warisnottheanswer
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Blue Cheese, PPP, Thai SS...Jerry's Second Grow
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Jerry Garcia
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Just wanted to throw an interim update out there. I officially gave up on the Chocolope. After digging up the seed it appeared to have tried to open, but it split perpendicularly to the line upon which the seed is supposed to open. Kinda weird...but probably indicates it was a faulty seed and not poor germination techniques. Oh well, you win some and you lose some. I planted a blue widow to take it's place. I don't think the Moby Dick is going to make it either. I'll give it another day or so but it's as good as dead.
I snapped a couple pics of the flower room just for fun. Everyone is doing well in there. Bagseed plants are almost ready for harvest...probably gonna give them another week or so. A couple buds became too heavy for their stem and starting falling over on one bagseed plant. Rather than stake them up I just chopped and trimmed them up. Should be ready to start curing in a day or two. They don't look too spectacular, but if they get me high I'll be happy enough.
Here's the flower room. Two bagseeds in the front, PPP on the left the next row back. Blue Cheese A next to that, and BC B behind that. Sprawling in the back and around the sides is the Thai Super Skunk.
Slightly different view...
This one shows the supercropping pretty well. You can't quite tell, but some of the branches that have come off this main branch have grown 3+ nodes and are looking good. Blue Cheese B is in the bottom front right.
I snapped a couple pics of the flower room just for fun. Everyone is doing well in there. Bagseed plants are almost ready for harvest...probably gonna give them another week or so. A couple buds became too heavy for their stem and starting falling over on one bagseed plant. Rather than stake them up I just chopped and trimmed them up. Should be ready to start curing in a day or two. They don't look too spectacular, but if they get me high I'll be happy enough.
Here's the flower room. Two bagseeds in the front, PPP on the left the next row back. Blue Cheese A next to that, and BC B behind that. Sprawling in the back and around the sides is the Thai Super Skunk.
Slightly different view...
This one shows the supercropping pretty well. You can't quite tell, but some of the branches that have come off this main branch have grown 3+ nodes and are looking good. Blue Cheese B is in the bottom front right.
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jrk152
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great looking stuff, it must smell incredible in that flowering room.
I'm having the same problem with the lower leaves going yellow prematurely, just starting wk 4 of flowering and the yellowing has crept upto the third node for my white widow and skunk plants, interestingly hasn't affected my two mama mia plants as badly.. genetics?
So I fed them with some nutes once a week for the past two weeks and the day after each watering the top leaves go all dark green and claw-like, which I've now learnt from reading your past posts that this is N toxicity.. but the lower leaves still stay yellow.
Have you been able to find a way to fix this?
Don't mean to hijack your thread.. just thought you might be able to help as we have the same problem
I'm having the same problem with the lower leaves going yellow prematurely, just starting wk 4 of flowering and the yellowing has crept upto the third node for my white widow and skunk plants, interestingly hasn't affected my two mama mia plants as badly.. genetics?
So I fed them with some nutes once a week for the past two weeks and the day after each watering the top leaves go all dark green and claw-like, which I've now learnt from reading your past posts that this is N toxicity.. but the lower leaves still stay yellow.
Have you been able to find a way to fix this?
Don't mean to hijack your thread.. just thought you might be able to help as we have the same problem
Jerry Garcia
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I think in my situation the lower leaf yellowing is caused form insufficient light penetration to that portion of the plant. My plants are all a couple feet tall now, so they tops are getting a TON of excellent HPS loving while the lower branches get left behind. My top leaves are nice and dark green, so really I'm just concerned with keeping that portion of the plant as healthy as possible.
I've gone and thinned out some of the lower branches that appeared to be more of a drain on the plant than anything (especially on that Thai SS), kinda like lollipopping, though what I have done is nowhere near that severe. So I could probably rig up some CFL's to help illuminate the lower portion of the plants but that is just more work and hassle than I think it's worth for a few popcorn buds.
I've gone and thinned out some of the lower branches that appeared to be more of a drain on the plant than anything (especially on that Thai SS), kinda like lollipopping, though what I have done is nowhere near that severe. So I could probably rig up some CFL's to help illuminate the lower portion of the plants but that is just more work and hassle than I think it's worth for a few popcorn buds.
Jerry Garcia
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Happy October/Fall!
Things have been chugging along here at my secret garden...not too much has changed over the past week or so since my last update, but I'll try to recount the week's activities as best as I can...let me just pack up a little more of this Matanuska Mist (at least that what it's supposed to be) and we'll get down to business!
