Texas Man Gets 35 Years For Pot Possession

[Rob Roy]

Yes Angel, and that was a deciding factor I'm sure.

Rob doesn't seem to mind if someone is hanging out by his kids school with 4 ounces and a scale....

As a two time loser (convictions, not accusations, big difference), that dumbarse should know better....but he didn't.

He should be dressed down, because morons like that hurt the weed cause. That I cannot abide.

I'm not endorsing his behavior as something I would emulate. My question still stands - WHO did he hurt?

Dressed down? 35 years in jail is insane, that's not "dressing down". That is practically speaking a life sentence.

If you can abide with giving him 35 years in jail, is that the same penalty you'd give to a 21 year old buying his little brother in high school a six pack for the dance?

 

[CrackerJax]

Look, a victimless crime is you growing your own weed and not selling it. You sitting on your couch smoking herb, not making a ruckus.... that is a victimless crime.

That is a far cry from a 2 time felon walking around with a 1/4 lb. and a scale near a school.

That"s just dumb.... and we don't need guys like that in the cause of getting weed to be perceived as "victimless". This guy ISN'T helping anyone, but himself. That's not kewl.

 

[IAm5toned]

The guy is a habitual felon....that's why.

Not everyone has enough IQ to walk around free. He is an example.

It's not right or left. It's dumb vs. smart (behavior). Uhhh, he be dumb.

very well put. a 5 min detour could have saved him 35 years of his life.


it sucks that the man got 35 years,, thats excessive, no doubt, even for possesion w/intent in a school zone/excluded zone.

The problem here is that law, started by nancy reagan and her retarded 'just say no' movement in the 80's was originally intended to keep crack dealers away from schools in cities like LA, Chicago, NYC, Little Rock, Miami and Boston where gang violence had taken over. Some of the larger cities theres a school every other block, it wouldnt matter where you were, your automatically in an exclusion zone, and law enforcement exploits this flaw on a regular basis.

But in this particular case, we dont know the mans history, he may very well be a habitual offender, he might have a been a very bad dude, and the cops may have busted him and threw the book @ him because that was there one chance to get him off the street. Dont make judgements when your not aware of all the facts, all it does is prove your own ignorance.

 

[Rob Roy]

Look, a victimless crime is you growing your own weed and not selling it. You sitting on your couch smoking herb, not making a ruckus.... that is a victimless crime.

That is a far cry from a 2 time felon walking around with a 1/4 lb. and a scale near a school.

That"s just dumb.... and we don't need guys like that in the cause of getting weed to be perceived as "victimless". This guy ISN'T helping anyone, but himself. That's not kewl.

I'm familiar with what a victimless crime is. I'd even expand on your definition a bit.
If he's selling it to somebody and it's a mutual and consensual transaction, that is a victimless "crime" too.

So again - Who did he hurt?

His behavior may have been "dumb", but only in the face of a "dumb" law.

We don't need guys like that in the cause? He may not be the best spokesperson, his actions may not have been the best way to convince "law and order" hypocrites that people should own themselves, I'll agree with that.

So does that mean he deserves ANY jail time, let alone 35 years? Are you okay with jailing him?

 

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

Thanks bro.

I don't think CJ is advocating anything. He simply pointed out, as did I, that he was probably given such a harsh sentence because of the habitual offender law.

Wrong, he said the guy deserved it because he was stupid. So I asked him if he thought John Sinclair deserved a 10 year sentence over 2 joints and he obviously had no clue what I was talking about and responded with his usual nonsensical rhetoric. He sounds more like the prosecutor that was pushing for 99 years rather than someone on a pro-marijuana forum. In another thread he mentioned any grower that charges more than $10 an ounce is greedy. I seriously doubt the guy even knows what an ounce of weed is.

 

[PadawanBater]

Wrong, he said the guy deserved it because he was stupid. So I asked him if he thought John Sinclair deserved a 10 year sentence over 2 joints and he obviously had no clue what I was talking about and responded with his usual nonsensical rhetoric. He sounds more like the prosecutor that was pushing for 99 years rather than someone on a pro-marijuana forum. In another thread he mentioned any grower that charges more than $10 an ounce is greedy. I seriously doubt the guy even knows what an ounce of weed is.

