Arguing with Leftists

Stoney McFried

Well-Known Member
Somebody obviously divorced you and it pissed you off, huh?



Marriage was created as a way to establish ownership of a woman and her property.It was also a means to ensure the paternity of children,because it granted him and only him the right to sexual favors from the woman he had married.It ensured the woman would be cared for in the event of the man's death, and that the children who shared his name would inherit his properties and holdings.
Voting is a right guaranteed by the Constitution. Marriage on the other hand is not a right but an institution created by man to protect children, not for the narcissistic desires of the parents. In fact, combating the narcissistic desires of the parents is the primary reason for marriage.






No, the same logic does not apply in the case of siblings, as any issue from such a marriage has an increased risk of birth defects and deformities.See inbreeding.
However, if more than two consenting adults wish to be married,I see no reason they cannot.Even in the Bible, polygamy was practiced.So any moral argument against that on religious grounds is a contradiction.
Marriage has always been far more than just something two people do because they want to. First, we all need permission to get married. Marriage is also controlled by law. Siblings can not marry and people can not marry more than one person. If we re-define marriage to include same sex marriage, we MUST also allow those that wish to to marry their siblings or to marry more than one person because the same logic applies.






Perhaps in your world "I think this" and "I believe this" are a good enough reason for things to be done your way, but in the real world,most people would demand proof to support what you say regarding traditional marriage and its wonderful benefits as opposed to other lifestyles.Otherwise its just your opinion.
But the main reasons I defend traditional marriage are not tangible ones. I defend traditional marriage because I feel that men and women both contribute different things to the dynamic and that these things are meant to compliment each other and form a synergy that would be absent otherwise. It's kind of like the Yin and the Yang, or like peanut butter and jelly, they simply go together. It is as silly to me to ask for proof of this as to ask for proof that peanut butter and jelly belong together.






Wow.This sounds like socialism to me, Mr. Conservative.Yeah, let's have the state interfere in every custody case regardless of the unique individuals involved and their respective situations and force them to raise their children in exactly the way RickWhite thinks they should be!Fucking NOT!:roll:
I also think that children have rights and that one of these rights ought to be to have a stable home with a Mother and father. In fact, I believe that children of divorce should automatically be assigned a lawyer by the state and that a lawsuit regarding their interests should be filed on their behalf. I believe that children should automatically be entitled to damages in the event that their parents divorce and I think the parents should be prohibited from any further cohabitation until the children are 21 years of age. Another thing I think is called for is for children of divorced parents to be placed in their own home and the parents should stay at that home during their visitation time so that the lives of the children shall remain normal and uncomplicated. It is wrong and unfair to schlep the kids from one world to another. The kids didn't fuck up the home with their selfish ways so why should they be punished.








Yeah, a scrap of paper obtained at the courthouse is the bedrock of the family, the country, its values!Because you don't truly love one another unless you're A. A man and a woman and B.Willing to "verify" those feelings through a legal or religious ceremony that really does nothing more than determine how the property is divided if you decide to break up.


Because only marriage can determine love!Only in marriage can anyone have children or a family!Only a man and woman together can raise a child!All other familial configurations,no matter how loving or nurturing,are wrong because they can't be verified on paper!
You know, the reason folks accuse you of being a homophobe,sexist, and bigot is because you sure do argue just like one. The louder one screams about homosexuals not getting the right to marry,the more one sounds like he dislikes them because of the things they do in the privacy of their own bedroom.The more interested one is in the doings of others in their private bedrooms,the more it makes one wonder if that person isn't really doing anything that interests them in their own.
I'm sure you'll argue now about me being one of those damn leftists that multiquotes and takes your entire argument out of context.The reason folks feel the need to do such a thing is because many of the things you say need to be addressed on an individual basis.If you cannot keep up, too bad for you.
But see, all this demonstrates that issues of marriage are not as simple as letting people smoke pot if they wish. Marriage is a complex issue that involves more than what two adults feel like doing. Marriage has been one of the great bedrock institutions of all successful societies. It is not something that we can just change Willy nilly.
 