We'll start with the seeds. The Chocolope and Moby Dick both did not make it...too bad, because that Chocolope was the main reason I placed my most recent seed order. I think it was a bad seed, and not anything I did during germination that prevented it from sprouting. I dug up the Moby Dick and found that it did indeed sprout a taproot, but it died after only reaching 1" in length. Not too sure if I caused this one or not, but whatever.
I replaced these failed seeds with two more from my stash...this time going with Chiesel and Blue Widow. Both have sprouted and are about 3 or 4 days old, looking fine. The LSD and OG Kush have both continued growing and look good. I didn't take any pics of them this morning, but I'll throw some up later.
All the clones are doing well. I'm starting to think FIMMING does little more than TOP the plant, just topping through a node instead of above it. I've fimmed a fair amount of plants now and haven't seen any more than 4 colas produced. I guess you could get more if you trained as well, but that flies in the face of the "logic" that fimming alone can produce 6+ colas. It is an effective way to top your plants though. And that's all I have to say about that.
Anyway, I finally took some pics of the flowering girls. Let's take a look...
Here's Blue Cheese A. As you can see, she's got quite the lean on her. Probably have to stake that up sometime soon. This girl is a little shorter than Blue Cheese B, and grew slower than B...but her smell so far is much more pungent than B. Very strong Blueberry odor compared to B.
Here's one of the tops of BCA. Looks very healthy up here, but not so healthy down at the bottom of the plant. Not too crystally yet, but a little more so than what the picture reveals.
Next we have Blue Cheese B. Bigger tops and a little taller (and better able to support its buds) but not quite as pungent as A. Should be fun to compare the smoke of each!
Here's a good one of the two main colas.
Here's a close up...a little blurry, but you get the idea.
Here's the PPP. Again, very healthy up top, but after a certain point is just gets really yellowed and there is little/no bud growth. As I've said before I believe it is the lack of light penetration that is causing this problem...there is just too much canopy to allow the light to reach down to the bottom. Definitely something to consider as I move the next crop into the flower room.
Anyway, this top half of the plant looks fantastic. It's starting to show some nice trichome development too...but again you can't really tell from the pic.
One more shot...
Finally, the Thai Super Skunk. Still sprawling in the back (and drooping a little because she's thirsty). You can see how many "tops" supercropping created.
Here's another shot.
So that's it for the flowering plants. I'll get pics of the vegging ones up later.
As a side note, I've elected to alternate between my HPS conversion bulb and my Metal Halide bulb in the flower room. I'll probably give the metal halide a day or two and switch back to the HPS for another few days, just to give a nice mixing of the spectrums. It's not quite having a dual arc bulb but it should help out the quality of the final product. At least I hope it will.
Things have been chugging along here at my secret garden...not too much has changed over the past week or so since my last update, but I'll try to recount the week's activities as best as I can...let me just pack up a little more of this Matanuska Mist (at least that what it's supposed to be) and we'll get down to business!
We'll start with the seeds. The Chocolope and Moby Dick both did not make it...too bad, because that Chocolope was the main reason I placed my most recent seed order. I think it was a bad seed, and not anything I did during germination that prevented it from sprouting. I dug up the Moby Dick and found that it did indeed sprout a taproot, but it died after only reaching 1" in length. Not too sure if I caused this one or not, but whatever.
I replaced these failed seeds with two more from my stash...this time going with Chiesel and Blue Widow. Both have sprouted and are about 3 or 4 days old, looking fine. The LSD and OG Kush have both continued growing and look good. I didn't take any pics of them this morning, but I'll throw some up later.
All the clones are doing well. I'm starting to think FIMMING does little more than TOP the plant, just topping through a node instead of above it. I've fimmed a fair amount of plants now and haven't seen any more than 4 colas produced. I guess you could get more if you trained as well, but that flies in the face of the "logic" that fimming alone can produce 6+ colas. It is an effective way to top your plants though. And that's all I have to say about that.
Anyway, I finally took some pics of the flowering girls. Let's take a look...
Here's Blue Cheese A. As you can see, she's got quite the lean on her. Probably have to stake that up sometime soon. This girl is a little shorter than Blue Cheese B, and grew slower than B...but her smell so far is much more pungent than B. Very strong Blueberry odor compared to B.
Here's one of the tops of BCA. Looks very healthy up here, but not so healthy down at the bottom of the plant. Not too crystally yet, but a little more so than what the picture reveals.
Next we have Blue Cheese B. Bigger tops and a little taller (and better able to support its buds) but not quite as pungent as A. Should be fun to compare the smoke of each!
Here's a good one of the two main colas.
Here's a close up...a little blurry, but you get the idea.
