smoker toker
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look a few pages back then at my post where I tossed out the idea that time doesn't exist
... bet they didn't cover that idea.. hehe 
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Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is
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... bet they didn't cover that idea.. hehe Smoker Toker 
morgentaler
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I'm still wondering where the original poster went...
They make this topic with "proof" and then spout a bunch of babble in the first post that doesn't prove anything.
It's no better than the YouTube videos that say "Proof of God", then spend 10 minutes explaining how proof is "we don't know this yet. or this. or that".
Ignorance is proof of god? That certainly explains a few things.
They make this topic with "proof" and then spout a bunch of babble in the first post that doesn't prove anything.
It's no better than the YouTube videos that say "Proof of God", then spend 10 minutes explaining how proof is "we don't know this yet. or this. or that".
Ignorance is proof of god? That certainly explains a few things.
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PadawanBater
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lmfao, dude you're on a roll!
morgentaler
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If Christianity is the natural order of things, why does it need to be indoctrinated?
Why isn't every inhabitant of the planet a Christian?
Why does "God", who created everything have to admonish his followers not to worship other gods?
Why is God powerless to deal with Satan, his own creation?
If he is not powerless, yet allows evil* to continue he is not only the bystander, but the architect of evil.
The son of Winston Churchill said it best, "Isn't God a shit?!"**
* evil being a subjective concept influenced by culture and upbringing.
** God would make a good villain in a movie.
Why isn't every inhabitant of the planet a Christian?
Why does "God", who created everything have to admonish his followers not to worship other gods?
Why is God powerless to deal with Satan, his own creation?
If he is not powerless, yet allows evil* to continue he is not only the bystander, but the architect of evil.
The son of Winston Churchill said it best, "Isn't God a shit?!"**
* evil being a subjective concept influenced by culture and upbringing.
** God would make a good villain in a movie.
Stoney McFried
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Morgantaler, I love you.So far, every comment on this particular subject you have made has been rep worthy.
CrackerJax
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That son of Churchill was story is priceless.
here is a quick excerpt from the book on Churchill. I can't remember the exact title of the book. It's at my other home, but I do remember that little story.... I laughed for about a minute after reading it.
Here's the jist of it.
Winston Churchill's son Randolph somehow contrived to remain ignorant of scripture until Evelyn Waugh and a brother officer, in a vain attempt to keep Churchill quiet when they were posted together during the war, bet him he couldn't read the entire Bible in a fortnight: 'Unhappily it has not had the result we hoped. He has never read any of it before and is hideously excited; keeps reading quotations aloud "I say I bet you didn't know this came in the Bible . . . " or merely slapping his side & chortling "God, isn't God a sh**!"
+++ I remember now, it was Roosevelt & Churchill. Name of the book that is. It's a great read.
here is a quick excerpt from the book on Churchill. I can't remember the exact title of the book. It's at my other home, but I do remember that little story.... I laughed for about a minute after reading it.
Here's the jist of it.
Winston Churchill's son Randolph somehow contrived to remain ignorant of scripture until Evelyn Waugh and a brother officer, in a vain attempt to keep Churchill quiet when they were posted together during the war, bet him he couldn't read the entire Bible in a fortnight: 'Unhappily it has not had the result we hoped. He has never read any of it before and is hideously excited; keeps reading quotations aloud "I say I bet you didn't know this came in the Bible . . . " or merely slapping his side & chortling "God, isn't God a sh**!"
+++ I remember now, it was Roosevelt & Churchill. Name of the book that is. It's a great read.
morgentaler
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Thanks Stoney 
It's good to be loved. Especially for an opinion that a lot of people would happily murder me for having
CrackerJax: Dawkins refers to it in The God Delusion. I have the audio book, rather than the print version. Is it excerpted from something else?
It's good to be loved. Especially for an opinion that a lot of people would happily murder me for having CrackerJax: Dawkins refers to it in The God Delusion. I have the audio book, rather than the print version. Is it excerpted from something else?
