doc111
Well-Known Member
I met some of those Israeli hippies while I was over there. Some of them are hardcore Jews though.
morgentaler
Well-Known Member
It's too bad the entire cultural identity is based on the religion.
It really makes it hard for the individual to have a say in how they are perceived. If you were to describe yourself as an atheist Jew it would confuse some people to no end.
And when people look at the Palestinians and Israelis they only see Hamas and the militant settlers / Israeli troops.
Meanwhile civilians bear the brunt of the damage.
Question the tactics of Israel as a country, and people will brand you as anti-semetic. Though I've also had serious misgivings about American foreign policy and that doesn't make me anti-American. Any more than questioning our own treatment of Aboriginals would make me Anti-Canadian.
The current method of dealing with Hamas sounds like this quote from the Untouchables:
"You wanna know how to get Capone? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue."
What's the solution? Dunno. But it didn't work for America in either Vietnam or Iraq.
You can't indiscriminately kill civilians when responding to a guerrilla force and expect conflict to cease. The idea that the civilian populace will reject the guerrilla forces doesn't work, because, as we've seen in the VC and Insurgents, they just drive into town, call out someone for not being true to the cause and execute them to scare the rest into submission.
Let's just start a new Jewish homeland in Canada. There's room here somewhere.
It really makes it hard for the individual to have a say in how they are perceived. If you were to describe yourself as an atheist Jew it would confuse some people to no end.
And when people look at the Palestinians and Israelis they only see Hamas and the militant settlers / Israeli troops.
Meanwhile civilians bear the brunt of the damage.
Question the tactics of Israel as a country, and people will brand you as anti-semetic. Though I've also had serious misgivings about American foreign policy and that doesn't make me anti-American. Any more than questioning our own treatment of Aboriginals would make me Anti-Canadian.
The current method of dealing with Hamas sounds like this quote from the Untouchables:
"You wanna know how to get Capone? They pull a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue."
What's the solution? Dunno. But it didn't work for America in either Vietnam or Iraq.
You can't indiscriminately kill civilians when responding to a guerrilla force and expect conflict to cease. The idea that the civilian populace will reject the guerrilla forces doesn't work, because, as we've seen in the VC and Insurgents, they just drive into town, call out someone for not being true to the cause and execute them to scare the rest into submission.
Let's just start a new Jewish homeland in Canada. There's room here somewhere.
doc111
Well-Known Member
They don't want a new homeland. They have one called Israel. That is the historical homeland of the Jews and the center of the zionist movement. It is unfortunate that Israel has taken such a hardline approach to their own civilian populace being brutally attacked. That's reality in that part of the world. The palestinians and muslims in general don't place a high value on human life. In fact most countries from that part of the world don't place a high value on human life. It's a hard thing to imagine but one that must be experienced to be understood. I served in Somalia and can't think of a better example of this.
CrackerJax
New Member
After what they went through in WW2, even discounting the centuries of abuse before by many civilizations (think church), they wanted and desperately needed a "home base".
They felt safe in Germany before the war. History has taught them that a home base is the only true solution to end their persecution, not as an enclave in someone else's country.
They didn't count on the Nazi Arabs.
They felt safe in Germany before the war. History has taught them that a home base is the only true solution to end their persecution, not as an enclave in someone else's country.
They didn't count on the Nazi Arabs.
Babs34
Well-Known Member
scary...you and I wholeheartedly agree on this topic.They didn't start that war paddy, the Arabs did.That's what happens when you amass an army full of tanks & jets on the border of a nation you have threatened to wipe out. 9 countries amassed weapons, men and supplies along the border rattling their rusty sabers. There's nothing to wait for. The intent was quite clear.
Totally outnumbered in forces and tactically, the Israelis still managed to humiliate the Arabs, and THAT's A BIG reason why they are all still pissed today.
They were humiliated, and rightfully so. Israel should not have to give back one square meter of land.
The Arabs don't deserve it back. They caused the attack by amassing a very large army on Israel borders, and they lost. It's pretty simple.
How you could look at Israel as the aggressor there is beyond me......
Could it be the fatigue?
No, but seriously, you are right on target.
See CJ, miracles really do happen.
Babs34
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Babs34
Well-Known Member
Zionism---the right that Israel simply exist.Technically, all the Jewish Israelis are Zionists.
I'd say that makes me a zionist.