Here's the PPP. Again, very healthy up top, but after a certain point is just gets really yellowed and there is little/no bud growth. As I've said before I believe it is the lack of light penetration that is causing this problem...there is just too much canopy to allow the light to reach down to the bottom. Definitely something to consider as I move the next crop into the flower room.
Anyway, this top half of the plant looks fantastic. It's starting to show some nice trichome development too...but again you can't really tell from the pic.
One more shot...
Finally, the Thai Super Skunk. Still sprawling in the back (and drooping a little because she's thirsty). You can see how many "tops" supercropping created.
Here's another shot.
So that's it for the flowering plants. I'll get pics of the vegging ones up later.
As a side note, I've elected to alternate between my HPS conversion bulb and my Metal Halide bulb in the flower room. I'll probably give the metal halide a day or two and switch back to the HPS for another few days, just to give a nice mixing of the spectrums. It's not quite having a dual arc bulb but it should help out the quality of the final product. At least I hope it will.
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mared juwan
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Awesome Jerry. That Thai SS looks like something out of a Dr Seuss book LOL. Is there a Lorax hiding in the branches? But yea they all look great bro. I would just lollipop em 1/3 of the way up next round. I always cut those lower branches off. But I heard a rumor that the cut used for the Green House cheese I grow was BB Blue Cheese?!?!? I knew it wasn't real UK Cheese but the good news is that it is still pretty good so I think yours will be too. I just cut down my second round of it and it stinks like crazy! No blueberry just extreme sweet cheesy kushiness. Anyways things seem to be going great for you. Nice job.
Jerry Garcia
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That first Thai SS pic sure does look Dr. Seuss like now that you mention it...haha. It'll look more normal after I water it later.
As for lollipopping, you can see I did that already with the Thai. I could always grow fewer plants and allow for better light penetration...or I can get more t5's and run them along the lower portions of the plant...or I could grow shorter plants with lots of tops...
So many options. I'd like to deduce the method that will provide the highest consistent yield, and I guess that has to come from experience. I'm still more interested in producing quality bud than a large quantity of it, but I'd like to at least get the most out of my setup...
As for lollipopping, you can see I did that already with the Thai. I could always grow fewer plants and allow for better light penetration...or I can get more t5's and run them along the lower portions of the plant...or I could grow shorter plants with lots of tops...
So many options. I'd like to deduce the method that will provide the highest consistent yield, and I guess that has to come from experience. I'm still more interested in producing quality bud than a large quantity of it, but I'd like to at least get the most out of my setup...
hemphopper
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Hi Jerry
Man, what a beautiful grow! your plants look amazing and you are going to be a very high botanist indeed! I cut my BB Cheese last week, all dried and in curing jars. It smokes great but will be smoother after full cure. I was fertilizing with liquid seaweed & fish emulsion, pretty organic, and i really didn't go outa my way to flush. that bb cheese is some stoney shit i gotta say! I miss having an active grow and will start up again before too long. your beautiful plants are inspiring me to set up a flowering area with HPS. I did mine under 8 4 ft t5's supplemented with 8 42 W cfls at the end. 10 pint jars full of dry bud and i'm happy. Your gonna have a lot of quality smoke! Lookin good!
Best,
H
Man, what a beautiful grow! your plants look amazing and you are going to be a very high botanist indeed! I cut my BB Cheese last week, all dried and in curing jars. It smokes great but will be smoother after full cure. I was fertilizing with liquid seaweed & fish emulsion, pretty organic, and i really didn't go outa my way to flush. that bb cheese is some stoney shit i gotta say! I miss having an active grow and will start up again before too long. your beautiful plants are inspiring me to set up a flowering area with HPS. I did mine under 8 4 ft t5's supplemented with 8 42 W cfls at the end. 10 pint jars full of dry bud and i'm happy. Your gonna have a lot of quality smoke! Lookin good!
Best,
H
Jerry Garcia
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I said I would include some pics of the vegging plants, so here they are!
Here you can see the 5 clones. 1 PPP, 2 BCA and 2 BCB. I'm not certain which is which exactly. You can see these little girls are suffering from the same leaf tip curling issue as their parents. Whatever. The curl has completely disappeared in the parents since they've been in flower though, and it didn't seem to affect their growth, so I'm not worried. Just looks kinda stupid.
Next, the we have the LSD (right) and the OG Kush (left). The LSD stretched a little but is doing much better of late. I'll bury the stem more when I repot. As for the Kush...it's hard to say why it's so droopy. The soil isn't that dry and the LSD seems to be responding favorably to similar conditions. I think it may be that they've been under 24/0 light and it's probably not good for seedlings. I'm sure it will perk up sometime.
