Vote NO on prop 19... (great read for anyone that will be voting in november in cali)

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underplay

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Well, the way i see it, the people growing outdoors are going to lose out. Once it passes people will be going for the best quality, the outdoor growers are gonna have crappy quality compared to the businesses in large warehouses.

So the pollination theory wont effect quality only more plants growing outside.

$10 a gram is an extremely high price, we only pay that much because its illegal. That price is going to skyrocket DOWN.
 
Needofweed

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wtf are you trying to say i dont sell weedbut i do have a 215 card ill be damed if ill pay taxes if im not makeing any mony on it wtf are disabled people that grow there own (CAUSE IT THE DAMN CHEAPEST WAY) under 215 but cant work going to do.it will never be that cheap and if is it will be crap you just buying in to the hype about cheap weed( ITS A LIE,THEY WANT MONEY)
 
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Ok, let me take that back, Needofweed has a small point. $1 is unpractical until the taxes get lowered below $50. But $5 a gram isnt over exaggerating in 2 years.

Once the taxes are lowered the price will drop from $5 to whatever, in proportion to the taxes.
 
Dan Kone

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Needofweed said:
besides the name, were els in the props literature dose it say legal or legalization.It doesnt../QUOTE]

I don't care if prop 19 is called the unicorns and fascism law. Names of ballot measures usually have little to do with the practical application of the law.

Basically, it's the substance that matters, not the label.

all it take about is taxes and regulations.Becuase thats all it does.
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If that's true then this should be really easy for you. Show me anywhere in prop 19 that actually adds a tax to cannabis. Anywhere. Just one. Show me.

If you can't do that then you should stop making that claim.
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Dan Kone

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underplay said:
Well, the way i see it, the people growing outdoors are going to lose out. Once it passes people will be going for the best quality, the outdoor growers are gonna have crappy quality compared to the businesses in large warehouses.
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More specifically, the rich NorCal massive scale outdoor growers. They will by far be the biggest losers of prop 19. But yeah, all outdoor will be harder to get rid of.
 
Needofweed

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say you got about 5.5 million people in cali that smoke weed...OKnow say each person smoke 2 grams a day.OK2x5.5million=11 million grams adayOKnow 11million X one year (365)=4.015 billion grams a year.OKnow divided that buy one kilo(1000 grams)..4.015 billion\1000=4,015,000 kilos a yearOKbut right now a huge percent of someker are prop215 paitent wich grow and smoke there own weed for cheap.but if 19 passes it will be cheaper for them to buy it due to outrages taxes on non profit growers and that floods the market with huge demand wich will raise prices to posibly never befor seen prices.this leaves a huge market for illegal sellers and yes even cartells wich will still grow illegal taxe free cheap weed.it will take an huge amount of square feet,electricity,wate,nutriens,and man power to provide for this demand and weed prices will drop maybe 20-60 dollors an oz. at the most.
 
Teeaytchsee

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Needofweed said:
say you got about 5.5 million people in cali that smoke weed...OKnow say each person smoke 2 grams a day.OK2x5.5million=11 million grams adayOKnow 11million X one year (365)=4.015 billion grams a year.OKnow divided that buy one kilo(1000 grams)..4.015 billion\1000=4,015,000 kilos a yearOKbut right now a huge percent of someker are prop215 paitent wich grow and smoke there own weed for cheap.but if 19 passes it will be cheaper for them to buy it due to outrages taxes on non profit growers and that floods the market with huge demand wich will raise prices to posibly never befor seen prices.this leaves a huge market for illegal sellers and yes even cartells wich will still grow illegal taxe free cheap weed.it will take an huge amount of square feet,electricity,wate,nutriens,and man power to provide for this demand and weed prices will drop maybe 20-60 dollors an oz. at the most.
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delusional. your "theories" have already been debunked. read farther back in this thread and a few others. following along at cannabisnews.com and NORML's website. learn the facts and read the measure. your initial complaint that preceded this nonsense was about a city ordinance which is in not controlled by prop 19. if you dont like that then speak to your city council or get out there and tell your neighbors how absurd that taxation is. prop 19 does in fact NOT state any mandatory taxation on personal propagation.

as far as prices go its all speculation, but simple market research will show there will be a a wide ranging flux in prices before settling. prices will likely settle at a much lower price (even taxed) than it is now simple because of the legality. store owners will compete and you have every right to say "your prices are too high im going to buy somewhere else".

these naysayers are getting ridiculous. for fucks sake get off your mildly retarded high horse and go read for a change.
 
