1st HID Tent Grow- 600w

eyezla

Active Member
Ok, After a LONG struggle with the "journal" tab in the bottom of "my rollitup" page, I finally got good advice to start a thread on here! This is my 1st thread, as well as my my first real grow as well. I did have 2 grows with CFL's but I was so naive, no nutrients, no ventilation....it just didn't count, lol.

Before I start, there is just one thing I want to say to be a precedent for my grow

I have seen lots of great bud in my day, and my taste has become elite, so now I am striving to grow the best herb possible. I have a friend who grows and he doesn't even PH his water!!! He says he doesnt have the time, or that it doesn't need all the pampering and over analyzing that these "high tech stoners" are getting into.
This was the catalyst that brought me to my grow. His bud was not bad, and neither are Honda's, they are easy, cheap, and most of all, they work. If he wants to grow Honda weed, more power to him, he's probably growing to sell, and it really wasn't bad stuff... But I am growing for my own personal head stash, and I want my bud to be LAMBORGINI!! I am willing to put in the extra time and effort that some may see as tedious or unnecessary, but to me it isn't, I will get joy simply from the sake of tending to my garden...I know this is my 1st grow, so I don't want to get over ambitious about my expectations, But my ultimate mission is this quest to produce not quantity, but the highest quality herb possible.
I am sick of getting decent bud from people but still finding myself too picky and wishing it were better, it is time to manifest my desires and grow that shit myself! I want to have my own perpetual grow with amazing strains, not all the commercial crap that people grow for yield. when the day comes that I get a rare cut of some elite genetics, I want to make sure I don't ruin it. I want to confidently grow out a 16 week sativa with a low yield, but will only do so when I can grow it to lamborgini status, do ya feel me!?
Because of this, I need the input and advice of all you great green thumbs here on RUI, so please feel free to throw out some input or advice or anything you'd like, its all good in my hood. Wow that got long, but it felt like an important part of the grow for you to know where I'm coming from on this. No short cuts, no half ass, trying to get the best damn bud I can possibly achieve, and doin it passionately. So here we go peeps!!!!
 

eyezla

Active Member
OK Here are the schematics of my grow:

4x4x7 grow tent
600w MH conversion bulb
600w HPS bulb (hortilux)
XtraSun 600 hps ballast
6" duct fan to cool my vented light hood (188cfm)
4" Active Air inline fan for filter and exhaust (165cfm)
Roots Organic Potting Soil
And Canna Terra nutrients (the whole line of products, 6 total: Terra Vega, Terra Flora, Cannazym, Rhizotonic, Boost, and PK 13/14)

The 2 strains I have are Lemon Skunk and Stinky (romulan x grapefruit)
 

Attachments

eyezla

Active Member
First I forgot to mention that these pics are from a few weeks ago, and I am posting entries from the past and am working my way up to current. The Plants came home on 11/16/10, that is the date of those 1st pictures.

Ok So I had a really weird thing happen. The plants I bought were from someone else so I wanted to spray them down with a 3 in 1 treatment spray just to be sure they would be clean. I know someone at a dispensary who uses Garden Safe Fungicide3, which is a insecticide, fungicide, miticide... good stuff, he said could use it every day if needed, plus the leaves like it. So on 11/18 I bought some stuff that looked like the same stuff, but it was actually different (pic of the wrong stuff included). So I soak the plants, and the next day, the leaves are burnt!? I know it was from that spray because the light wasn't too close, my temps are chilling at 70ish (leaving the tent open all day while I'm still in veg) no nutrients had been given because the new soil I knew would provide for a few days....the only thing out of the ordinary was this spray!! So I look at the ingredients, and sure enough, it is TOTALLY different. Turns out the:

Garden Safe Fungicide3 was : Clarified hydrophobic extract of neem oil 0.9%, and Inert ingredients : 99.1%.

The Safer 3 in 1 was: Potassium Salts of Fatty Acids 0.75%, Sulfur 0.40%, OTHER 98.85%

I am 90% sure it was from that busted ass safer spray....The pics in THIS post are from 11/20. Anyone feel free to jump in and let me know if that looks fishy or any input at all, tho I have basically convinced myself that it was soley from the spray which I'll never use again.
 

Attachments

Lt. Dan

Well-Known Member
Nice looking setup!
I'd like to sub and watch this grow...... I've got the same light and am thinking about changing my plans in the garage and buying a tent, instead of building a cab.

