Issues With Prop 19 Solved! Now we can all Support it.
- Thread starter Dan Kone
- Start date
Sure Shot
Well-Known Member
klmmicro
Well-Known Member
Mexico can burn whatever they want...they get 0% of my business already. I do not smoke anything where I do not know the grower personally or that I grow myself. I am a legal patient and take advantage of the laws as they are. My rule to make sure that nothing I do supports the corruption that is south of the border. Also, I not support the imported criminals from down south that have come up here to spread their lawlessness in our backwoods. Prop 19 will greatly diminish the money that the cartels make from citizens in California, though I doubt it will do anything to curb their growth efforts in our state. The ground is too fertile here and it is easy for them to move it to states where there IS money to be made.
Sure Shot
Well-Known Member
[youtube]XUfTdASDfHo[/youtube]prop 19 ADDS new felonies to the books.
jsbdkjabcfkjabwejkcvbaqwkcvbn
klmmicro
Well-Known Member
While I understand this argument...
Hayduke
Well-Known Member
How many of those were in California???...Unfortunately This is not H.R. 19...Nor does it do anything to stop arrests for possession.
If anyone thinks that the passage of 19 will suddenly make chicken shit pigs start fighting real crime rather than taking advantage of the situation they are seriously high.
Stipulating that the costs associated with the taxing, controlling and regulating of Marijuana INSURES that it will be heavily taxed, highly controlled and regulated ad nauseum...think DMV IF all you have to do to get more revenue for the bureaucracy is raise the fee...
How much prop 19 taxes will go to improving our shitty school system???
And the Cartels...what a joke!!! We smoke so little Mexican pot here...it is near worthless.
While Los Federales were distracted confiscating all that mota...the cartels were sneaking in the Heroin and meth with the help of the bilingual US Border Patrol
desert dude
Well-Known Member
P19 makes possession of one ounce legal, carry it wherever you want. P19 makes it legal to possess, in your home, all that you can grow in 25 square feet. Current law makes both of those things illegal.How many of those were in California???...Unfortunately This is not H.R. 19...Nor does it do anything to stop arrests for possession.
If anyone thinks that the passage of 19 will suddenly make chicken shit pigs start fighting real crime rather than taking advantage of the situation they are seriously high.
Stipulating that the costs associated with the taxing, controlling and regulating of Marijuana INSURES that it will be heavily taxed, highly controlled and regulated ad nauseum...think DMV IF all you have to do to get more revenue for the bureaucracy is raise the fee...
How much prop 19 taxes will go to improving our shitty school system???
And the Cartels...what a joke!!! We smoke so little Mexican pot here...it is near worthless.
While Los Federales were distracted confiscating all that mota...the cartels were sneaking in the Heroin and meth with the help of the bilingual US Border Patrol
If you are worried about the taxes and fees, then don't pay them; you will be breaking the law for evading those taxes, but your are breaking the law by growing pot now. What's the fucking difference?
klmmicro
Well-Known Member
Just remember that this is a STATE Prop and will only effect the state law. The feds can and have stated will still continue to prosecute cannabis possession and production. Something tells me that an ounce of weed is a bit small for the DEA to waste time on, but you never know. My belief is that Prop 19, if passed is another step in decriminalizing cannabis on a federal level. We have seen the process begun with the medical laws that various states have passed, and continue to pass.
desert dude
Well-Known Member
All true. P19 is just another chink in the armor of the federal narco-industrial complex.
Hayduke
Well-Known Member
Although I am not above breaking an unjust law...I am not breaking any in regards to my growing cannabis.
As for that legal zip of commercial bug spray...The only way that prop 19 is a better deal is if you get caught about every other time you have an ounce...get caught...pay the $100 tax...personally, I have not been caught since 1993 in pot unfriendly Missouri.
Personally I would rather pay my tax to the guy who was nice enough to give up his medical career to give letters of freedom to those who want them.
I think I will start an ebay store exclusively selling 5x5 tents...cause if your plants hang outside Dicks magic square...then all that pot could be taken cuz you are not in compliance with dicks regulation.
Legalize pot so we can grow it with the sun!!!!!
desert dude
Well-Known Member
If you are growing, you are breaking federal law. If you are growing MMJ, then P19 will have no affect on you.Although I am not above breaking an unjust law...I am not breaking any in regards to my growing cannabis.
As for that legal zip of commercial bug spray...The only way that prop 19 is a better deal is if you get caught about every other time you have an ounce...get caught...pay the $100 tax...personally, I have not been caught since 1993 in pot unfriendly Missouri.
Personally I would rather pay my tax to the guy who was nice enough to give up his medical career to give letters of freedom to those who want them.
I think I will start an ebay store exclusively selling 5x5 tents...cause if your plants hang outside Dicks magic square...then all that pot could be taken cuz you are not in compliance with dicks regulation.
Legalize pot so we can grow it with the sun!!!!!
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
Correct. 1 plant even for medical purposes is a federal crime.
veggiegardener
Well-Known Member
If you want to grow in 25 sq. ft., I have a design worked out for outdoor growing that will allow me to get a yield of about five or six pounds from that space. I've also developed some ideas for indoor spaces that could yield nearly as much, every ten weeks or so.
I'll be offering blueprints for a price, and might even start fabricating them, IF this travesty passes. I'm thinking people are starting to see the flaws.
desert dude
Well-Known Member
That's the spirit! Make some money no matter what happens.
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
The Ruiner
Well-Known Member
Dan....
What is the point of an assembly bill if it will have no authority to over-ride a voter initiative? Ammiano's bill is powerless and cant do anything...Voter initiatives cant be altered except by ANOTHER VOTER INITIATIVE. I just saw this thread and didnt have the stomach for 43 pages of stuff I have already seen, but I think that this is just another distraction from the real and glaring issues. Did anyone bring else bring this up?
What is the point of an assembly bill if it will have no authority to over-ride a voter initiative? Ammiano's bill is powerless and cant do anything...Voter initiatives cant be altered except by ANOTHER VOTER INITIATIVE. I just saw this thread and didnt have the stomach for 43 pages of stuff I have already seen, but I think that this is just another distraction from the real and glaring issues. Did anyone bring else bring this up?
Dan Kone
Well-Known Member
It doesn't over ride it. The ability to amend the limits set by prop 19 are written into the ballot measure, the 25 sq ft/1 ounce limits are MINIMUMS, not maximums. And there is no set penalty in prop 19 for exceeding those limits. If an assembly bill wants to set that penalty as a $100 fine, they can. There isn't a contradiction there.