Can you help me design a Shroom Room

[Fazz]

if you do use a sealed environment you will need to raise the humidity in EACH container . for a tray all you do is pour a incubated spore jar on a tray and top with soil . BAM . if you use a pressure cooker , disposable gloves , rubbing alcohol , and a glove box (when necessary) you will have no issues . just dont take shortcuts . also your yield LOL ... it waill be amazing . plus we're here at your disposal .

 

[jollygreengiant8]

whats up gypsy!

monotubs can definately grow an abundance of mush, but the problem I have with them is that it is throwing a bunch of eggs in one basket so to speak.
If 1 tub goes bad that is alot of material wasted and not to mention all of the mush that you won't harvest.

I"ve found that the easiest way for me is to do the standard PF-Tek with brown rice flour and vermiculte. (never had much luck with grains)
I like to mix up a case of jars, pressure cook them, inoculate with spores, and let sit for a while until ready.
Once ready I empty the jars into a gallon ziplock and smash it until its into small chunks and add equal amounts of moist vermiculte.
When I have a all my bags full of the mixture and pour it into trays that I painted black that hold about 5 cups of material.
Level everything out and seal them up with aluminum foil and poke a few holes for air exchange.
Put the trays into your incubator for a few more days.
Once completely white take them out and sprinkle on a thin layer of dry verm and mist the layer well and place it in a large clear tub with wet perlite on the bottom.

This way if 1 or 2 trays decide to catch some mold, you can remove them without losing a large portion of your crop.

I deleted most of my pics but I found one that you can kind of see what I am talking about. I think this pic was flush 3 or 4 which is why the mush are smaller but you can still see that you can produce quite a few shrooms with only 5 cups of the mixture.

At the time I had 3 large tubs started with 10-12 trays in each, and got 4 flushes from the majority, threw out 1 or 2 every week or so due to mold.
All in all everything took around 2 months and I ended up with over a lb.
Thats not counting all the ones I snacked on straight from the trays

 

[Fazz]

love the pic ^.

 

[GypsyBush]

whats up gypsy!

JG!!!!

HOW ARE YOU????

It is good to see you here...

It's been a while...

Things are good... snow is ass deep to a tall giraffe...

Looking fwd to Spring... in a few months...

monotubs can definately grow an abundance of mush, but the problem I have with them is that it is throwing a bunch of eggs in one basket so to speak.
If 1 tub goes bad that is alot of material wasted and not to mention all of the mush that you won't harvest.

How easy is to have a "problem"...?

And one you have a "problem", it becomes pretty much garbage???

I"ve found that the easiest way for me is to do the standard PF-Tek with brown rice flour and vermiculte. (never had much luck with grains)

I'm gonna pick your brain, if that's ok...

What isPF-Tek???..

And the brown rice is the "medium".. and you mix it with the vermiculite or do you use the vermiculite in the "fruiting" stage?

I like to mix up a case of jars, pressure cook them, inoculate with spores, and let sit for a while until ready.

So the jars are filled with the verm/rice and you sterilize them... then you "introduce/inoculate" the spores (but how?)

And by ready you mean... colonized? like the spores have spreadand are all over the medium?

Once ready I empty the jars into a gallon ziplock and smash it until its into small chunks and add equal amounts of moist vermiculte.
When I have a all my bags full of the mixture and pour it into trays that I painted black that hold about 5 cups of material.
Level everything out and seal them up with aluminum foil and poke a few holes for air exchange.

If I got what "ready" is, I understand this so far...

Put the trays into your incubator for a few more days.

Ah... another thing I need to research more about... the INCUBATOR...

fucking gypsies...

Once completely white take them out and sprinkle on a thin layer of dry verm and mist the layer well and place it in a large clear tub with wet perlite on the bottom.

Take "them" out... like .. what's the consistency at this point..??? like cooked rice?? will it not fall apart???

This way if 1 or 2 trays decide to catch some mold, you can remove them without losing a large portion of your crop.

Now you confused me...

I understand the sentence...

But we have only done one right??? so you do this a bunch of times over and save most???

I deleted most of my pics but I found one that you can kind of see what I am talking about. I think this pic was flush 3 or 4 which is why the mush are smaller but you can still see that you can produce quite a few shrooms with only 5 cups of the mixture.

I think I understand...

Lots of incubators... lots of INDIVIDUAL processes, all self contained... right???

At the time I had 3 large tubs started with 10-12 trays in each, and got 4 flushes from the majority, threw out 1 or 2 every week or so due to mold.
All in all everything took around 2 months and I ended up with over a lb.
Thats not counting all the ones I snacked on straight from the trays

Oh! I see...

So 4 separate environments with multiple smaller "trays/tubs/dishes/cakes?" each .. did I get it now?

So how do you control the conditions in each tub?

And what are the parameters? do they vary with each strain?

And what about collecting wild spores to use in this fashion?

I am not sure I can get spores shipped (I tried a few times) where this will be done...

And thanks for all your help JG, I feel way more confident with you on board...

love the pic ^.

Fuckin' A!!!! Right?!?!?!?