What kind of tent did you get?
How do you like it?
 

eyezla

Active Member
So after I burnt the plants with the spray, I took alot of the damaged leaves off...they looked like they were chokingly tight at the base of each leaf, and I just decided out with the old, in with the new. However, aside from the burns on the inner parts of the leaves, alot of other leaves started looking really bad at the same time. I didn't remove them because it just seemed like it could be a good diagnostic tool to watch the leaves. I wanted to pull them off but I also didnt want to leave the plants too bare. So a day or 2 later, I mix up my 2nd batch of nutrients for the plants. The first feeding was at 1/2 strength, a few days before, this was a normal strength dosage.(btw, I have a calendar now, so from here on out, I will have more precise dates and scheduled feedings and whatnot. Also I will work on making labels to easily identify which plant is which) I was worried that I could have burned the plants by going full strength too fast on the nutes...but since alot of the leaves looked bad anyway, I couldn't tell if the nutes were an issue or not. My new growth on top looks good, so I figured it was ok, but now i am getting concerned. My new growth is still good, but the bad leaves look much worse, and it feels like something more than damage from that Safer 3n1 spray. I am about to take off all the bad lookin leaves, but wanted to take pics and post them 1st so you all can see them. If you notice, the lemon skunk (pics 1,3,6,7,8,10) has different symptoms than the stinky (pics 2,4,9,11). Lemon has yellowing leaves but the veins remain green, leaves eventually browning in between the veins. The stinky just has yellowing and browning from the tips into the leaves (if that makes sense)
 

Attachments

eyezla

Active Member
Nice looking setup!
I'd like to sub and watch this grow...... I've got the same light and am thinking about changing my plans in the garage and buying a tent, instead of building a cab.

What kind of tent did you get?
How do you like it?
Thanks Lt. Dan!! Your my 1st contributor :). The tent I have is a Hydro Hut Silver edition. I did lots of tent research, defenitly the way to go, they were the only tent company to acknowledge the toxic offgassing issue that grow tents were having a few years back, (I'll try to find an older post of mine on a diff thread to show you). They Addressed the issue and righted their wrongs, so I have faith in them. Love everything about the tent except the quality of the zipper, i foresee a camping tent repair kit some day when it does break after daily zipping and unzipping. I still am totally pleased tho
 

eyezla

Active Member
These are a few leaves I pulled off the stinky just for a more clear shot. Now I'm about to go down to my tent and take off every yellow leaf, as to better monitor the progression of whatever is going on. I am not doing anything to treat these plants yet, just plain water every 3rd feeding, So if anyone has any ideas, feel free to suggest. Canna nutrient levels are based on the feeding chart card I got with them. I can post these numbers too if needed
 

Attachments

bekindbud

Well-Known Member
Ok, After a LONG struggle with the "journal" tab in the bottom of "my rollitup" page, I finally got good advice to start a thread on here! This is my 1st thread, as well as my my first real grow as well. I did have 2 grows with CFL's but I was so naive, no nutrients, no ventilation....it just didn't count, lol.

Before I start, there is just one thing I want to say to be a precedent for my grow

I have seen lots of great bud in my day, and my taste has become elite, so now I am striving to grow the best herb possible. I have a friend who grows and he doesn't even PH his water!!! He says he doesnt have the time, or that it doesn't need all the pampering and over analyzing that these "high tech stoners" are getting into.
This was the catalyst that brought me to my grow. His bud was not bad, and neither are Honda's, they are easy, cheap, and most of all, they work. If he wants to grow Honda weed, more power to him, he's probably growing to sell, and it really wasn't bad stuff... But I am growing for my own personal head stash, and I want my bud to be LAMBORGINI!! I am willing to put in the extra time and effort that some may see as tedious or unnecessary, but to me it isn't, I will get joy simply from the sake of tending to my garden...I know this is my 1st grow, so I don't want to get over ambitious about my expectations, But my ultimate mission is this quest to produce not quantity, but the highest quality herb possible.
I am sick of getting decent bud from people but still finding myself too picky and wishing it were better, it is time to manifest my desires and grow that shit myself! I want to have my own perpetual grow with amazing strains, not all the commercial crap that people grow for yield. when the day comes that I get a rare cut of some elite genetics, I want to make sure I don't ruin it. I want to confidently grow out a 16 week sativa with a low yield, but will only do so when I can grow it to lamborgini status, do ya feel me!?
Because of this, I need the input and advice of all you great green thumbs here on RUI, so please feel free to throw out some input or advice or anything you'd like, its all good in my hood. Wow that got long, but it felt like an important part of the grow for you to know where I'm coming from on this. No short cuts, no half ass, trying to get the best damn bud I can possibly achieve, and doin it passionately. So here we go peeps!!!!
Finally bro.....I am taking a seat and putting on a seat belt for this ride....Sub'd bro!!!! I really want to see that "Stinky" I had smoke some serious Grapefruit and it was oh so good.