Next, the two newborns. Both have been growing a little wonky in the last day, but nothing too out of the ordinary. They've since been moved from the clone chamber to the veg room, which means they'll be under 18/6 with everyone else! Hooray.
Finally an in-situ shot of the rearranged veg shelf. 8 cfl's for 9 plants...what am I doing with 9 plants in veg?!?!?! I don't have room for all this!
Here you can see the 5 clones. 1 PPP, 2 BCA and 2 BCB. I'm not certain which is which exactly. You can see these little girls are suffering from the same leaf tip curling issue as their parents. Whatever. The curl has completely disappeared in the parents since they've been in flower though, and it didn't seem to affect their growth, so I'm not worried. Just looks kinda stupid.
Next, the we have the LSD (right) and the OG Kush (left). The LSD stretched a little but is doing much better of late. I'll bury the stem more when I repot. As for the Kush...it's hard to say why it's so droopy. The soil isn't that dry and the LSD seems to be responding favorably to similar conditions. I think it may be that they've been under 24/0 light and it's probably not good for seedlings. I'm sure it will perk up sometime.
Next, the two newborns. Both have been growing a little wonky in the last day, but nothing too out of the ordinary. They've since been moved from the clone chamber to the veg room, which means they'll be under 18/6 with everyone else! Hooray.
Finally an in-situ shot of the rearranged veg shelf. 8 cfl's for 9 plants...what am I doing with 9 plants in veg?!?!?! I don't have room for all this!
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hemphopper
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It's simple - "Jerry's Home for Lost Girls" No one turned away, the lord will provide. Hallelulia!! They are beautiful
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theloadeddragon
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just wondering what your take is on the TSS.....
I would like to know how you FEEL about growing it...... and then once its done I would really appreciate your smoke report...... also, a rundown of its preferrences would be greatly appreciated (its tolerances to nutes, water, heat stress, etc. etc.)
I would like to know how you FEEL about growing it...... and then once its done I would really appreciate your smoke report...... also, a rundown of its preferrences would be greatly appreciated (its tolerances to nutes, water, heat stress, etc. etc.)
tom__420
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https://www.rollitup.org/seed-strain-reviews/225467-g13-labs-thai-super-skunk.html
There is a pretty good review of the strain. I grew it and it produced some nice sized buds. They smelled of chocolate at some points during flowering, real nice
There is a pretty good review of the strain. I grew it and it produced some nice sized buds. They smelled of chocolate at some points during flowering, real nice
Jerry Garcia
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How do I FEEL about growing the Thai SS...well the seeds were free, so I don't feel too invested there.
It acts very much like a sativa...it flowers very slowly and wants to be 12' tall. I topped at an early age and have done some serious supercropping in flower and it has responded well to both. Just be prepared for the height.
It seems to be able to take a moderate amount of nutrients with no problems (all organic), though it does suck through water faster than my Blue Cheese and PPP.
It's been very resistant to heat stress, as it's endured temps in the mid 90's for most of the summer.
The only real problem I've had with it is the light penetration from my 400w. It's so tall the canopy obstructs so much light that there isn't enough to hit those lower branches. Might be a different story with a 1000 watter or a larger grow space.
I honestly don't think I would grow this strain again (unless I moved or I could grow it outside). I've got seriously limited flowering space and this 14+ week monster will be taking up a chunk of that space for quite some time. Maybe I'll feel different once it's finished and I get to smoke some of it, but it's just so freaking big!
That's about all I can think of at the moment. I'd be happy to answer any other specific questions you have about growing it.
The Cheese Is Dank
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Jerry, i have a quick question for you about adding moisture to dry bud in mason jars, ive heard i can use orange peels, but i dont want my buds to smell like oranges, i want them to retain their unique smells, so my question is, how do i add moisture to the dry buds withought affecting the smells of the strains?
theloadeddragon
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I was thinking about strains I could take out and leave for a season on a drip from a natural full time spring....... sounds like it may work out
thank you for the input.....
I haven't been impressed by any TSS i have seen at all.... not in the least...... accept the first time I saw it..... was fantastic, and completely different than anything I have seen since....
its kind of funny because the strain I am actually most interested in that you are growing is PPP.... as I kind of have a mystery plant that I have been calling PPP but am not 100% sure... its in my 09 outdoor journal if you want to take a look and share your thoughts....
thank you for the input.....
I haven't been impressed by any TSS i have seen at all.... not in the least...... accept the first time I saw it..... was fantastic, and completely different than anything I have seen since....
its kind of funny because the strain I am actually most interested in that you are growing is PPP.... as I kind of have a mystery plant that I have been calling PPP but am not 100% sure... its in my 09 outdoor journal if you want to take a look and share your thoughts....