"SICC"
Well-Known Member
lol this pic just made my night, or morning i should say, thanks stoney
Katatawnic
Well-Known Member
One day in the Garden of Eden, Eve calls out to God, "Lord, I have a problem!"
"What's the problem, Eve?"
"Lord, I know you've created me and have provided this beautiful garden and all of these wonderful animals, and that hilarious comedy snake, but I'm just not happy."
"Why is that, Eve?" came the reply from above.
"Lord, I am lonely. And I'm sick to death of apples."
"Well, Eve, in that case, I have a solution. I shall create a man for you."
"What's a 'man', Lord?"
"A man is a flawed creature, with aggressive tendencies, an enormous ego and an inability to empathize or listen to you properly. All in all, he'll give you a hard time. He'll be bigger and faster and more muscular than you. He'll be really good at fighting and kicking a ball about and hunting fleet-footed ruminants, and not altogether bad in the sack."
"Sounds great," says Eve, with an ironically raised eyebrow.
"Yeah, well. He's better than a poke in the eye with a burnt stick. But, you can only have him on one condition."
"What's that, Lord?"
"You'll have to let him believe that I made him first."
"What's the problem, Eve?"
"Lord, I know you've created me and have provided this beautiful garden and all of these wonderful animals, and that hilarious comedy snake, but I'm just not happy."
"Why is that, Eve?" came the reply from above.
"Lord, I am lonely. And I'm sick to death of apples."
"Well, Eve, in that case, I have a solution. I shall create a man for you."
"What's a 'man', Lord?"
"A man is a flawed creature, with aggressive tendencies, an enormous ego and an inability to empathize or listen to you properly. All in all, he'll give you a hard time. He'll be bigger and faster and more muscular than you. He'll be really good at fighting and kicking a ball about and hunting fleet-footed ruminants, and not altogether bad in the sack."
"Sounds great," says Eve, with an ironically raised eyebrow.
"Yeah, well. He's better than a poke in the eye with a burnt stick. But, you can only have him on one condition."
"What's that, Lord?"
"You'll have to let him believe that I made him first."
CrackerJax
New Member
Yah, bigotry is kewl ... shuffle off.
Know ur history folks....
Know ur history folks....
shnkrmn
Well-Known Member
Yes, and the stench of war, blood, shit, death is as sweet incense to his sanctified nostrils.6 day war...Israelis kicked ass!
....and some say there is no God.
You are bloodthirsty, babs.
tebor
Well-Known Member
I don't believe this by the way.
just trying to get the Conspiracy Theorists +rep.
I came to this section to talk about Penis Power
CrackerJax
New Member
The Arabs need to remember that they were on the WRONG SIDE of history during WW2.
Without Arab aggression, there would be no problems at all.
Without Arab aggression, there would be no problems at all.
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PadawanBater
Guest
Name me one country who has never been on "the wrong side of history" at some point in time.
What is your point that the Arabs supported the Nazi's durring WW2? So did the Italians... so did the Japanese...
morgentaler
Well-Known Member
So did a good number of North Americans, both in the US and Canada.
CrackerJax
New Member
Uhh, you don't make the big mistakes in the first place.
I'm putting it into historical perspective. Israel came into being soon after the end of the war. Memories were QUITE fresh, and again, that's what happens when you choose poorly.
Then they get sore when they get humiliated on the battlefield when they have the superiority ... overwhelmingly.
There's a lot of insecurity projection coming from the arabs and decades of that insecurity has become habit forming. Having a model of democracy and success is a constant reminder to the Arab leaders that Israel provides something we all take for granted here in the states ... freedom for it's ppl.
It's not really abut a treaty....
Suck it up, grow a pair and get over it.
Only the Arabs can stop the violence, no one else. No one else is the aggressor.
I'm putting it into historical perspective. Israel came into being soon after the end of the war. Memories were QUITE fresh, and again, that's what happens when you choose poorly.
Then they get sore when they get humiliated on the battlefield when they have the superiority ... overwhelmingly.
There's a lot of insecurity projection coming from the arabs and decades of that insecurity has become habit forming. Having a model of democracy and success is a constant reminder to the Arab leaders that Israel provides something we all take for granted here in the states ... freedom for it's ppl.
It's not really abut a treaty....
Suck it up, grow a pair and get over it.
Only the Arabs can stop the violence, no one else. No one else is the aggressor.
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PadawanBater
Guest
Take this bullshit to your Iran update thread Cracker. It doesn't have anything to do with atheism.