CA SMOKERS. PASS PROP 19! LEGALIZE WEED NOVEMBER 2nd!

[TokinPodPilot]

Interesting topics and debates going on in this thread...personally i say dont legalize yet. the government will just grab us by the nuts and get the most outta it.

IF, and i say if, it passes...DO YOU HAVE TO BE 21??

because im a 19yr old card holder..does that take away my rights as a medical user?

im freakin out man!!

It shouldn't affect your status as a med patient. Of course, that is assuming that the municipality in question decides to interpret the law correctly. Any of your friends who haven't or won't get their recommendations could be screwed.

 

[HappyBuddha]

I hope prop 19 passes !! good luck !!

 

[golddog]

I hope prop 19 passes !! good luck !!

I will be voting yes on Prop 19

don't forget to vote:

Attorney General : Vote for Kamaka D. Harris - very important !

 

[Rod Payne]

Everyone needs to vote! If you know someone in California let them know their vote will change California, the U.S.A and eventually the world. One step at time, this our OUR TIME!

 

[Hawker54]

What he said! If you live in cali. Vote No!!! Don't send our state into the plummeting hands of hell! They just want money! They have enough! We the people need to keep it the way it is to make that doe! $$$$$$$$$$$

ha Ha you complain that the government wants money, but want to make sure YOU make as much MONEY as you can selling. This Prop 19 is more important than just you and what YOU want!!!!! It is another step in the right direction toward decriminalization for the whole country, eventually. The laws are ruining some peoples lives and that could be you!

 

[JayTrinity]

If prop 19 passes then enjoy your 25 square feet of growing while the big guys will continue to get 60,000 and 100,000 SF super grow centers. Great way to take 10,000 jobs and compress them into 300.

 

[mr2shim]

If prop 19 passes then enjoy your 25 square feet of growing while the big guys will continue to get 60,000 and 100,000 SF super grow centers. Great way to take 10,000 jobs and compress them into 300.

Prop 19 doesn't affect 215 in any way, shape or form. All it does it legalize it and tax it for recreational users. Doesn't change anything in 215. It's in the Proposition.

 

[JayTrinity]

Prop 19 doesn't affect 215 in any way, shape or form. All it does it legalize it and tax it for recreational users. Doesn't change anything in 215. It's in the Proposition.

Yeah thats why I never said it did and did not refer to any part of prop 215.

 

[mr2shim]

Yeah thats why I never said it did and did not refer to any part of prop 215.

So true. Re read your post. I guess big business has to put it's hand in everything.

 

[desert dude]

Vote yes on p19. Here is a legal analysis by a practicing CA MMJ attorney. P19 does not change MMJ laws at all, it just legalizes MJ for recreational use.

http://hightimes.com/blog/evan/6681

 

[beardo]

ha Ha you complain that the government wants money, but want to make sure YOU make as much MONEY as you can selling. This Prop 19 is more important than just you and what YOU want!!!!! It is another step in the right direction toward decriminalization for the whole country, eventually. The laws are ruining some peoples lives and that could be you!

If prop 19 passes it could get even worse

 

[beardo]

All I can say is that I think its very sad that chance to legalize marijuana could be defeated not by conservative but by potsmokers. That is just sad. I can hear Jack Herer rolling in his grave now.

Greed seems to be the main issue for those who oppose it. What the hell ever happen to "marijuana is evil"? At least that came from others that didn't understand the substance.

So passing the medical marijuana law was good, that put a nickel in your pocket, but legalizing it is bad because that might take a penny out of yours? So marijuana isn't evil anymore, it's "I got it and dont want anyone else to have it because that might cost me a penny"? This is classic case of a "house niggar". He thinks he's better than the rest of the nigga's because the man lets him sleep inside the mansion, and now he thinks he too owns the house. Lets get this straight: you dont own the house, you shine man shoes and take out his garbage.

Taxes: you dont want to pay taxes but you want to drive on the road. House niggar says "I dont pay taxes, the master pays the taxes". Guess what, if you own a car (first you have to have the right to own one) then you have to pay taxes to build and maintain the road. Its that simple. Or just keep being a house niggar driving the mans car. Let me clear: this doesn't you make better than the man, this makes you his niggar. He pays taxes on you, like his car, his house, and his pig in the barn.

Competition: sure there going to be the "Bud Light" beers of marijauna. I mean the end of prohibition sure did fuck up the wine industry in California. I mean, with all the cheap beer being available who the hell would shell out more money for a bottle of wine. Nobody give a shit about tast, varity in flavors, or the alchole content of wine. Shit man, they got cheap beer. Besides, everyone knows that California has the worst growing climate in the US and even if you can sell across state lines, who the hell would buy that bottle of piss. Let me be clear: you will have a market to sell your bud. That same way the organic farmer sells his vegies to Whole Foods

Tourism: um anyone one ever take a trip to Amsterdam to smoke weed? Hmm . . . can anyone say multi billion dollar boost to the California economy. But who needs jobs, or more money in this economy, certainly not the house niggar, he got a job and bed to sleep in, even if he doesn't own the mattress.