BKB
 

bekindbud

Well-Known Member
So after I burnt the plants with the spray, I took alot of the damaged leaves off...they looked like they were chokingly tight at the base of each leaf, and I just decided out with the old, in with the new. However, aside from the burns on the inner parts of the leaves, alot of other leaves started looking really bad at the same time. I didn't remove them because it just seemed like it could be a good diagnostic tool to watch the leaves. I wanted to pull them off but I also didnt want to leave the plants too bare. So a day or 2 later, I mix up my 2nd batch of nutrients for the plants. The first feeding was at 1/2 strength, a few days before, this was a normal strength dosage.(btw, I have a calendar now, so from here on out, I will have more precise dates and scheduled feedings and whatnot. Also I will work on making labels to easily identify which plant is which) I was worried that I could have burned the plants by going full strength too fast on the nutes...but since alot of the leaves looked bad anyway, I couldn't tell if the nutes were an issue or not. My new growth on top looks good, so I figured it was ok, but now i am getting concerned. My new growth is still good, but the bad leaves look much worse, and it feels like something more than damage from that Safer 3n1 spray. I am about to take off all the bad lookin leaves, but wanted to take pics and post them 1st so you all can see them. If you notice, the lemon skunk (pics 1,3,6,7,8,10) has different symptoms than the stinky (pics 2,4,9,11). Lemon has yellowing leaves but the veins remain green, leaves eventually browning in between the veins. The stinky just has yellowing and browning from the tips into the leaves (if that makes sense)
Ok you might want to also start a thread in the Marijuana Plant Problems. I had a problem when the tips of my leaves were getting crispy...I ended up having a Nute Lockout and had to flush my plant and start with 25% dosage. You will definately find help there but I will also have some of my RIU friends take a look here as well.

I am also including a link that is really good and helped me understand the different plant problems: http://www.onlinepot.org/grow/PHfluctuationsornutrients3.htm

What kind of water are you using and what are your soil's pH?

Hope the link helps now or if you ever need it....

BKB
 

eyezla

Active Member
BKB, you da man, thanks for the help, I like the link, its definitely gettin bookmarked. I will start a thread in plant problems tomorrow as well. I really want a ph pen, for now I just have the regular kind like for fish tanks, with the solution that you add to a sample of the water with a color coded chart to compare. My water is just tap water that I leave out for a few days in a big deeprock 10 gal bucket, and I use that to water. Thinking about getting a reverse osmosis filter...I want it for me really, and the plants would benefit as well, lol. But I am in colorado, and our tap water seems really nice compared to alot of places so I'm assuming that it isn't a huge issue. Also, since I'm thinkin about it, the plants are in 3qt containers for now. Quick question... Should I still ph the plain water when I'm not using nutes?
 

bekindbud

Well-Known Member
BKB, you da man, thanks for the help, I like the link, its definitely gettin bookmarked. I will start a thread in plant problems tomorrow as well. I really want a ph pen, for now I just have the regular kind like for fish tanks, with the solution that you add to a sample of the water with a color coded chart to compare. My water is just tap water that I leave out for a few days in a big deeprock 10 gal bucket, and I use that to water. Thinking about getting a reverse osmosis filter...I want it for me really, and the plants would benefit as well, lol. But I am in colorado, and our tap water seems really nice compared to alot of places so I'm assuming that it isn't a huge issue. Also, since I'm thinkin about it, the plants are in 3qt containers for now. Quick question... Should I still ph the plain water when I'm not using nutes?
We have good water in Cali too but I still have a filter on my faucet. I might overkill checking the pH because I had a lockout but I test the water prior to using, the mix after nutes, the soil and I also test the run-off when watering or feeding to see whats going on inside my soil. What your using is fine the test strips. I have a cheap digital one. I really do want the all in one digital combo tester just cant find one I like at the price I want. I also would pluck all the yellowing leaves off yet, unless you tug them just a little and they fall, if not leave them. I was a little confused about your feedings, have you intro nutes to your plants? Also what is your soil mix? Is it just the Roots Organic Potting Soil?
 

