NO! On Prop 19

[veggiegardener]

It just doesn't make sense to me why Lee would write this bill to limit individuals so much without a hidden agenda. This will probably will be a close decision and if it fails it will be because marijuana supporters aren't all on board do to personal restrictions. If this bill fails the only person you can blame is Lee for not writing this bill for the people.

Precisely!

 

[veggiegardener]

im sorry what is limiting about 19? It allows for Everyone of age is to grow more bud than they need...

Not so, and the idea that the 25 sq. ft. as a minimum is misleading. In Rancho Cordova, they want to charge $900 per square foot for grows larger than 25 sq. ft.

At that price, an oz. will cost you at least $1000.

 

[stonedmetalhead1]

Of course it doesn't make sense to you, you have made that abundantly clear. The big picture is difficult to grasp. But putting the blame for this not passing on Lee is ridiculous. If it doesn't pass, it will be because of people like YOU are are campaigning against it. Please try to take some responsibility instead of blaming others for your actions.

But of course, a typical conspiracy theorist will always place blame elsewhere.

Please vote YES.

Give me one good reasons these restrictions on citizens should be in the bill.

It is Lee's fault. He tried to impose legislation that directly set him up for control while screwing the average person. I'm not going to vote for that just because it dangles marijuana reform in my face. It's a horrible bill and the problem with people is that they are so impatient and want instant gratification. I personally would never vote for a piece of legislation as shotty as prop 19.

 

[veggiegardener]

if prop 19 tried to spell out a specific regulatory framework for commercial sales, it would have likely become a nightmare of complexity
it's already too complicated for many who suspect the worst
you may get a permit process that is less than ideal at the local level
but there are other laws that regulate commerce, and MJ will start to fall under those laws
that some sketchy deals will appear i have no doubt, but there other checks and balances
local officials screwing you over? these people are quite vulnerable in local elections, organize and get them out of there

Sorry.

Badly written Propositions should never be passed.

My Dad told me to always vote NO on Propositions unless the benefit is OBVIOUS. He knew several California governors, including Pat Brown and Ronald Reagan, and knew something about how the process works.

This bill has far too much negative baggage.

Encourage everyone to vote NO!

 

[fdd2blk]

Of course it doesn't make sense to you, you have made that abundantly clear. The big picture is difficult to grasp. But putting the blame for this not passing on Lee is ridiculous. If it doesn't pass, it will be because of people like YOU are are campaigning against it. Please try to take some responsibility instead of blaming others for your actions.

But of course, a typical conspiracy theorist will always place blame elsewhere.

Please vote YES.

i have done a lot to push the NO campaign. if this prop fails i will take FULL responsibility.

now call your DR.

 

[veggiegardener]

Now, if you want to take responsibility for paying the national debt, I'm all for it.

I offered, but they wanted my name and a legible signature. I won't go THAT far!

Regarding P19, I want SOME of the credit for sending it back to the drawing board!

Or maybe not. These kids might go after blood.

LOL

 

[Burger Boss]

Not so, and the idea that the 25 sq. ft. as a minimum is misleading. In Rancho Cordova, they want to charge $900 per square foot for grows larger than 25 sq. ft.

At that price, an oz. will cost you at least $1000.

One shit hole municipality gets state wide attention for an outrageous attempt to thwart the coming prop 19, and the nay sayers seize upon it, like this is "The model" for every city in CA!
Rancho Cordova's little "adventure through the looking glass", wont last 5 minutes in court!
There will be NO $1000 per ounce private grows.....BB

 

[desert dude]

Give me one good reasons these restrictions on citizens should be in the bill.

It is Lee's fault. He tried to impose legislation that directly set him up for control while screwing the average person. I'm not going to vote for that just because it dangles marijuana reform in my face. It's a horrible bill and the problem with people is that they are so impatient and want instant gratification. I personally would never vote for a piece of legislation as shotty as prop 19.

I will give you one good reason the restrictions have to be in the bill: it won't pass otherwise. CA is filled up with ordinary people. They don't much like hop heads, and they won't vote for an initiative that says, "free all the convicts, and legalize growing and selling an unlimited quantity of MJ". It is that simple. CCCHI won't be on the 2012 ballot, and if it does get there by some miracle, it won't pass.