$10/ounce???

Cracker??

You gotta find that quote cuz that is some seriously retarded shit! lol

 

[doc111]

The guy is a habitual felon....that's why.

Not everyone has enough IQ to walk around free. He is an example.

It's not right or left. It's dumb vs. smart (behavior). Uhhh, he be dumb.

Criminal records tend to pile up. he didn't get 35 years for just having that weed. Believe me, there is more behind this story. Each felony you pick up will be dealt with harsher than the last, even if it is the exact same crime.

He's a three time loser..... which means the state considers him to be a habitual criminal.

Judges & lawmakers know darn well, although they may not admit it publicly, that for every crime you are accused of, you have probably committed many more. By the time you stand in court on a third Felon charge.... there won't be any leniency. This fellow SURELY knew that...and yet...he continues.

I'm not advocating anything, but unless this fellow is brain dead...he knew one more felony and he was gone. Dumb....

Wrong, he said the guy deserved it because he was stupid. So I asked him if he thought John Sinclair deserved a 10 year sentence over 2 joints and he obviously had no clue what I was talking about and responded with his usual nonsensical rhetoric. He sounds more like the prosecutor that was pushing for 99 years rather than someone on a pro-marijuana forum. In another thread he mentioned any grower that charges more than $10 an ounce is greedy. I seriously doubt the guy even knows what an ounce of weed is.

Please point out to me where CJ says the guy "deserved it". I didn't get that from his posts at all. He simply pointed out that this guy was being stupid and got caught..........for the third time evidently! Then he goes on to say that nobody here really knows the whole story. The only statement that CJ made that might have given anybody that idea was that the guy was a moron and gave the weed movement a bad name. I agree with that. I don't think he was implying that the guy deserved the sentence. There is a difference between pointing out that the guy was obviously not using his brain and saying he deserved a harsh sentence. I know you disagree with CJ and his political stance on a lot of the issues discussed here and I suspect that is why you immediately went into attack mode. Sound about right?

 

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

$10/ounce???

Cracker??

You gotta find that quote cuz that is some seriously retarded shit! lol

It's not 10 an ounce because MANY ppl before you already ruined it..... greed made weed expensive.... and you carry on the tradition of greed.... There was a fellow earlier on another thread that grows major weed....and is a NON PROFIT ORG. That's the ONLY way to get me to tip me hat to big growers. He truly is in it to HELP other ppl. Making a career out it your way is really all about helping urself.

You could JUST as EASILY grow extra weed and sell it at 10 DOLLARS/OUNCE ... but you WON'T.

It's natural...but don't feed me that line about being a helping hand. Be honest about it at least.... else sell it for 10 bucks. other wise ur a hypocrite if you can't admit ur greedy...just like EXXON... I'll bet you hate those guys huh.... look in the mirror pal.

https://www.rollitup.org/medical-marijuana/302427-dea-again-4.html

 

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

Please point out to me where CJ says the guy "deserved it". I didn't get that from his posts at all. He simply pointed out that this guy was being stupid and got caught..........for the third time evidently! Then he goes on to say that nobody here really knows the whole story. The only statement that CJ made that might have given anybody that idea was that the guy was a moron and gave the weed movement a bad name. I agree with that. I don't think he was implying that the guy deserved the sentence. There is a difference between pointing out that the guy was obviously not using his brain and saying he deserved a harsh sentence. I know you disagree with CJ and his political stance on a lot of the issues discussed here and I suspect that is why you immediately went into attack mode. Sound about right?

Not everyone has enough IQ to walk around free. He is an example.

It's not right or left. It's dumb vs. smart (behavior). Uhhh, he be dumb.

Has nothing to do with politics, has to do with ignorance, but I suspect YOUR agreeing with his politics has you defending him. Pot meet kettle.

 

[doc111]

Has nothing to do with politics, has to do with ignorance, but I suspect YOUR agreeing with his politics has you defending him. Pot meet kettle.

