There Is No Devil.

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zorkan

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anhedonia said:
Thats right. Just like thiese aberhamic religions are made up from thin air. The aberhamic god seems too primitive to ever spend a minute of devotion with. I could never knowingly worship something deep in my heart that I directly know down inside that every thought I would ever have was contrived. . Even christianitys only real link with reality, gnosticism, the nag hamadhi documents are considered heretical to christians and are rejected by christian monastics. Christianity is made up bull shit. There are other explinations for the phenomena. Its funny that Buddhist enlightenment requires no knowledge of how what you understand to be creation, ever came to be. If a buddhist ever asks how the world began he would be told to ask a scientist, plain and simple.
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some scientist believe in god and creation
 
CrackerJax

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shroomer33 said:
My church spends MILLIONS to help the poor and the not so poor. We have a free clinic for people who need doctor/dentist care, a free community center for people to use, numerous food banks for starving people to get food, and on and on.....

What do you, or any of your atheist friends, do to help your community?
Christians do this stuff because we have the Spirit of Christ AKA LOVE in us!
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Yes, the church takes in Billions and gives out Millions..... what am I missing?
 
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without satan people have to take full responsibility for their actions.
satan is not a villain, he's a crutch and a lame excuse.
 
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If Satan did exist, what would be his motivation to torment all of mankinds souls? Again, that's another thing I never understood... Why does Satan want to torture all these horrible people? Think about it... If Satan is the ultimate manifestation of evil, just like how God is supposed to be the ultimate manifestation of good, and all the people that get sent to hell who committed incredibly horrible acts on earth, wouldn't he throw a fuckin' party and thank them all for helping him out with all that evil shit? Wouldn't torturing all the evil souls be a favor for God in a way? He'd be enforcing God's ruling wouldn't he? He'd still be a slave to God, even though he fell from heaven...

shit just doesn't make any goddamn sense... come on you Chrsitians, give me an answer for that one.

And fish, tell me that story, what couldn't you explain that made you believe in God? I was serious, I can probably give you a rational explination for it.
 
anhedonia

anhedonia

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zorkan said:
some scientist believe in god and creation
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There are many smart people who believe in very ignorant things. They will never see the full picture. Like why did the illiterate monk who walked around the monastery sweeping reach enlightenment before the educated monks who spent thier days in study and debate? Despite being very uneducated he was able to percieve (if thats a good word) what reality truly was. As one zen master said about his enlightenment, "I eat when I eat, and I sleep when I sleep."
 
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PadawanBater said:
If Satan did exist, what would be his motivation to torment all of mankinds souls? Again, that's another thing I never understood... Why does Satan want to torture all these horrible people? Think about it... If Satan is the ultimate manifestation of evil, just like how God is supposed to be the ultimate manifestation of good, and all the people that get sent to hell who committed incredibly horrible acts on earth, wouldn't he throw a fuckin' party and thank them all for helping him out with all that evil shit? Wouldn't torturing all the evil souls be a favor for God in a way? He'd be enforcing God's ruling wouldn't he? He'd still be a slave to God, even though he fell from heaven...

shit just doesn't make any goddamn sense... come on you Chrsitians, give me an answer for that one.

And fish, tell me that story, what couldn't you explain that made you believe in God? I was serious, I can probably give you a rational explination for it.
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I always thought the concept was Satan was pissed at God so they've been fighting for our souls?
 
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Boogaloo Bud said:
I always thought the concept was Satan was pissed at God so they've been fighting for our souls?
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So did God have the idea of heaven/hell in mind before he cast Satan into hell, or was it created at the same time?

Did he create Lucifer knowing he would fall and he would then have to design a place for all the fallen souls that sinned? Essentailly creating this entire good v. evil, "I love you but you might be tortured for eternity" paradox...