 

[luvourmother]

Not so, and the idea that the 25 sq. ft. as a minimum is misleading. In Rancho Cordova, they want to charge $900 per square foot for grows larger than 25 sq. ft.

At that price, an oz. will cost you at least $1000.

so don't grow more than 25 sq ft if you are resident in a city that MIGHT tag high fees to get a license to grow. or move

25 sq ft allows for more plants than 420 every did. you are full of shit

 

[luvourmother]

Give me one good reasons these restrictions on citizens should be in the bill.

It is Lee's fault. He tried to impose legislation that directly set him up for control while screwing the average person. I'm not going to vote for that just because it dangles marijuana reform in my face. It's a horrible bill and the problem with people is that they are so impatient and want instant gratification. I personally would never vote for a piece of legislation as shotty as prop 19.

so what exactly is wrong with 19?

 

[luvourmother]

25 sq ft! no free market! yeah that's not limiting.

25 sq ft is more than enough space to grow more bud than a person can smoke themselves, it also allows for more plants than 420/215 does...

do you know what free market even means? obviously not!! lol

 

[abudsmoker]

vote no or this might happen

http://www.break.com/index/funny-prop-19-attack-ad-1943704

 

[nathenking]

25 sq ft is more than enough space to grow more bud than a person can smoke themselves, it also allows for more plants than 420/215 does...

do you know what free market even means? obviously not!! lol

your crazy if you think 5x5 is enough room man.... i do 3 5x5 areas now, so why should i vote for something where im still gonna be illegal, dont change much for me...

 

[luvourmother]

your crazy if you think 5x5 is enough room man.... i do 3 5x5 areas now, so why should i vote for something where im still gonna be illegal, dont change much for me...

how much weed do you need for yourself? if you are "selling" to others why not just become a legit business when 19 passes?

i dont share too much information about spacing and amount of plants because we have developed aeroponics system that can fit between 20-35 plants (depending on strain) with a few feet to spare within 25 sq ft space. you have to think outside the box of what growers have traditionally been doing up until this point. the possibility to yield more bud in less space is huge and very marketable whether 19 passes or not.

 

[desert dude]

... so why should i vote for something where im still gonna be illegal, dont change much for me...

For the same reason I should vote to exonerate those convicted in the past for marijuana convictions. It is the right thing to do. It's not all about you.

 

[mccumcumber]

Federally growing is still illegal regardless. If you have your 215, why would you care what 19 restrictions are, they do not affect you in the slightest. Just continue doing what you've been doing, nothing;s going to change.

 

[SwungChris]

Prop 19 is no conspiracy theory. It's not about this person making money or that person making money, it's about rights. The man who got it put on the ballot would never have followed through with it if it was just about money. I personally am tired of being considered a criminal because I smoke pot. I have to lie to get some stupid ass medical card. I have to lie just to get a job. I pay prices that are outrageous just because I can't grow in my apartment. I can care less what the federal government thinks they're a bunch of idiotic assholes. They can't even take care of illegal immigration and do you think that it bothers them that our money goes to fighting a war on "drugs." I have already voted yes on prop. 19 and I know many others will join me.

 

[veggiegardener]

Prop 19 is no conspiracy theory. It's not about this person making money or that person making money, it's about rights. The man who got it put on the ballot would never have followed through with it if it was just about money. I personally am tired of being considered a criminal because I smoke pot. I have to lie to get some stupid ass medical card. I have to lie just to get a job. I pay prices that are outrageous just because I can't grow in my apartment. I can care less what the federal government thinks they're a bunch of idiotic assholes. They can't even take care of illegal immigration and do you think that it bothers them that our money goes to fighting a war on "drugs." I have already voted yes on prop. 19 and I know many others will join me.

When he added the 25 sq. ft limit and the minimum 21 age limit, he doomed his investment to failure.

Opening the option for each jurisdiction to write its own ordinances nailed the coffin shut.

Forgetting to exempt MMJ grows and patients from those rules will cause the remains to be dug up, and burned in effigy.

No on P19.

 

[fdd2blk]

25 square feet per HOUSEHOLD.

what if 4 smokers live in the same house? they only get 6.25 square feet each.

 

[abudsmoker]

25 square feet per HOUSEHOLD.

what if 4 smokers live in the same house? they only get 6.25 square feet each.

you can grow lowryder with cfl's

please dont ban me for that ....

i remember the CFL's are stupid thread years back