Why I'm voting NO on prop. 19
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You really showed your ass here nipples. You can't smoke a cigarette in a bar why would you be able to smoke a joint?
You can get use to big business but I feel the world needs to revert to community not conformity.
Shame on you for being an ignorant fool who goes along with the bullshit you're being fed.
Did you read the link I posted earlier, didn't think so.
N!pples
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lol, You are an arsehole! You are crazy if you think Smoke bars like Hooka bars are not going to open up everywhere.. I'm not arguing, but stating my opinion! You sound like the ignorant dick and wouldn’t want to buy your pot or even smoke with you for thaqt matter!
Lol, "Showed my ass" You'd like that I'm sure! Vote YES! lol
Funny stuff!
nathenking
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come on man... it did sound really ignorant... like you were gonna be chillin in a local bar having a beer, watching the game and puffin a J... Im sure thats what you meant, and are now covering your trail brudda...
Needofweed
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The Rancho Cordova measure would impose a $600 annual tax per square foot of indoor cultivation of 25 square feet of marijuana or less and a $900 per square foot tax if the indoor growing area is more than 25 square feet.The city tax would cost a local indoor grower $6,000 a year on 10 square feet of pot plants and $15,000 for 25 square feet. Outdoor growers, who would be billed at a lower rate, would pay a $1,200 residential tax for 25 square feet of marijuana plants.If Proposition 19 passes, it would allow California adults over 21 to cultivate in a 25-square foot residential space. Medical growers often exceed those limits by cultivating with other potpatients. http://calpotnews.com/government/bal...ordovaballot/ these taxes brought to you buy prop19 and this is for everyone even prop215 people.this is why prop19 sucks there no limitations on the goverment capabilicies of every resteriction on the average joe.who the fuck want to get taxed to grow mj even if your not selling it. its bswe the people of ca. can only legalize mj once, then thats it.and prop 19 is the wores peace of legislative cap ive ever seen in my life.are people that desperate to smoke mj with government opproval.give me a fucking brake and get a life and build some fucking standers for fucks sake.</p>
veggiegardener
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It's obvious you haven't done any reading. The local jurisdiction thing will likely make nearly every aspect of Cannabis consumption ILLEGAL!
You want to smoke in public? Legally?
You're dreaming if you think this will happen, anywhere. They'll force you indoors to smoke your $20 joint, and you damn well better not have a kid in the house.
Educate yourself, or be a fool.
Fuck yeah, what he said.
Plus mothafuckin' rep needofweed! Sorry in advance to anyone I come off a bit strongly to.
I feel VERY strongly about prop19 and just hate the way it's being sold as legalization.
IT IS NOT LEGALIZATION. IT IS TAXATION AND REGULATION.
I don't even want to think of all the bad things it means to the world.
It sickens me when good ideas get turned into marketing strategies.
Plus mothafuckin' rep needofweed! Sorry in advance to anyone I come off a bit strongly to.
I feel VERY strongly about prop19 and just hate the way it's being sold as legalization.
IT IS NOT LEGALIZATION. IT IS TAXATION AND REGULATION.
I don't even want to think of all the bad things it means to the world.
It sickens me when good ideas get turned into marketing strategies.
veggiegardener
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I read that list before posting it. Strange bedfellows?
Maybe, but remember those folks haven't read any farther than you have.
Did you watch the video of the Lady lawyer? Letitia is her first name, and she's done the in depth research, as I have. I spent a big part of today talking to friends who have shown up on lists, supporting 19.
I believe I managed to get some to change their minds, and others promised to read this thread, and the links that have been posted. These are intelligent business people who understand the system.
All of them understand how laws can be misrepresented, as you are doing(hopefully because you haven't done the reading, yet).
You're my hero VG. You keep fighting the good fight brother.
Ok, some of you people really piss me off. Prop 19 makes a cannabis user innocent until proven guilty. Allows an ounce of possession. Allows anyone over 21 to grow.
And your voting NO? Thats just....pathetic.
I mean, do us intelligent people really have to spell it out for you dumbasses about how the world works?
miteubhi?, not sure how smart you are. But legalization IS TAXATION and regulation.
Are you being forced to go to the store to buy it? No, you can grow your own if you would like. When you do go buy, prices will drop and quality will rise, no more dry dealers, or being ripped off.
As for the growing space, when this passes, which it WILL. Most all the stoners in cali will be growing, except for the dumb ones. So, do you really think the feds or police can regulate the entire state and make sure they all grow in the designated growing area? HELL NO.