I do agree with some of CJ's politics. I see the post of his you quoted but again, nowhere does he say the guy "deserved" it. You are putting words into his mouth and that's what I was defending. You can defend this guy who got busted all you want but I see CJ's point and I tend to agree with it. There is more to this story than the couple of paragraphs that was posted here and the guy was stupid, giving all of us a bad name and making it more and more difficult to get cannabis re-legalized. That doesn't mean I think he deserved it. Based on the information provided in this thread it's unfair but politics aside, we've got to work together in order to get these crazy ass laws changed.!

 

[PadawanBater]

Please point out to me where CJ says the guy "deserved it". I didn't get that from his posts at all. He simply pointed out that this guy was being stupid and got caught..........for the third time evidently!

Put it in perspective..

Everyone here knows how weed should be regarded among law enforcement and within the legal system, no different than tobacco. A few of us have really strong convictions towards the right to do what we wish with our own bodies, myself included. I think that's a fundamental right simply for being human. Nobody has the right to take that away from you. So how was his behavior really "stupid"? Would it be just as stupid to carry a 5 gallon jug of water? What about a suitcase full of sugar packets? Weed is a substance, just like anything else, only our government has officially labeled it in such a way that makes it taboo to use in public.

Agreed he's not the best spokesperson for marijuana reform, but whose to say who is? Nobody you could imagine would look good in the public eye, so I say he's just as good as any.

35 years? Lets organize a prison break for this guy!

 

[doc111]

Put it in perspective..

Everyone here knows how weed should be regarded among law enforcement and within the legal system, no different than tobacco. A few of us have really strong convictions towards the right to do what we wish with our own bodies, myself included. I think that's a fundamental right simply for being human. Nobody has the right to take that away from you. So how was his behavior really "stupid"? Would it be just as stupid to carry a 5 gallon jug of water? What about a suitcase full of sugar packets? Weed is a substance, just like anything else, only our government has officially labeled it in such a way that makes it taboo to use in public.

Agreed he's not the best spokesperson for marijuana reform, but whose to say who is? Nobody you could imagine would look good in the public eye, so I say he's just as good as any.

35 years? Lets organize a prison break for this guy!

We can all debate the fairness of the law but fact is it's illegal, this guy knew it (if he didn't then he really is dumb) and he obviously got himself caught, with scales, a QP, baggies, and he was in a school zone! I don't think this guy will be going to any Mensa meetings anytime soon. I think it's fair to say that most of us agree the law is unfair. Sugar packets won't get you 35 years in prison............evidently a few ounces of weed will in some instances. We all know this so we have to take precautions and not do stupid things. I agree with your rationalization but it won't work on police, judges, and probably not juries either. That's just the facts of life right now bro.

 

[CrackerJax]

Fly is a bit thick...if you haven't noticed already.

 

[Rob Roy]

I don't have a problem with a free market or "profit". Free markets are inherently "good", they involve the excercise of free will and choice. The very meaning of a free market is no outside intervention between producer/seller and consumer/buyer. If somebody wants to limit anothers profit on one kind of good what is there to stop them from limiting it on another type of good? Saying that "profit" is inherently bad is silly. If both buyer and seller agree to the terms who is another to intervene? Weed prices are market driven, don't blame the salesmen.

In a rational world, weed would be legal, then the black market that exists BECAUSE of prohibition would be gone and weed probably would cost $10 an ounce, as long as we don't include the inevitable confiscatory taxes that will surely come with "legalization" . Scarcity of a product coupled with demand increases prices. Everybody but the DEA seems to understand that. If weed were legal the "crime" of street drug dealing would mostly go away, since the profit margins would drop drastically due to increased legal supply and production economies of scale. Do you think street dealers will be able to compete with R.J. Reynolds?

While it's nice to give away or sell weed cheap, a person that earns an honest, but illegal living from selling weed is an entrepreneur, another self employed PRODUCER. There are worse things in life than being a producer, one could be a parasitic entitlement demanding nonproducer. Like the people that make and enforce pot laws!

If people believe they should have the freedom to smoke weed AND seek the best deal, shouldn't a person selling weed have the same freedom to set his prices just as if it were tomatoes or apples? You don't have to buy it from them if you don't like their price. You could always try growing it and risk the increased penalties of an unnatural market force - the cops.