PVS

Active Member
You don't know what you are talking about. I just love it when someone talks like a smart ass and then makes a fool of himself. What you are describing is below:

Description of Composition


The fallacy of Composition is committed when a conclusion is drawn about a whole based on the features of its constituents when, in fact, no justification provided for the inference. There are actually two types of this fallacy, both of which are known by the same name (because of the high degree of similarity).
The first type of fallacy of Composition arises when a person reasons from the characteristics of individual members of a class or group to a conclusion regarding the characteristics of the entire class or group (taken as a whole). More formally, the "reasoning" would look something like this.
  1. Individual F things have characteristics A, B, C, etc.
  2. Therefore, the (whole) class of F things has characteristics A, B, C, etc.
This line of reasoning is fallacious because the mere fact that individuals have certain characteristics does not, in itself, guarantee that the class (taken as a whole) has those characteristics.

You are however correct that I am generalizing. Just because someone like yourself is a dumb ass and a Liberal does not necessarily make all Liberals as dumb as you. But it is a common trait.

god i hate being one of those people who posts dictionary definitions but so be it:


straw man
Function: noun
Date: 1886
1 : a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted
2 : a person set up to serve as a cover for a usually questionable transaction

http://www.aolsvc.merriam-webster.aol.com/dictionary/strawman

now, you cunning genius wordsmith, explain to me how i along with the english dictionaries are full of shit.

*holding breath in white-knuckled anticipation*
 

JustAnotherFriedDay

Well-Known Member
Generalizing might be fun for you, but it is never an accurate portrayal of anything.

The easter bunny gives children candy, does this mean ALL rabbits are hiding secret stashes of tasty confections?

It's even more ridiculous that you assert republicans are ALWAYS on the correct side of the argument. If that were actually the case, then why is the republican party shrinking? Are 80% of Americans completely witless, or is it perhaps time you took a step back and evaluated your own politics and consider that maybe it's YOU who is on the wrong side of the debate?
If you think the republican party is diminishing by any means you are in denial. Do you really think the democratic party (the white house essentially) has anything to show for the last 9 months? Not much.
 

JustAnotherFriedDay

Well-Known Member
But the main reasons I defend traditional marriage are not tangible ones. I defend traditional marriage because I feel that men and women both contribute different things to the dynamic and that these things are meant to compliment each other and form a synergy that would be absent otherwise. It's kind of like the Yin and the Yang, or like peanut butter and jelly, they simply go together. It is as silly to me to ask for proof of this as to ask for proof that peanut butter and jelly belong together.
You are simply talking about the polarity of masculine and feminine energies and how they work with each other. That's all attraction needs.

In traditional relationships, the man plays the masculine and the woman plays the feminine generally speaking.

However, in woman-woman and man-man intimacies the roles can be played by either.

That is the whole reason gays and lesbians attract to each other, or anybody for that matter. It's the display of your sexual essence, whatever that may be for you.

Again, typically for straight men its masculine and straight women its feminine.

For homosexuals, sexual essence can very.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Obama got elected on making generalizations.... it's the grand tool of the left. They have to be general, the specifics scare the heck out of normal ppl.
 
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Illegal Smile

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Obama got elected on making generalizations.... it's the grand tool of the left. They have to be general, the specifics scare the heck out of normal ppl.
I'd go further than that. They go beyond obfuscating through generalization and right on into misrepresentation. In fact, liberals have to misrepresent who and what they are or the vast majority would oppose the. That's why they never call a tax a tax.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Ur most welcome.... I stand by that. So does the majority of the country.... as you are witnessing right now. The left is in a landslide.... but can't see or admit it. It's okay.... the rest of us get it.
 

PVS

Active Member
Ur most welcome.... I stand by that. So does the majority of the country.... as you are witnessing right now. The left is in a landslide.... but can't see or admit it. It's okay.... the rest of us get it.
you stand by a directly self-contradicting and hypocritical statement? yeah i figured.

also, it must be the majority if you just say so. after all, this is the internet.
 

Wordz

Well-Known Member
Obama got elected on making generalizations.... it's the grand tool of the left. They have to be general, the specifics scare the heck out of normal ppl.
obama got elected because bush completley tarnished the reputation of republicans. remember 4 dollar gasoline?
 
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Illegal Smile

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Obama got elected because he got nominated and he got nominated because he is black. It was nothing but crass race politics that took the nomination from Hillary.
 

Wordz

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Obama got elected because he got nominated and he got nominated because he is black. It was nothing but crass race politics that took the nomination from Hillary.

But the conservatives still think they aren't racist while making comments like this. I'm not trying to say all right wingers are racist but the people that speak on their behalf often are.
 