Needofweed

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your right it does not state any mandatory taxation on personal propagationbut it does not protect against it either it leaves it open to the local government.all bullshit aside my main argument is that this bill is poorly writen and leaves to much up for debate and imagination.I think this forum is proof of that. I would rather kill this prop and wait to see if the ones that come after it will be better.And there will be more in 2012 election and i would rather wait. because once its passed it passed for good so my trying to get something better than this poor poor propbecause yes i got some staders. this prop will effect every one forever.!
 
Teeaytchsee

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again incorrect. read the voter's guide here: http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/pdf...posed-laws.pdf.

if it is still unclear to you then read the translation previously posted by Peron's lawyer for simple explanation.

your short-sighted idea to kill the prop and wait for better is simply foolish and hurtful to the rest of the cannabis community (also previously stated). im tired of hearing unfounded nonsense from people too lazy or prideful to read. your fears based on nothing should not halt progression.
 
nathenking

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Teeaytchsee said:
again incorrect. read the voter's guide here: http://www.voterguide.sos.ca.gov/pdf...posed-laws.pdf.

if it is still unclear to you then read the translation previously posted by Peron's lawyer for simple explanation.

your short-sighted idea to kill the prop and wait for better is simply foolish and hurtful to the rest of the cannabis community (also previously stated). im tired of hearing unfounded nonsense from people too lazy or prideful to read. your fears based on nothing should not halt progression.
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Well, where we are coming from we think you have short-sighted ideas with long term consequences brudda... Its a difference of opinion... To each his own...
 
Burger Boss

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Well the response is sure nuff' "underwhelming", LOL. But what the heck, here's a few MORE!:

Ann Coulter with Cheech & Chong: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRXR_pk_MVA&p=9A8A972296847948&playnext=1&index=1

Here's an MD's opinion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LkCcmd5it4&feature=related

"Sum of Change" has a point
of view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEvQPyqWIPQ

And finally, the "anti" point
of view, (great arguments here!): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIbUf13GStQ&feature=related

That should keep you busy for a while........BB
 
Burger Boss

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nathenking said:
Wow BB, you sure can regurgitate other peoples opinions like a champ...
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So sorry for your take, I realize you can't help it Nate, that's OK. Gee, "regurgitating" the opinions of Dr.'s, Police Chief's, the Conservatives, National organizations, Well Known commentators, and Labor Unions was a pretty lame thing for me to try!
So, from now on I'll just make up shit as I go along. That seems the be the "tried & true" method of the Naysayers anyway.
Good luck & good grow, and SEE YA AT THE POLLS!.......BB
 
nathenking

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Its still regurgitation my man... Heres a link for this, heres a link for that... oh and a link for this... WOW!!!! Great Job!!! You still dont get the fact that people are gonna feel the way they feel and are gonna vote the way they vote.... Im not trying to change anybodies minds on this thread... Are you??
 
TokinPodPilot

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Of course they are. Regardless of what the polls say or don't say, the fact is that ANY cannabis-related legislation will typically require almost near solidarity among medical and recreational smokers and well as a healthy dose of support from the non-smoking public to achieve the majority a voter initiative needs to pass.

And to all those who keep calling medical cannabis a scam, fraud or whatever, the fact is that Prop 215 is purposely ambiguous in it's applicability. Medical cannabis is for anyone that derives any benefit to life and/or quality of life from cannabis use. This was an important part of the discussions that went into the drafting of Prop. 215.
 
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