CrackerJax
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It's a well known story and Dawkins is British so.... 
But yes, if you are interested in some of the "behind the scenes" look at the dynamics of these two giants (Roosevelt & Churchill) dealing with the war and EACH other.... then get the book. It is a great piece of history with tons of personal letters from Winston... and the anecdotal idiosyncrasies of Churchill are not to be missed!!
But yes, if you are interested in some of the "behind the scenes" look at the dynamics of these two giants (Roosevelt & Churchill) dealing with the war and EACH other.... then get the book. It is a great piece of history with tons of personal letters from Winston... and the anecdotal idiosyncrasies of Churchill are not to be missed!!
Stoney McFried
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Dawkins was on Bill Maher last week I believe...I don't know, my dvr recorded it and I just watched it last night.
CrackerJax
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Voted smartest guy in the UK....... imagine that.
morgentaler
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I haven't picked up Dawkins' latest book, but I've been reading The Selfish Gene and there's some amazing stuff in there.
The explanation of evolution in base molecules to achieve complex molecules and eventually simple life is elegant and easy to grasp. I'd never really thought about abiogenesis before, and was more interested in what happened after life was already started. But it's really quite similar.
And it's a shame people forgo learning things like that because of an imaginary friend who tortures those who question him.
The explanation of evolution in base molecules to achieve complex molecules and eventually simple life is elegant and easy to grasp. I'd never really thought about abiogenesis before, and was more interested in what happened after life was already started. But it's really quite similar.
And it's a shame people forgo learning things like that because of an imaginary friend who tortures those who question him.
anhedonia
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Havnt read selfish gene but isnt that the book where he first talks about "memes"?
morgentaler
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morgentaler
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Nope. There's nothing interesting about Christianity.
It's an old meme. Totally played out.
Like those Chuck Norris jokes.
Brazko
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I wanted to pass this On to you, this is from "3 Roads to Quantum Gravity" by Lee Smolin; it covers the basic prinicples of what I was trying to explain, however, I don't think in written formulas, but more so in Formulated Imagery., where as, I'm not making shit Up, but Have studied formulas and scientific principles..., then apply them in real time, with the accumulated knowledge I have gained, which I further translate into a real time Working Knowledge, which is further interpeted and used to decipher that which is unknown..., A method used by All Great Minds, and No, I'm not insinuating Anything.... Maybe
, but this information is not the actual info I used to come to this conclusion, actually I cannot tell you where I came across the information, so much I have acquired, I just find it easier to connect the Image vs. connecting the 4 chalk boards of (3) formulas , None the less, It was something that I formulated into my present day working Knowledge....Furthermore, it can not be put into a infallible formula, b cause our tools are still Primitive and in the Words of the Author.."We know the principles of the theory and we can deduce from them the basic equations that define the theory. But we cannot actually solve these equations, or even prove that they are mathematically consistent......, the Procedure used is Called Perturbation Theory" In this instance they are using"quantum electrodynamics" aka QED as the basis..,Luckily Our mind can Forego this Handicap as Well...
Here Goes
"Quantum theory says that for every wave there is an associated particle. For electromagnetic waves there is the Photon. For electrons there is the electron Wave (the wave-function). The wave doesn't even have to be something fundamental. When I strike a tuning fork I set up waves that travel up and down it: these are sound waves travelling in metal. Quantum theory associates a particle with such sound Waves; it is called a phonon. Suppose I disturb the empty space around us by making a gravitational wave.. THis can be done by waving around anything with mass -- one of my arms will do, or a giant pair of nuetron stars. A gravitational wave can be understood as a tiny ripple moving against a background, which is the empty space.."
an early stumbled upon observation and method used to discover the rest of our outer laying planets, and so on..
"The particle associated with gravitational waves is called the graviton. No one has ever observed a graviton. It is hard enough even to detect a gravitational wave, as they interact only very weakly with matter. But as long as quantum theory applies to gravitational waves, gravitons must exist. We know that gravitons must interact with matter, for when anything massive oscillates it produces gravitational waves. Quantum theory says that, just as there are photons associated with light, there must be gravitons associated with gravitational waves.