 

[jollygreengiant8]

It's cold here but we don't get snow...ever
But it is Mardi Gras season and the Saints DID win the Super Bowl so all is well down here in cajun country

I never did figure out the multi reply so I'm going to try to answer everything the best I can.

here we go....

these "problems" (ie mold) do happen, and is the biggest challenge to overcome in growing fungi...it comes with the environment they grow in (warm and humid).
This is why working in a sterile environment is important to get as many jars as you can to colonize and fruit before any mold strikes. You can try to remove the mold if its a small area that is infected but that normally only gives you a few more days to get you mushies picked before its garbage.

look over this on pf tek and should explain the process and has plenty of pictures for the visual learner..
http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek

you mix the b.rice flour with moist verm and put into jars(jars need to have holes punched in the lid) after you pressure cook them and they cool, you inoculate them by squirting a tiny amount into the mixture with you spore syringe and then cover the holes with micropore tape and place into incubator.
check the pftek link for the process.

by ready I do mean colonized. the jars will become white with mycelium and are pretty soild. It won't resemble anything like rice. Again, the link with pics should clear up most of you questions.

incubator..again, check the link..it shows how to make one cheap. I'd make at least 2, one for jars, one for trays.

Hmm. you confuse me where you say I confuse you
Once jars are ready and white, you open them up and dump them into a big ziplock and smash all the white mycelium up and add equal parts of moist verm. then spread that mixture in the small trays. This is just making a casing from a cake, increasing surface area, therefor increasing the amount of mushies.

So really theres only 3 environments..jars in incubation, trays in incubation, trays in fruiting chambers full of magic mushrooms.

I think as long as you grow a cubensis conditions are the same. dark and warm for incubation, slightly cooler and humid with some light for fruiting.

If you really do want to try this and can't seem to get any spores let me know and I'll check my bag of goodies to see if I have any extra spore prints to help get you started.

 

[GypsyBush]

They won't let me say THANK YOU! Big/loud enough here...

Mardi Gras... I have had the pleasure a few times... Fun Times...

I am going to do some reading and will get back to you...

As for the "multi reply"... I separate your post into the appropriate paragraphs...and "quote" each one with quote encompassed by [ ] and you close it with /quote encompassed by [ ]

I cannot write exactly or it will not "appear on your screen"...

Anyways... your reply was PERFECT..

So THANK YOU!!!!!

 

[GypsyBush]

look over this on pf tek and should explain the process and has plenty of pictures for the visual learner..
http://www.fungifun.org/English/Pftek

You are my HERO!!!

 

[GypsyBush]

So if I am seeing right... you did the " casing layer." thingy to these.. right?

But you don't HAVE to... it just gives you more??

 

[jollygreengiant8]

yeah the trays are casings, although not quite like that casing link
and you don't have to make casings, you can put cakes (colonized jars) directly into your fruiting chamber
you can see the difference between the trays and a cake in the picture

 

[GypsyBush]

so it's worth casing, it will give you more vs just the cakes.. right?

 

[jollygreengiant8]

yeah its worth it if more shrooms are what you are going for

 

[ndangerspecimen101]

EstesJ LINKS were helpful... but god who would use manure to CROP their mushies... especially if they use an exotic strain!

The other TEK is very nice but for small grows...

any others?

 

[chitownsmoking]

go with monotubs..........

 

[ndangerspecimen101]

Brilliant pF TEK link JOLLY GREEN

That link gives you subject matter, illustrations, and the all important vendor sources!

 

[chitownsmoking]

monotubs......... liquid culture............. wild bird seed, or rye, spawned to 50/50 coir/verm. or even better but more work straw and dung

 

[Big Raw J]

monotubs......... liquid culture............. wild bird seed, or rye, spawned to 50/50 coir/verm. or even better but more work straw and dung

Never done a monotub, but I definitely agree with liquid cultures..it's worth the extra step, and you save alot of time colonizing. The mycelium sure spreads fast that way, and you'll never have to buy any spores ever again. I would think it would work awesome for large scale cultivation.

Lots to read about Gypsy, but good luck and let us know how you do! I'm actually gonna get back up and going soon!

 

[estesj]

EstesJ LINKS were helpful... but god who would use manure to CROP their mushies... especially if they use an exotic strain!

The other TEK is very nice but for small grows...

any others?

That one guy got 9 oz dry off 1 tub using manure to crop his mushies. Thats pretty fucking awsome! I'm deff going with the horse poo with those yields.

 

[GypsyBush]

but god who would use manure to CROP their mushies...

!00% of my wild shroom trips were picked off of cow dung... I got no problems with grass...

 

[estesj]

!00% of my wild shroom trips were picked off of cow dung... I got no problems with grass...

Mine too here in FL.. they are awsome as well!

 

[chitownsmoking]

!00% of my wild shroom trips were picked off of cow dung... I got no problems with grass...

idiots just hear manure and ay illl. in most indoor shroom grows if your using manure, esp. to innoculate str8 into its been pastureized. just get over it. it would amaze you to know what kind of nasty shit is in most day to day shit. like seaweed in vanilla icecream, or god knows what part of what animal in hotdogs, or that cheese is basicly made from curdling milk.... besides manures ives the fattest flushes with the meatiest fruit.