Hydrotech364
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Wooo Tanggg
Iran Update...
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I knew who Karl Marx was in high school. Long before getting my PhD in Economics. And I know exactly who you are too! America-hater!
CrackerJax
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If corporate America is destroyed, it will be replaced by corporate China.
Pick ur poison. Oh, and stuff like these forums will be eliminated ... for the social good.
Pick ur poison. Oh, and stuff like these forums will be eliminated ... for the social good.
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PadawanBater
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So you knew who he was in higschool... does that mean you don't know who he is or what he said or did now, after getting your PhD (in Economics)? Let me be the first one here to call bullshit on that one, I might have believed BS, but you definitely took it too far with the PhD, know your limits. People don't just jump right out and say they have 12" cocks... you've gotta ease into it to make it believable see... start off with 8"... 9"... something reasonable... you can't just jump to the footlong automatically buddy... (I could always be wrong though, this is just the impression I get from your posts).
What college did you get your PhD in Economics at Mr. College Dr. Man?
By the way, the irony of my Would You Be An Insurgent thread is definitely lost on you buddy... you and your PhD. -- Sure I'm an "America Hater!", even after I posted in support of protecting America from an invading/occupying force... Atleast polish the shit up after you pull it out of your ass...
That's the problem, it doesn't have to be replaced by Corporate anything.
Why replace one evil with another? Why as humans do we do that continuous cycle of bullshit and think it's an acceptable solution, just because one is less shittier than the other? See, that's where this generation is different than the ones from the past, and I know you guys, the older of the bunch on this site are going to say it's a pipe dream and I'm naive to the way reality works, but people who dream things, do things, and people who can imagine alternative better existences should always work towards achieving them. If you sit there and accept the shit as business as usual, nothing will ever get done to change the way the machine runs. It will remain in corporate control. This is unacceptable, and shit is definitely changing.
Take a chance. I know transition is momentarily uncomfortable, but content with a stagnant, corrupt system is not a solution at all. It's keeping shit going long enough so the current generation can retire and put the problem off onto the next generation that follows. Every generation since 1913 has faced this same problem, and the brave men and women before us, including my parents and your parents, put it off onto us to figure it out. I'm not OK with using what we've got without consideration for the next generations of humans to come. We will hit peak oil in our lifetimes, yet nobody cares to develope alternative energy sources because conflict of interest keeps the real science from being exposed. Too many people stand to lose too much money in this current system for real, accurate, scientific information to get anywhere in the mainstream if it threatens the profits. Corporate America doesn't give a fuck about this problem just as long as she gets paid. This shit is as clear as day to anyone whose taken a look.
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PadawanBater
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Ohio State... 30 years ago, that tells me a lot. Respectable, don't get me wrong, but pretty telling.
There's nothing about me or the posts I make that indicate anti-Americansm.
Like I said, I oppose Corporate America. The America that controls the politicians. The America that decides where our military is on the globe. That America. The America you guys fight day in day out to keep the same.
Educate yourself. A three decades old institutional education should not have been the end.
There's nothing about me or the posts I make that indicate anti-Americansm.
Like I said, I oppose Corporate America. The America that controls the politicians. The America that decides where our military is on the globe. That America. The America you guys fight day in day out to keep the same.
Educate yourself. A three decades old institutional education should not have been the end.
CrackerJax
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One of your most naive posts yet unfortunately Paddy.
Haven't figured out the game being played yet? We WILL be replaced if we go down. Our opinion will have no weight upon it.
It's not about just tearing us down, it's about them being on top ( fill in the blank, but it will be China)
CrackerJax
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Sitting Out Another Iranian Intifada?
Posted 12/28/2009 07:11 PM ET
An Iranian protester pours gas on a fire during an anti-government protest in Iran on Sunday in this photo obtained by the Associated Press. View Enlarged Image
Mideast: As the death of a dissident cleric spawns renewed protests, Sen. John Kerry seeks to make nice with the oppressors of those who truly deserved the Nobel Peace Prize. How about regime change, Senator?
The death toll from the brutal suppression of the latest round of Iranian protests against their government has reached double digits. We wonder if the senator still wants to be the highest U.S. official to visit Tehran since U.S. hostages were held for 444 days by the very same regime.
To Kerry and this administration, the problem is one of mistrust and misunderstanding. Come, let us reason together, they say. Unclench your fist and we will shake your hand. Why we would want to shake the hand of the man who would exterminate Israel to usher in the age of the 12th Imam is beyond us.
Meantime, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the graybeard thugs he serves, practice on the Iranian people. The latest protests were spawned by the recent death of dissident 87-year-old cleric Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri, a critic of the ongoing oppression of the Iranian people.