You people are saying that this will hurt the medical users, HOW? This will make it cheaper for them and not require anyone to get a medical card.
It will create more Jobs
More revenue for the state
More products, can you say, hemp clothes, hemp paper??
Not sure how smart you people are who are voting no, i bet the ones voting no are the ones making a profit and want to have a selfish monopoly, which is why it was made illegal in the first place, so your siding with the DEA, go fuck yourself.
And your voting NO? Thats just....pathetic.
I mean, do us intelligent people really have to spell it out for you dumbasses about how the world works?
miteubhi?, not sure how smart you are. But legalization IS TAXATION and regulation.
Are you being forced to go to the store to buy it? No, you can grow your own if you would like. When you do go buy, prices will drop and quality will rise, no more dry dealers, or being ripped off.
As for the growing space, when this passes, which it WILL. Most all the stoners in cali will be growing, except for the dumb ones. So, do you really think the feds or police can regulate the entire state and make sure they all grow in the designated growing area? HELL NO.
You people are saying that this will hurt the medical users, HOW? This will make it cheaper for them and not require anyone to get a medical card.
It will create more Jobs
More revenue for the state
More products, can you say, hemp clothes, hemp paper??
Not sure how smart you people are who are voting no, i bet the ones voting no are the ones making a profit and want to have a selfish monopoly, which is why it was made illegal in the first place, so your siding with the DEA, go fuck yourself.
veggiegardener
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You haven't even read 19 yet, otherwise(if you have any intelligence) you'd note that ALL the local ordinances are subject to local jurisdiction's prejudices.
Don't smoke where there are children, or you'll go to jail. If this passes, you'll be wishing you'd voted no, very soon.
nathenking
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Your attitude is not appreciated here brother... Maybe try again but from a humble point of view...
veggiegardener
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It's obvious that no one took the time to teach you critical thinking. I'm a medical grower for myself and three others. One is my oldest friend(we've been friends for nearly 50 years). 25 square feet, even indoors, growing non stop would not cover my needs. If I had to purchase our meds at local clubs, I would pay about $75,000 annually.
You expect us just to accept the limit and pay for it?
Or ignore THE LAW, and risk getting busted?
FUCK YOU!
Do some reading. You might learn something.
Did you just join this forum to post that? Talk about pathetic.
veggiegardener
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Your support and participation is greatly appreciated.
This is a battle I've been fighting, on and off since the '76 campaign to legalize. Had it passed then, the dust would have long been settled.
It would have saved us a ton of grief.(There have been about 2.5 million Marijuana arrests in California, alone, since then.)
Thanks again!
N!pples
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HAHA, Even the stranger had to chirp in because this post was so ridiculous... Guaranteed the naysayers area making profit and could care less about the average smoker! Its Greed my friend! The small smoker will prevail and I'll be smoking my joints in a weed bar soon enough!!! I dont need to smoke in public but I would like to be able to enjoy a joint just like I do a beer and that is 100% possible with prop 19!
Taxation and regulation! Hell YA! Get this state some money!!
Vote no If you like I'll still vote yes....
nathenking
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2.5mill damn that is alot... No wonder why the DEA and Cops dont want it to go "Controlled and Taxed"... they stand to lose there jobs...
veggiegardener
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If you believe that, I have a bridge for sale. Nice location, good revenues... Nice view of it from the Coit Tower.
N!pples
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It does not sound THAT bad to me... I don’t have children nor do I feel the need to smoke near or in front of them... I can wait till the children are away! That should change my mind? I don’t need to smoke it in the streets or public either! I just want to be able to smoke in peace with 21 and over friends and this will be possible if you can refrain from doing so in front of children, in the car or on the streets... Arguing this on a Marijuana growing site is so funny to me.. All these hidden agendas! People are crazy! Yes this means YOU!
N!ps
veggiegardener, you have failed to prove many of your points previously in this thread. What you are voting no against is the freedom of your fellow country-men. Thats pathetic, and in my opinion, you don't deserve to grow medically or not, if your for the restriction of freedom.
My belief is that you have something to personally gain, I just read over the bill, its not perfect, but absolutely awesome. prices are going to drop, quality will rise. Medical patients will benefit enormously, well, the ones who are not for profit, those who like to rip other people off, are fucked.
My belief is that you have something to personally gain, I just read over the bill, its not perfect, but absolutely awesome. prices are going to drop, quality will rise. Medical patients will benefit enormously, well, the ones who are not for profit, those who like to rip other people off, are fucked.
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