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Illegal Smile

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But the conservatives still think they aren't racist while making comments like this. I'm not trying to say all right wingers are racist but the people that speak on their behalf often are.
You won't find a single political scientist of any stripe willing to stand up and say a white Obama would have been nominated. And yet you call it racist to say so. That's the way the word had been diluted. Any unpleasant truth is attributed to racism. As if, were he only white, conservatives would fawn over Obama.
 

kappainf

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But the conservatives still think they aren't racist while making comments like this. I'm not trying to say all right wingers are racist but the people that speak on their behalf often are.
Oh, you again, awesome. Nice avatar. Like I said earlier people that hate blacks probably don't like Obama. However, I think you over generalize the racism shit. "Right Wingers," the party you claim that is mostly racist, is actually the party that had the biggest impact on ending slavery. Republicans were the first party to run a campaign on an anti slavery platform 1850s.
 

MexicanWarlord420

Active Member
Republicans back then were way different than they are today, and it's ruining their party.
You noticed a lot of republicans leaving the party and identifying themselves as independents or libertarians.
All they have left now are the hardcore right wingers(this consists of KKK members, Neo Nazis, and inbred trailer trash otherwise known as Sarah Palin supporters.) that believe everything they get from AM Radio and Faux news as if it were the Bible itself.
Unquestioning, not fact checking. They mindlessly follow what ever their Nazi overlords.. I mean republican commentators tell them. It's quite sad really
 
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Illegal Smile

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Republicans back then were way different than they are today, and it's ruining their party.
You noticed a lot of republicans leaving the party and identifying themselves as independents or libertarians.
All they have left now are the hardcore right wingers(this consists of KKK members, Neo Nazis, and inbred trailer trash otherwise known as Sarah Palin supporters.) that believe everything they get from AM Radio and Faux news as if it were the Bible itself.
Unquestioning, not fact checking. They mindlessly follow what ever their Nazi overlords.. I mean republican commentators tell them. It's quite sad really
Then why is Obama's job approval way below 50% now? The clear fact is that Obama has lost all of the republicans who voted for him and over 90% of independents according to most recent polls. And now he is in the process of losing democrats. If he could keep the democrats in line he wouldn't need a single republican vote to do whatever he wanted in congress. But no, they are turning against him now too. And there are indications elements of the media are doing the same. The thin layer of glitter has worn off. The ego has landed.
 

CrackerJax

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But the conservatives still think they aren't racist while making comments like this. I'm not trying to say all right wingers are racist but the people that speak on their behalf often are.
You know everything huh.... take ur coded racism elsewhere.... the big boys are talking.
 

Wordz

Well-Known Member
You know everything huh.... take ur coded racism elsewhere.... the big boys are talking.
what coded racism? You guys say he only got elected because he's black. It couldn't have been anything like he worked to get there at all. He never went to harvard he never went to columbia he was never a senator. he only got elected because he black right?
 

ViRedd

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what coded racism? You guys say he only got elected because he's black. It couldn't have been anything like he worked to get there at all. He never went to harvard he never went to columbia he was never a senator. he only got elected because he black right?
I'm a conservative and I don't think Obama's blackness is the ONLY thing that got him elected. It was an important trait though,

America was ready for a change from the Bush policies. But ... every liberal I know voted for Obama PARTLY because he's Black.

Every Black person I know, regardless of party affiliation, voted for Obama because he's Black. It made them feel good. Hell, even I, as a conservative, felt proud of the fact that America has come far enough in race relations to elect a Black man to the presidency.

Most of the politically naive people I know voted for Obama because they believed his lies that he was a centrist and would move us away from Bush's rediculous spending policies.

So, there is a whole panoply of reasons why people voted for Obama. They ranged from blind faith, to racism, to ignorance ... and on, and on ...

To just assume that the only reason people voted for Obama is because he's black is a racist mindset in its own right.
 

RickWhite

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what coded racism? You guys say he only got elected because he's black. It couldn't have been anything like he worked to get there at all. He never went to harvard he never went to columbia he was never a senator. he only got elected because he black right?
Of course he was elected because he is black. How can you even question the fact? He was a 2 term junior Senator who became Senator under dubious circumstances. Nobody with Obama's inexperience has even been nominated before. It might also interest you to know that this was the first election in which military service was not an issue. And then there are all his dubious associations. Really if you think about it, only a racist would think otherwise. It's as plain as the nose on your face.
 
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