At one time Montazeri was the designated successor to Ayatollah Khomeini, but when the theocracy turned to a thugocracy, he broke with the revolution. When Tehran celebrated the 30th anniversary of the taking of the U.S. Embassy, Montazeri said: "At the time, I supported it, but not today. It was a mistake."
Tehran banned any public memorials to his passing, fearing the protests that came anyway. Violence erupted last Wednesday when thousands tried to gather for a Montazeri memorial at a mosque in the central city of Isfahan, 200 miles south of Tehran. They were met by riot police and the goons of the paramilitary Basiji militia.
A reformist Web site, Rahesabz, or Green Path, reported that Iran's Ministry of Intelligence and Security issued an order banning governors across the country from granting permits for any more memorial services for Montazeri, lest they become focal points for the Iranian resistance.
Kerry's visit is a very bad idea. "The wrong message would be sent to the Iranian people by such a high-level visit: The U.S. loves dictatorial regimes," said Hossein Askari, a professor at George Washington University and former adviser to Iranian governments.
We may already have sent that message when in June protests over an election rigged by Islamic extremists flooded the streets of Iranian cities. Other than say we wanted to see how things played out, we did nothing but watch the Iranian protesters bleed and die in the streets of Tehran.
It was these courageous fighters for freedom and democracy who should have been given the Nobel Peace Prize, for only through the overthrow of tyranny can true peace be achieved. We blew one chance to help; those in Iran who hope for change have given us another.
Iran is a nation where the median age is 27, where the yearning for freedom beats strong in hearts in a nation whose regime considers Twitter a tool of the Great Satan. Will we hear their cry and respond? Or will we look out the window and once again not get involved in trying to stop the mugging in front of our eyes?
Iran was once a friend and could be again if we seize the moment and help the protesters bring freedom to their country. We wouldn't have to worry anymore about sanctions, uranium enrichment or the threat of war and nuclear terror in the region.
As someone once said, a crisis is a terrible thing to waste.
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This is leadership?
Posted 12/28/2009 07:11 PM ET
An Iranian protester pours gas on a fire during an anti-government protest in Iran on Sunday in this photo obtained by the Associated Press. View Enlarged ImageMideast: As the death of a dissident cleric spawns renewed protests, Sen. John Kerry seeks to make nice with the oppressors of those who truly deserved the Nobel Peace Prize. How about regime change, Senator?
The death toll from the brutal suppression of the latest round of Iranian protests against their government has reached double digits. We wonder if the senator still wants to be the highest U.S. official to visit Tehran since U.S. hostages were held for 444 days by the very same regime.
To Kerry and this administration, the problem is one of mistrust and misunderstanding. Come, let us reason together, they say. Unclench your fist and we will shake your hand. Why we would want to shake the hand of the man who would exterminate Israel to usher in the age of the 12th Imam is beyond us.
Meantime, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the graybeard thugs he serves, practice on the Iranian people. The latest protests were spawned by the recent death of dissident 87-year-old cleric Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri, a critic of the ongoing oppression of the Iranian people.
At one time Montazeri was the designated successor to Ayatollah Khomeini, but when the theocracy turned to a thugocracy, he broke with the revolution. When Tehran celebrated the 30th anniversary of the taking of the U.S. Embassy, Montazeri said: "At the time, I supported it, but not today. It was a mistake."
Tehran banned any public memorials to his passing, fearing the protests that came anyway. Violence erupted last Wednesday when thousands tried to gather for a Montazeri memorial at a mosque in the central city of Isfahan, 200 miles south of Tehran. They were met by riot police and the goons of the paramilitary Basiji militia.
A reformist Web site, Rahesabz, or Green Path, reported that Iran's Ministry of Intelligence and Security issued an order banning governors across the country from granting permits for any more memorial services for Montazeri, lest they become focal points for the Iranian resistance.
Kerry's visit is a very bad idea. "The wrong message would be sent to the Iranian people by such a high-level visit: The U.S. loves dictatorial regimes," said Hossein Askari, a professor at George Washington University and former adviser to Iranian governments.
We may already have sent that message when in June protests over an election rigged by Islamic extremists flooded the streets of Iranian cities. Other than say we wanted to see how things played out, we did nothing but watch the Iranian protesters bleed and die in the streets of Tehran.
It was these courageous fighters for freedom and democracy who should have been given the Nobel Peace Prize, for only through the overthrow of tyranny can true peace be achieved. We blew one chance to help; those in Iran who hope for change have given us another.
Iran is a nation where the median age is 27, where the yearning for freedom beats strong in hearts in a nation whose regime considers Twitter a tool of the Great Satan. Will we hear their cry and respond? Or will we look out the window and once again not get involved in trying to stop the mugging in front of our eyes?