...and no I don't sell weed.

 

[CrackerJax]

"FLY Like A Beagle" thinks it's just fine for a repeat felon to sell a 1/4 lb near a school.....

So much for his judgment....

 

[PadawanBater]

We can all debate the fairness of the law but fact is it's illegal, this guy knew it (if he didn't then he really is dumb) and he obviously got himself caught, with scales, a QP, baggies, and he was in a school zone! I don't think this guy will be going to any Mensa meetings anytime soon. I think it's fair to say that most of us agree the law is unfair. Sugar packets won't get you 35 years in prison............evidently a few ounces of weed will in some instances. We all know this so we have to take precautions and not do stupid things. I agree with your rationalization but it won't work on police, judges, and probably not juries either. That's just the facts of life right now bro.

See, isn't that the problem? How we just accept it "because it's the law"? My dad always gives me shit for my stance on this. "That's just the way it is" never compelled me, at all, to follow some bullshit law simply because it's the law. If you know something is wrong, you have an obligation to fight against it under all circumstances, even if it's already the established law. Laws aren't always right, a lot of them have basis' in racism or discrimination, and a lot of other ones favor the state.

If enough of us had this attitude weed would be legal.

What if the law was you had to go give some government agency all your identifying information; Name, address, dob, social security number, siblings, parents, closest living relatives, kids, pets, income, where you work, school history, car you drive, dl number, plate number, ... everything! And you had to pay $50 a year to "register" yourself to the state. Would you do it? It's the law!

Or what if they came up with a law that said your kids can't go out in public alone...?

Or if they said people couldn't smoke in public anymore...?

See what I mean, there are certain times when you need to just say "fuck that law, I'm deciding I'm not going to follow it". I call these laws "silver laws", "golden laws" shouldn't be broken under any circumstances, killing people, stealing shit... etc. This stuff we generally know to be wrong for a variety of reasons and you can also research the how's and why's of why right things are right and what makes things wrong, but it's a really complicated subject, I assure you. "Silver laws" are laws with previous conflicts of interest or laws that infringe upon our rights as human beings, which supersede those that the Untied States government imposes. Just like the Federal government sets laws that supersede the states.

That's my philosophy anyway...

 

[doc111]

I don't have a problem with a free market or "profit". Free markets are inherently "good", they involve the excercise of free will and choice. The very meaning of a free market is no outside intervention between producer/seller and consumer/buyer. If somebody wants to limit anothers profit on one kind of good what is there to stop them from limiting it on another type of good? Saying that "profit" is inherently bad is silly. If both buyer and seller agree to the terms who is another to intervene? Weed prices are market driven, don't blame the salesmen.

In a rational world, weed would be legal, then the black market that exists BECAUSE of prohibition would be gone and weed probably would cost $10 an ounce, as long as we don't include the inevitable confiscatory taxes that will surely come with "legalization" . Scarcity of a product coupled with demand increases prices. Everybody but the DEA seems to understand that. If weed were legal the "crime" of street drug dealing would mostly go away, since the profit margins would drop drastically due to increased legal supply and production economies of scale. Do you think street dealers will be able to compete with R.J. Reynolds?

While it's nice to give away or sell weed cheap, a person that earns an honest, but illegal living from selling weed is an entrepreneur, another self employed PRODUCER. There are worse things in life than being a producer, one could be a parasitic entitlement demanding nonproducer. Like the people that make and enforce pot laws!

If people believe they should have the freedom to smoke weed AND seek the best deal, shouldn't a person selling weed have the same freedom to set his prices just as if it were tomatoes or apples? You don't have to buy it from them if you don't like their price. You could always try growing it and risk the increased penalties of an unnatural market force - the cops.

...and no I don't sell weed.

We all know that if weed were to be legalized it would solve the problems associated with any black market product. The DEA knows this as well. They must figure it's more profitable for them if it's kept illegal. Or There are forces at work keeping it illegal in order eliminate competition. At this point, who knows. I don't think it's a big deal for people to sell a little weed. Especially in this economy.

 

[PadawanBater]

"FLY Like A Beagle" thinks it's just fine for a repeat felon to sell a 1/4 lb near a school.....