I can go on but I wont. Look this will improve your position not hurt it. And as important, it will help the rest of the US in leagalizing it as well (this is part of your market as well).

funny you bring up Jack Herer ...he passed away right after saying how we shouldn't pay any taxes on marijuana. I thought greed was the major reason this bill was written and bankrolled. and as for driving on the road-As soon as they allow me to excercise my RIGHT to drive on roads I pay taxes for and my forfathers helped create I will stop bitching about paying taxes

 

[growone]

funny you bring up Jack Herer ...he passed away right after saying how we shouldn't pay any taxes on marijuana. I thought greed was the major reason this bill was written and bankrolled. and as for driving on the road-As soon as they allow me to excercise my RIGHT to drive on roads I pay taxes for and my forfathers helped create I will stop bitching about paying taxes

and just as funny that you don't mention his family's statement on prop 19
initially, Jack Herer was against prop 215, until he changed mind
which is his family's opinion is what he would have done if he was still alive

 

[beardo]

and just as funny that you don't mention his family's statement on prop 19
initially, Jack Herer was against prop 215, until he changed mind
which is his family's opinion is what he would have done if he was still alive

he changed his mind after death??? check out his FINAL speech given the day he passed. And I mean no disrespect to jack or his family Crypotic invoked his name to mislead people and misrepresent jacks life's work. he didn't support the TAX And REGULATE Prop 19

 

[beardo]

and just as funny that you don't mention his family's statement on prop 19
initially, Jack Herer was against prop 215, until he changed mind
which is his family's opinion is what he would have done if he was still alive

he changed his mind after death??? check out his FINAL speech given the day he passed. he says we should not pay any tax on marijuana. And I mean no disrespect to jack or his family Crypotic invoked his name to mislead people and misrepresent jacks life's work. he didn't support the TAX And REGULATE Prop 19

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[growone]

he changed his mind after death??? check out his FINAL speech given the day he passed. And I mean no disrespect to jack or his family Crypotic invoked his name to mislead people and misrepresent jacks life's work. he didn't support the TAX And REGULATE Prop 19

no, he died criticizing prop 19, that was the last 'snapshot' of his point of view
but he had changed his mind in the past, i.e. prop 215, didn't like it at the start, but accepted it as an advance in MJ rights
now if he was still alive, what would his view be? that we can only speculate on
but if his proposition/vision was realized, it would be the corporate dream, you would have MJ walmart's springing up overnight
i know he would not have wanted to see that, would have hated such an idea
but he did show that he could be pragmatic when he needed to be to advance MJ rights

 

[potroast]

Oh, come on, Growone! Have some sympathy.


beardo doesn't know what pragmatic means!

 

[doc111]

no, he died criticizing prop 19, that was the last 'snapshot' of his point of view
but he had changed his mind in the past, i.e. prop 215, didn't like it at the start, but accepted it as an advance in MJ rights
now if he was still alive, what would his view be? that we can only speculate on
but if his proposition/vision was realized, it would be the corporate dream, you would have MJ walmart's springing up overnight
i know he would not have wanted to see that, would have hated such an idea
but he did show that he could be pragmatic when he needed to be to advance MJ rights

Unfortunately MJ walmarts are an inevitable outcome of legalization, at least if our present corporate mindset and demand for cheap, marginally effective goods continues. Most of us welcomed walmarts when they first started springing up nationally. They sold American made products at an affordable price. They didn't start out evil. They had the best of intentions but it didn't last long. The days of mom & pop anything will soon go the way of the dodo bird, dinosaurs and cheap gas. I certainly hope we can hold fast to what really matters but in this country we want to have our cake and eat it too...............we're learning that's not really possible.

 

[potroast]

Yes!! We are having some cake when this passes!

 

[growone]

Unfortunately MJ walmarts are an inevitable outcome of legalization, at least if our present corporate mindset and demand for cheap, marginally effective goods continues. Most of us welcomed walmarts when they first started springing up nationally. They sold American made products at an affordable price. They didn't start out evil. They had the best of intentions but it didn't last long. The days of mom & pop anything will soon go the way of the dodo bird, dinosaurs and cheap gas. I certainly hope we can hold fast to what really matters but in this country we want to have our cake and eat it too...............we're learning that's not really possible.

MJ could go big corporate unless there are some legal impediments to it
but i do agree if MJ is just legalized, then big corporations will be tough to compete with
my guess is MJ will be a rather strictly regulated commodity in the future, many will be uncomfortable with large visible MJ super stores
i'll deal with the risk of super stores as an acceptable trade, i could grow what i want at home
not many juries are going to convict anyone of home cultivation with mega MJ grows in operation, regardless of whatever bogus laws that might be contrived