Iran was once a friend and could be again if we seize the moment and help the protesters bring freedom to their country. We wouldn't have to worry anymore about sanctions, uranium enrichment or the threat of war and nuclear terror in the region.
As someone once said, a crisis is a terrible thing to waste.
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This is leadership?
Woomeister
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The British Ambassador to Iran has been called in to the Iranian foreign office to be told that the recent 'disturbances' have been encouraged by the British and other western countries...punishment is yet to be decided!
NewGrowth
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At least someone knows how we operate . . . .Does anyone really think that the CIA is not involved in the Iran protests?
It is not an accident that we have invaded the two countries bordering Iran to set up friendly governments.
CrackerJax
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please ... be serious.Woo ... they just never stop with the propaganda (Iran) do they?
Yah, it's our fault the govt. tortured 3 student protesters to death.
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Keenly
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Forged iran nuke documents? what?
Woo ... they just never stop with the propaganda (Iran) do they?
CrackerJax
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Keenly, ur not even paying attention ... shuffle off.
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Keenly
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AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
CJ, how about you get off the computer?
forged iran nuke documents
what say you
its come out they were indeed forged
i like how when you come into threads i participate in, you can disinfo, distract, insult, attack
but i come into your thread with some information that you just discard and tell me to get lost
hypocrisy ahoy!
Gareth Porter
After Downing Street
December 28, 2009
U.S. intelligence has concluded that the document published recently by the Times of London, which purportedly describes an Iranian plan to do experiments on what the newspaper described as a “neutron initiator” for an atomic weapon, is a fabrication, according to a former Central Intelligence Agency official.
Philip Giraldi, who was a CIA counterterrorism official from 1976 to 1992, told IPS that intelligence sources say that the United States had nothing to do with forging the document, and that Israel is the primary suspect. The sources do not rule out a British role in the fabrication, however.
The Times of London story published Dec. 14 did not identify the source of the document. But it quoted “an Asian intelligence source” – a term some news media have used for Israeli intelligence officials – as confirming that his government believes Iran was working on a neutron initiator as recently as 2007.
The story of the purported Iranian document prompted a new round of expressions of U.S. and European support for tougher sanctions against Iran and reminders of Israel’s threats to attack Iranian nuclear programme targets if diplomacy fails.
U.S. news media reporting has left the impression that U.S. intelligence analysts have not made up their mind about the document’s authenticity, although it has been widely reported that they have now had a full year to assess the issue.
Giraldi’s intelligence sources did not reveal all the reasons that led analysts to conclude that the purported Iran document had been fabricated by a foreign intelligence agency. But their suspicions of fraud were prompted in part by the source of the story, according to Giraldi.
“The Rupert Murdoch chain has been used extensively to publish false intelligence from the Israelis and occasionally from the British government,” Giraldi said.
The Times is part of a Murdoch publishing empire that includes the Sunday Times, Fox News and the New York Post. All Murdoch-owned news media report on Iran with an aggressively pro-Israeli slant.
The document itself also had a number of red flags suggesting possible or likely fraud.
The subject of the two-page document which the Times published in English translation would be highly classified under any state’s security system. Yet there is no confidentiality marking on the document, as can be seen from the photograph of the Farsi-language original published by the Times.
The absence of security markings has been cited by the Iranian ambassador to the International Atomic Energy Agency, Ali Asghar Soltanieh, as evidence that the “alleged studies” documents, which were supposedly purloined from an alleged Iranian nuclear weapons-related programme early in this decade, are forgeries.
The document also lacks any information identifying either the issuing office or the intended recipients. The document refers cryptically to “the Centre”, “the Institute”, “the Committee”, and the “neutron group”.
The document’s extreme vagueness about the institutions does not appear to match the concreteness of the plans, which call for hiring eight individuals for different tasks for very specific numbers of hours for a four-year time frame.
Including security markings and such identifying information in a document increases the likelihood of errors that would give the fraud away.The absence of any date on the document also conflicts with the specificity of much of the information. The Times reported that unidentified “foreign intelligence agencies” had dated the document to early 2007, but gave no reason for that judgment.
An obvious motive for suggesting the early 2007 date is that it would discredit the U.S. intelligence community’s November 2007 National Intelligence Estimate, which concluded that Iran had discontinued unidentified work on nuclear weapons and had not resumed it as of the time of the estimate.
Discrediting the NIE has been a major objective of the Israeli government for the past two years, and the British and French governments have supported the Israeli effort.