What is Satans motivation to want to torture fallen souls? Why does he do it?
 
shroomer33

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Boogaloo Bud said:
I always thought the concept was Satan was pissed at God so they've been fighting for our souls?
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Satan isn't going to be tormenting anyone. Satan's power and authority is going to be stripped from him. Then he will be worthless and weak. His followers will see him for what he is: worthless and weak.
The torment of everlasting damnation is separation from all things good, righteous, and holy, AKA God.
 
shroomer33

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PadawanBater said:
And fish, tell me that story, what couldn't you explain that made you believe in God? I was serious, I can probably give you a rational explination for it.
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It wasn't fish. It was me.

Anyway, the veil that separates the battlefield of warring angels and demons and our physical plane was torn apart and I saw what lurked on the other side and how it pressed on our reality. I had no idea what I was looking at at the time. Over time and study, I began to understand what I was seeing/saw. Most people would have gone insane.
There is much more to this story than I can write here. It would take a pretty thick book.
 
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shroomer33 said:
It wasn't fish. It was me.

Anyway, the veil that separates the battlefield of warring angels and demons and our physical plane was torn apart and I saw what lurked on the other side and how it pressed on our reality. I had no idea what I was looking at at the time. Over time and study, I began to understand what I was seeing/saw. Most people would have gone insane.
There is much more to this story than I can write here. It would take a pretty thick book.
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Well, I'm not going anywhere...

Try to summarize it, and simplify it as much as possible.
 
shroomer33

shroomer33

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PadawanBater said:
And fish, tell me that story, what couldn't you explain that made you believe in God? I was serious, I can probably give you a rational explination for it.
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I have a rational explanation for it: The God of the Bible is real. Satan is real. Demons are real. Angels are real. The Holy Bible is true. Yeshua is real.
Look. I am not stupid. I am very rational. I understand quantum theory. I understand special relativity. I understand logic. I understand evolutionary theory. What makes you think your explanation of whatever I have experienced is better than my explanation? How many letters do you have behind your name?
Just because you don't understand what I say doesn't mean that I am wrong.

And I didn't see reptile people.
 
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zorkan

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anhedonia said:
There are many smart people who believe in very ignorant things. They will never see the full picture. ."
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:wall: wow, dude you said "If a buddhist ever asks how the world began he would be told to ask a scientist, plain and simple"

guess its not so plain and simple BECAUSE
some scientist believe in creation.
MEANING what good would it do to ask a scientist ok? got it? good atheist:clap:
 
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zorkan

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PadawanBater said:
If Satan did exist, what would be his motivation to torment all of mankinds souls? Again, that's another thing I never understood... Why does Satan want to torture all these horrible people? Think about it... If Satan is the ultimate manifestation of evil, just like how God is supposed to be the ultimate manifestation of good, and all the people that get sent to hell who committed incredibly horrible acts on earth, wouldn't he throw a fuckin' party and thank them all for helping him out with all that evil shit? Wouldn't torturing all the evil souls be a favor for God in a way? He'd be enforcing God's ruling wouldn't he? He'd still be a slave to God, even though he fell from heaven...

shit just doesn't make any goddamn sense... come on you Chrsitians, give me an answer for that one.

And fish, tell me that story, what couldn't you explain that made you believe in God? I was serious, I can probably give you a rational explination for it.
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look i dont know where god is but geez man you really dont have a clue what the bible teaches do you:?:
i am not gona speak for a christian but that would be an easy answer.. one of the dumbest post i seen yet :-P
 
g00sEgg

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shroomer33 said:
I have a rational explanation for it: The God of the Bible is real. Satan is real. Demons are real. Angels are real. The Holy Bible is true. Yeshua is real.
Look. I am not stupid. I am very rational. I understand quantum theory. I understand special relativity. I understand logic. I understand evolutionary theory. What makes you think your explanation of whatever I have experienced is better than my explanation? How many letters do you have behind your name?
Just because you don't understand what I say doesn't mean that I am wrong.

And I didn't see reptile people.
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Ok...so where is your rational explanation.
 
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