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Woodstock.Hippie
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It seems even the Israelis don't know what is going on.
Did you watch Occupation 101, Morgentaler?
morgentaler
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Yes.
And it reaffirms what I've seen from various other sources.
Funny thing is I've never seen this viewpoint on American new channels.
I've seen it on Canadian, BBC, Al-Jazeerah, but can't think of the last time I saw CNN question what's going on there.
Woodstock.Hippie
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"I've seen it on Canadian, BBC, Al-Jazeerah, but can't think of the last time I saw CNN question what's going on there."
A wise old hippie once winked me a clue in broad daylight as to why.
A wise old hippie once winked me a clue in broad daylight as to why.
CrackerJax
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They didn't start that war paddy, the Arabs did.
That's what happens when you amass an army full of tanks & jets on the border of a nation you have threatened to wipe out. 9 countries amassed weapons, men and supplies along the border rattling their rusty sabers. There's nothing to wait for. The intent was quite clear.Totally outnumbered in forces and tactically, the Israelis still managed to humiliate the Arabs, and THAT's A BIG reason why they are all still pissed today.
They were humiliated, and rightfully so. Israel should not have to give back one square meter of land.
The Arabs don't deserve it back. They caused the attack by amassing a very large army on Israel borders, and they lost. It's pretty simple.
How you could look at Israel as the aggressor there is beyond me......
robert 14617
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^^^^^thats the way i remember learning of the war
Woodstock.Hippie
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What proportion of Israelis would you guess are Zionists?
"I've looked under chairs
I've looked under tables
I've tried to find the key
To fifty million fables
chorus:
They call me The Seeker
I've been searching low and high
I won't get to get what I'm after
Till the day I die
I asked Bobby Dylan
I asked The Beatles
I asked Timothy Leary
But he couldn't help me either
chorus
People tend to hate me
'Cause I never smile
As I ransack their homes
They want to shake my hand
Focusing on nowhere
Investigating miles
I'm a seeker
I'm a really desperate man
I won't get to get what I'm after
Till the day I die
I learned how to raise my voice in anger
Yeah, but look at my face, ain't this a smile?
I'm happy when life's good
And when it's bad I cry
I've got values but I don't know how or why
I'm looking for me
You're looking for you
We're looking in at each other
And we don't know what to do
chorus"
[youtube]CR-ZAnil_Mw[/youtube]
"I've looked under chairs
I've looked under tables
I've tried to find the key
To fifty million fables
chorus:
They call me The Seeker
I've been searching low and high
I won't get to get what I'm after
Till the day I die
I asked Bobby Dylan
I asked The Beatles
I asked Timothy Leary
But he couldn't help me either
chorus
People tend to hate me
'Cause I never smile
As I ransack their homes
They want to shake my hand
Focusing on nowhere
Investigating miles
I'm a seeker
I'm a really desperate man
I won't get to get what I'm after
Till the day I die
I learned how to raise my voice in anger
Yeah, but look at my face, ain't this a smile?
I'm happy when life's good
And when it's bad I cry
I've got values but I don't know how or why
I'm looking for me
You're looking for you
We're looking in at each other
And we don't know what to do
chorus"
[youtube]CR-ZAnil_Mw[/youtube]
doc111
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I used to read every scrap of news I could about Israel. I've studied the history and read numerous books on the subject. It's one of the most confusing and complicated bits of modern world history. The roots of the modern conflict extend back before the time of Christ. It's no wonder people have no clue what the fuck is going on over there and obviously have their history "confused". In any conflict you will always have both or all sides involved pointing the finger at the other guy. Has Israel done some things they aren't proud of? Yes. Have the Palestinians been complete fools? Yes. End of story. Anybody who takes the sides of the Palestinians is either antisemitic or simply misinformed. For the most part, Israel has been the victim. They have been attacked numerous times by their Arab neighbors. We do get fed some propaganda but in reality Israel wants to be left alone. If the palestinians would take the deal offered by the Israelis the conflict would be over. They are never going to get a better deal than what's been offered. They are not going to get rid of Israel. The Arabs say they back the Palestinians but what are they doing to help? Not much. Egypt could give up a little bit of the Sinai but they won't. Syria could give up a bit of the Golan heights, but they won't. Israel has given Gaza and the West Bank to the palestinians. The settlements have been all but halted. Israel has removed a ton of their own settlers by force! What more can they do? Roll over and die? Not gonna happen! The jews have been persecuted throughout history. They deserve to have their own very small country. The palestinians hold their destiny in their own hands. They can either make the best of it or keep up the fighting and never get what they say they want. The whole situation is a bad one and is more complicated than most people could ever imagine.They didn't start that war paddy, the Arabs did.
Totally outnumbered in forces and tactically, the Israelis still managed to humiliate the Arabs, and THAT's A BIG reason why they are all still pissed today.
They were humiliated, and rightfully so. Israel should not have to give back one square meter of land.
The Arabs don't deserve it back. They caused the attack by amassing a very large army on Israel borders, and they lost. It's pretty simple.
How you could look at Israel as the aggressor there is beyond me......
doc111
Well-Known Member
Technically, all the Jewish Israelis are Zionists.
CrackerJax
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You got an unfiltered education then ... well done!
Besides all that, if you go back to the events of WW2, which initiated everything ... the Arabs for the most part ended up on the WRONG side of history, and moral judgment.
They sided with the NAZIS!! There were, and I'm being subtle here, there were some hard feelings left over after that war, and rightfully so.
The Arabs chose POORLY, and continue to choose POORLY.
They don't want to give their ppl human rights like Israel has done for their citizens. It's a thorn in their side of oppression.
That's two humiliations from Israel, and the Arabs can't STAND it.
morgentaler
Well-Known Member
Yes, yes, I know why. Blah blah blah.
And I'm going to be putting you on ignore unless you give this shit up.
At least Brevity got you to stop talking like Yoda for 5 minutes.
morgentaler
Well-Known Member
If anyone enjoyed 'Day of the Triffids' book or BBC miniseries in 81, the remake came out as a two parter this week and can be found on your friendly neighborhood torrent sites. It has a bigger budget, but I think I might like the 1981 show better. Then again, things often age better in memory than in reality.
growwwww
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theres a stupid amount of hippies coming out from israel though, there are a clan on them in London UK who are such fucking stoners its mad, all dreadlocked and so cool, they wont stop about how fucked up the whole thing is. They have all been to the army and tell me a small proportion of people ( bigger per 1k people of most countries though ) go to india after and do loadsa fucking psychadelic n shit. its nutts, honestly israelies are fucking nutts people when it comes to drugs, partying and shit, they wanna escape the mayhem!
CrackerJax
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Jewish hippies, that's a scream!! 
growwwww
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They aint jewish they dont keep religion or whatever its just nutts though, i have honestly never in my life met such stoned and hip guys. These fucking well built, dreaded israelis, thick accent and just so madly peaceful. Really cool guys. Im not jewish or anything just know a bunch of them in londoners hang in sort of the same circle, really top blokes, however...most of them are kinda trampy like they squat about n stuff...Do kinda need to get jobs hahaJewish hippies, that's a scream!!
CrackerJax
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My bad, Israeli hippies!!! I'm not Jewish either....
Everyone serves at some point, not the worst idea.
Everyone serves at some point, not the worst idea.
growwwww
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im just really really high right now, and im just thinking about it, its so nutts! haha fucking we get fed so much shit about how ruthless israelis are n shit and here are a fairly big population of massive hippies and a tradition of going to india after the army to get fucked and rave...Its madness!!!