So much for his judgment....

Beagles are awesome man! Nice rhyming skillz tho!

I don't have a problem with a free market or "profit". Free markets are inherently "good", they involve the excercise of free will and choice. The very meaning of a free market is no outside intervention between producer/seller and consumer/buyer. If somebody wants to limit anothers profit on one kind of good what is there to stop them from limiting it on another type of good? Saying that "profit" is inherently bad is silly. If both buyer and seller agree to the terms who is another to intervene? Weed prices are market driven, don't blame the salesmen.

In a rational world, weed would be legal, then the black market that exists BECAUSE of prohibition would be gone and weed probably would cost $10 an ounce, as long as we don't include the inevitable confiscatory taxes that will surely come with "legalization" . Scarcity of a product coupled with demand increases prices. Everybody but the DEA seems to understand that. If weed were legal the "crime" of street drug dealing would mostly go away, since the profit margins would drop drastically due to increased legal supply and production economies of scale. Do you think street dealers will be able to compete with R.J. Reynolds?

While it's nice to give away or sell weed cheap, a person that earns an honest, but illegal living from selling weed is an entrepreneur, another self employed PRODUCER. There are worse things in life than being a producer, one could be a parasitic entitlement demanding nonproducer. Like the people that make and enforce pot laws!

If people believe they should have the freedom to smoke weed AND seek the best deal, shouldn't a person selling weed have the same freedom to set his prices just as if it were tomatoes or apples? You don't have to buy it from them if you don't like their price. You could always try growing it and risk the increased penalties of an unnatural market force - the cops.

...and no I don't sell weed.

omg pwn pwn pwn! lmfao

 

[doc111]

See, isn't that the problem? How we just accept it "because it's the law"? My dad always gives me shit for my stance on this. "That's just the way it is" never compelled me, at all, to follow some bullshit law simply because it's the law. If you know something is wrong, you have an obligation to fight against it under all circumstances, even if it's already the established law. Laws aren't always right, a lot of them have basis' in racism or discrimination, and a lot of other ones favor the state.

If enough of us had this attitude weed would be legal.

What if the law was you had to go give some government agency all your identifying information; Name, address, dob, social security number, siblings, parents, closest living relatives, kids, pets, income, where you work, school history, car you drive, dl number, plate number, ... everything! And you had to pay $50 a year to "register" yourself to the state. Would you do it? It's the law!

Or what if they came up with a law that said your kids can't go out in public alone...?

Or if they said people couldn't smoke in public anymore...?

See what I mean, there are certain times when you need to just say "fuck that law, I'm deciding I'm not going to follow it". I call these laws "silver laws", "golden laws" shouldn't be broken under any circumstances, killing people, stealing shit... etc. This stuff we generally know to be wrong for a variety of reasons and you can also research the how's and why's of why right things are right and what makes things wrong, but it's a really complicated subject, I assure you. "Silver laws" are laws with previous conflicts of interest or laws that infringe upon our rights as human beings, which supersede those that the Untied States government imposes. Just like the Federal government sets laws that supersede the states.

That's my philosophy anyway...

Where do I ever say "Oh well, that's just the way it is"? Come one bro, you know me. I don't accept these ridiculous laws. I am very active with NORML and MPP. Every chance I get I preach about how stupid the laws regarding cannabis are to anyone who will listen. Just because we don't accept the law doesn't change the reality...............It's illegal! A person can say "I don't recognize this law because it's unconstitutional, it's a victimless crime...." or what ever other argument you want to make. If that same person is caught what power do those words hold? Absolutely none. The system has got us by the balls right now. It's up to the people to change the law. We're getting closer but I still think we are a ways off from re-legalization. Get active! Joine NORML, join MPP, go to rallies or protests. Write your congressman. Whatever it takes, I agree, we have to get the laws changed!

 

[FlyLikeAnEagle]

"FLY Like A Beagle" thinks it's just fine for a repeat felon to sell a 1/4 lb near a school.....

So much for his judgment....

#1. He wasnt selling anything.

#2. It wasnt a school, it was a daycare.

#3. Your ability to survive this long with such a mental handicap is a marvel of nature.