We know that two gravitons will interact with each other. This is because gravitons interact with anything that has energy, and gravitons themselves carry energy. As with the photon, the energy of a graviton is proportional to its frequency, so the higher the frequency of a graviton, the more strongly it will interact with another graviton. We can then ask what happens when two gravitons interact. We know that they will scatter from each other, changing the trajectories.."
they further use QED to explain this interaction, and to further note that they do not really fully understand QED... and only assumptions about the nature of the solutions leads to a procedure of calculating approximately what happens... Perturbation Theory..
Right now this is about as Written formula I can give You, but did so because, I had a hint of that you earnestly wished to know..
note: you all may continue with your selfish Ignorance now..
Ahh Mee 2 Some Booteeee
IAm5toned
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its ll good... formulated imagery was first attributed to einstein i believe (thought experiments)I wanted to pass this On to you, this is from "3 Roads to Quantum Gravity" by Lee Smolin; it covers the basic prinicples of what I was trying to explain, however, I don't think in written formulas, but more so in Formulated Imagery., where as, I'm not making shit Up, but Have studied formulas and scientific principles..., then apply them in real time, with the accumulated knowledge I have gained, which I further translate into a real time Working Knowledge, which is further interpeted and used to decipher that which is unknown..., A method used by All Great Minds, and No, I'm not insinuating Anything.... Maybe
Luckily Our mind can Forego this Handicap as Well...
Here Goes
"Quantum theory says that for every wave there is an associated particle. For electromagnetic waves there is the Photon. For electrons there is the electron Wave (the wave-function). The wave doesn't even have to be something fundamental. When I strike a tuning fork I set up waves that travel up and down it: these are sound waves travelling in metal. Quantum theory associates a particle with such sound Waves; it is called a phonon. Suppose I disturb the empty space around us by making a gravitational wave.. THis can be done by waving around anything with mass -- one of my arms will do, or a giant pair of nuetron stars. A gravitational wave can be understood as a tiny ripple moving against a background, which is the empty space.."
an early stumbled upon observation and method used to discover the rest of our outer laying planets, and so on..
"The particle associated with gravitational waves is called the graviton. No one has ever observed a graviton. It is hard enough even to detect a gravitational wave, as they interact only very weakly with matter. But as long as quantum theory applies to gravitational waves, gravitons must exist. We know that gravitons must interact with matter, for when anything massive oscillates it produces gravitational waves. Quantum theory says that, just as there are photons associated with light, there must be gravitons associated with gravitational waves.
We know that two gravitons will interact with each other. This is because gravitons interact with anything that has energy, and gravitons themselves carry energy. As with the photon, the energy of a graviton is proportional to its frequency, so the higher the frequency of a graviton, the more strongly it will interact with another graviton. We can then ask what happens when two gravitons interact. We know that they will scatter from each other, changing the trajectories.."
they further use QED to explain this interaction, and to further note that they do not really fully understand QED... and only assumptions about the nature of the solutions leads to a procedure of calculating approximately what happens... Perturbation Theory..
Right now this is about as Written formula I can give You, but did so because, I had a hint of that you earnestly wished to know..
note: you all may continue with your selfish Ignorance now..
Ahh Mee 2 Some Booteeee
and i like the example, it makes what your saying easily visualized, and also i see how i originally misunderstood your original point...
whats your thoughts on the higgs particle? pipedream or eminent fact?
Brazko
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Hmmmm. never heard of it, but glad you mentioned them. Something else I can dig into,.....I Like to Learn
, Thanks!!!Can you give me some general background on the subject....?
I'm Currently in the Mist of Reading The Tao of Physics, Real Good Book... I could've read through it by now, but I'm a lover Tho'... I like to take my time with it, and let the information Marinate and get a good understanding of what I read before I push ON... Good Insights So Far.. 5stars