The biggest reason for suspecting that the document is a fraud is its obvious effort to suggest past Iranian experiments related to a neutron initiator. After proposing experiments on detecting pulsed neutrons, the document refers to “locations where such experiments used to be conducted”.
That reference plays to the widespread assumption, which has been embraced by the International Atomic Energy Agency, that Iran had carried out experiments with Polonium-210 in the late 1980s, indicating an interest in neutron initiators. The IAEA referred in reports from 2004 through 2007 to its belief that the experiment with Polonium-210 had potential relevance to making “a neutron initiator in some designs of nuclear weapons”.
The National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI), the political arm of the terrorist organisation Mujahedeen-e Khalq, claimed in February 2005 that Iran’s research with Polonium-210 was continuing and that it was now close to producing a neutron initiator for a nuclear weapon.
Sanger and Broad were so convinced that the Polonium-210 experiments proved Iran’s interest in a neutron initiator that they referred in their story on the leaked document to both the IAEA reports on the experiments in the late 1980s and the claim by NCRI of continuing Iranian work on such a nuclear trigger.
What Sanger and Broad failed to report, however, is that the IAEA has acknowledged that it was mistaken in its earlier assessment that the Polonium-210 experiments were related to a neutron initiator.
After seeing the complete documentation on the original project, including complete copies of the reactor logbook for the entire period, the IAEA concluded in its Feb. 22, 2008 report that Iran’s explanations that the Polonium-210 project was fundamental research with the eventual aim of possible application to radio isotope batteries was “consistent with the Agency’s findings and with other information available to it”.
The IAEA report said the issue of Polonium-210 – and thus the earlier suspicion of an Iranian interest in using it as a neutron initiator for a nuclear weapon – was now considered “no longer outstanding”.
New York Times reporters David Sanger and William J. Broad reported U.S. intelligence officials as saying the intelligence analysts “have yet to authenticate the document”. Sanger and Broad explained the failure to do so, however, as a result of excessive caution left over from the CIA’s having failed to brand as a fabrication the document purporting to show an Iraqi effort to buy uranium in Niger.
The Washington Post’s Joby Warrick dismissed the possibility that the document might be found to be fraudulent. “There is no way to establish the authenticity or original source of the document…,” wrote Warrick.
But the line that the intelligence community had authenticated it evidently reflected the Barack Obama administration’s desire to avoid undercutting a story that supports its efforts to get Russian and Chinese support for tougher sanctions against Iran.
This is not the first time that Giraldi has been tipped off by his intelligence sources on forged documents. Giraldi identified the individual or office responsible for creating the two most notorious forged documents in recent U.S. intelligence history.
In 2005, Giraldi identified Michael Ledeen, the extreme right-wing former consultant to the National Security Council and the Pentagon, as an author of the fabricated letter purporting to show Iraqi interest in purchasing uranium from Niger. That letter was used by the George W. Bush administration to bolster its false case that Saddam Hussein had an active nuclear weapons programme.
Giraldi also identified officials in the “Office of Special Plans” who worked under Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith as having forged a letter purportedly written by Hussein’s intelligence director, Tahir Jalail Habbush al-Tikriti, to Hussein himself referring to an Iraqi intelligence operation to arrange for an unidentified shipment from Niger.
medicineman
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Let's see, If the US were surrounded on both sides by a viscious country that had already invaded the other surrounding countries, killing 100,000+ of their citizens, then had threatened your annialation, interfered in all your politics, posted on worldwide news outlets threats of your demise, put sanctions on you for no apparent reasons because you wanted to be equal in the arms arena, uuuhhhh, what would you think? What would you want to do? Walk a mile my friend, walk a mile.
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Keenly
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no fucking way.. did i just agree with you? first time for everything
CrackerJax
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Keenly, I have never posted about such a story. Go start ur own thread if you wish.
You jump in and make references about something not posted. Hence the shuffle off comment.
Now you post something not even germane to the article and say everything is faked...
so once again ... shuffle off.
I don't care how many false stories are out there. everything i post has been verified already.
We travel in different circles ... says the eagle to the mouse. I can see farther than you can.
You jump in and make references about something not posted. Hence the shuffle off comment.
Now you post something not even germane to the article and say everything is faked...
so once again ... shuffle off.
I don't care how many false stories are out there. everything i post has been verified already.
We travel in different circles ... says the eagle to the mouse. I can see farther than you can.
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Keenly
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dude... im not going anywhere anytime fast
you never posted anything about the article im aware, which is why I posted it in here... to show you
so grab a snack and enjoy the read my friend
also pretty arrogant to make a statement like your eagle analogy
CrackerJax
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squeek squeek says the mouse.
Okay, now what does it mean?
Okay, now what does it mean?