’s why it’s called, Power Plant, in addition to its powerful growth. This variety gives you a soaring high.

Babs, you've had this before. What does it taste like?

 

[Jerry Garcia]

Here's one from 77seeds.com

PPP - Pure Power Plant​

PPP is an acronym for Pure Power Plant. PPP is an extremely strong sativa developed in the late 1990s by crossbreeding many other types of South African varieties. It's parentage is widely unknown by marijuana growers to this day.
​

PPP has enormous yield potential, which explains it's popularity among most cultivators. PPP is a perfect example of the need for hybrid vigor-water is this plant's catalyst to leading it to produce it's maximum growth potential. PPP also produces both indoors and out, though better results are generally obtained outdoors with pleasant growing conditions. Growing PPP has become a trend among some Dutch commercial growers due to its possible high yields of extremely kind buds.
​

PPP has a pine-like taste that's as smooth as it's after-taste. PPP is well know for it's powerful social high. Hence the name Pure Power Plant. Aside from it's high yields and strong buzz, PPP also produces many THC-laden crystals. A wonderful hash-making plant.​

Plant height:
Medium Plant
Stoned or high?:
Medium Indica/Sativa
THC level:
High THC
Flowering Weeks:
8/9
Yield:
500
Harvest Month:
8/9

These guys seem to think it's sativa dominant...not my plant...


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[warisnottheanswer]

there we go! thanx for the info jerry!

 

[Evil Buddies]

Here's what attitude says about the PPP...not much about taste though...


Type : Indica / Sativa, Mostly indica Genetics : Indica-dominant hybrid Flowering Time : Medium Outdoor Harvest : Unknown Height : Tall THC Level : High Characteristics : Incredibly powerful stone G13 Labs PURE Power is an extremely fast to flower strain and produces massive harvests of super-dense buds layered with thick and sticky trichomes. This PURE Power is Indica-dominant and has a recessive Sativa influence which will energise her effect, this will result in a nice relaxing high to an incredibly powerful stone. PURE Power is a fantastic and ideal strain for beginner growers.
Flowering: 50 - 60 days
Yield: high
Height: 100 - 140 cm

Here's a description from "Rhinoseeds"...whoever they are. Still nothing about taste though.

This is a strong Sativa variety developed in the late 90’s FROM South African strains. PPP produces loads of crystal and has tremendous growth potential both indoors and out. Generally better results are obtained with outdoor cultivation in good conditions, if you’re a less experienced indoor grower. PPP is a high THC plant that’s why it’s called, Power Plant, in addition to its powerful growth. This variety gives you a soaring high.

Babs, you've had this before. What does it taste like?

It's funny how one description says its an indica dominant strain and the other says its more sativa.


Evil

 

[Babs34]

Here's what attitude says about the PPP...not much about taste though...


Type : Indica / Sativa, Mostly indica Genetics : Indica-dominant hybrid Flowering Time : Medium Outdoor Harvest : Unknown Height : Tall THC Level : High Characteristics : Incredibly powerful stone G13 Labs PURE Power is an extremely fast to flower strain and produces massive harvests of super-dense buds layered with thick and sticky trichomes. This PURE Power is Indica-dominant and has a recessive Sativa influence which will energise her effect, this will result in a nice relaxing high to an incredibly powerful stone. PURE Power is a fantastic and ideal strain for beginner growers.
Flowering: 50 - 60 days
Yield: high
Height: 100 - 140 cm

Here's a description from "Rhinoseeds"...whoever they are. Still nothing about taste though.

This is a strong Sativa variety developed in the late 90’s FROM South African strains. PPP produces loads of crystal and has tremendous growth potential both indoors and out. Generally better results are obtained with outdoor cultivation in good conditions, if you’re a less experienced indoor grower. PPP is a high THC plant that’s why it’s called, Power Plant, in addition to its powerful growth. This variety gives you a soaring high.

Babs, you've had this before. What does it taste like?

Pffft, I WISH I had the joy of tasting to tell Jerry.
The fact is I really, REALLY want to grow it.
LOL...very interesting that you are given 2 totally different descriptions of PPP. Even funnier is that I have read a third that is entirely different.
I thought it was predominately sativa? I'm not sure now. I also recall a description of an "up and social" buzz.
I wish I could help on description of taste....
However, again, Boneman has grown this recently. Maybe I'll drop by his thread and ask.

 

[Babs34]

"Well".......I spoke (rather typed) before reading on. Yeap, that last one was more in line with what I read.
As for the other descriptions, I'm sure there are strains bred with various indicas from the original PPP that are claimed as the original. "Don't know"....purely speculating.
I want the SATIVA. Satori looked tempting.

 

[mared juwan]

Hey...if Mared is willing to adivse, I'm certainly willing to take his advice. All I can say to his blooms are just "Wow---strikingly beautiful."

Well thank you, my blooms are blushing What kind of advice do you need? I can tell you all the nutes I use and all that. I've tried a lot of different nutes and additives with coco and most work great but some are overpriced and some are just not necessary. Let me think about everything that I would not want to grow in coco without.

First of course would be a base nute. Any hydro nute will work provided you have a cal-mag supplement. Some nutes that are coco specific supposedly do not need the cal-mag but I would have it on hand anyway. I used AN Monkey Juice for more than a year but then my hydro store guy told me recently they stopped making it. So I switched to AN Sensi 2-part plus the Sensi Micro (cal-mag). I'm almost sure it's the same thing and they just want me to buy 3 bottles instead of 2. Ionic or GH Flora series (plus cal-mag) are good alternatives as I said before.

Next I would not go without AN Big Bud. Pricey but there's no other product like it that I know of. You only want to use the Big Bud for the first four weeks of flower.

After the first four weeks you want a bloom booster/flower hardener like Overdrive or Ionic Boost. I've used both and any P-K boost will probably do the job (I hear wonderful things about AN Hammerhead). Without a booster I have experienced premature shriveling and darkening of pistils. This is where soil people would use molasses but that is not advised for coco.

Finally you gotta have a potassium silicate supplement like AN Barricade. Makes for thicker stronger stems that hold your buds closer to the lights. And one bottle will last you five years LOL

That's it. I have used many other nutes before but those are the ones I would say are essential to my op. I'm testing AN Carbo Load right now and no differences are popping out at me yet but I'll give it some more test subjects to make my final decision. One last note is that I had a terrible time vegging plants when I first started with coco. Chemical nutes just seemed too strong and I couldn't find a balance between burn and deficient. I finally ended up using Botanicare Pure Blend Pro (the one that says "for hydrogardens") which is organic. Made things a lot easier. However, it doesn't seem to have enough P for coco (even though it says it's for coco on the label) and the stems will go very dark purple. I offset this by adding some Ionic Boost. Works beautifully.