eyezla

Active Member
Ha, well, I sorta jumped the gun and ripped off all the yellows b4 I saw your reply. Some came off easy, but some were totally dead, yet still have very strong stems and i needed scissors. welp, live and learn, thats why I'm here. So to clarify the feeding, they got plain h20 the 1st few days, then 1/2 strength nutes, then full strength, then plain h2o, yesterday they got their 3rd feeding, which was also full strength. The soil I'm using is just the plain ole roots organic soil, plus some perlite mixed in. I do admit that today the plants look much better without those shitty leaves all over, haha. Lets see if any others turn over the next day or 2. Here is where their at now....I think some of the top growth on the Lemon ( closeup pics 1 and 3) looks a little interesting, maybe too hot, I raised the light a few inches today too
 

Attachments

Illumination

New Member
Ha, well, I sorta jumped the gun and ripped off all the yellows b4 I saw your reply. Some came off easy, but some were totally dead, yet still have very strong stems and i needed scissors. welp, live and learn, thats why I'm here. So to clarify the feeding, they got plain h20 the 1st few days, then 1/2 strength nutes, then full strength, then plain h2o, yesterday they got their 3rd feeding, which was also full strength. The soil I'm using is just the plain ole roots organic soil, plus some perlite mixed in. I do admit that today the plants look much better without those shitty leaves all over, haha. Lets see if any others turn over the next day or 2. Here is where their at now....I think some of the top growth on the Lemon ( closeup pics 1 and 3) looks a little interesting, maybe too hot, I raised the light a few inches today too
Came over take a look at your grow per request of BKB

It was the safer that burned them....that and the light but it was because of the light combined with the Safer...I did the same thing and burned my LSD seedling but it recovered well

Your earlier pics showed some symptoms of overwatering...let the soil dry well til the pots feel light or actually weigh them (what I do) as this is the surest method

Here are the meters I use...best prices I ever found for this...a ph meter can be had cheaper than this but I wanted accuracy and durability so chose this one

http://www.eseasongear.com/miphwaphte1.html

http://www.eseasongear.com/hmdiapaqwaqu.html

Ph your feed water AFTER you add nutrients-6.5 ph

If I can be of help lease don't hesitate to ask, will do what I can...if I don't know I will try to help you find or figure it out

Welcome and Keep'em Green:mrgreen:

Namaste':leaf:
 

bekindbud

Well-Known Member
Came over take a look at your grow per request of BKB

It was the safer that burned them....that and the light but it was because of the light combined with the Safer...I did the same thing and burned my LSD seedling but it recovered well

Your earlier pics showed some symptoms of overwatering...let the soil dry well til the pots feel light or actually weigh them (what I do) as this is the surest method

Here are the meters I use...best prices I ever found for this...a ph meter can be had cheaper than this but I wanted accuracy and durability so chose this one

http://www.eseasongear.com/miphwaphte1.html

http://www.eseasongear.com/hmdiapaqwaqu.html

Ph your feed water AFTER you add nutrients-6.5 ph

If I can be of help lease don't hesitate to ask, will do what I can...if I don't know I will try to help you find or figure it out

Welcome and Keep'em Green:mrgreen:

Namaste':leaf:
ILL,

Your the man bro! Thanks for coming and checking Eyez thread. Good looking out bro! +REP ILL!!!!

BKB
 

bekindbud

Well-Known Member
Ha, well, I sorta jumped the gun and ripped off all the yellows b4 I saw your reply. Some came off easy, but some were totally dead, yet still have very strong stems and i needed scissors. welp, live and learn, thats why I'm here. So to clarify the feeding, they got plain h20 the 1st few days, then 1/2 strength nutes, then full strength, then plain h2o, yesterday they got their 3rd feeding, which was also full strength. The soil I'm using is just the plain ole roots organic soil, plus some perlite mixed in. I do admit that today the plants look much better without those shitty leaves all over, haha. Lets see if any others turn over the next day or 2. Here is where their at now....I think some of the top growth on the Lemon ( closeup pics 1 and 3) looks a little interesting, maybe too hot, I raised the light a few inches today too
They look alot better, what are you plans on these plants? How long you plan on Veg-ing them? Cant wait to see that Stinky bud up!!!! Are you going to clone them? I wish I had cloned MD to get another crack at her to see what she would be if grown healthy and correctly but its a live and learn. Hahaha thats what being a nOOb is all about. I am and prolly will be a nOOb for at least another grow. I do appreciate the good peeps of RIU that help me and pass the knowledge so that one day I can do the same for some other nOOb that needs the same help.
 

Illumination

New Member
Pay it forward...pssst.... I feel I am a noob...but I have experience knowledge and ideas that I try to share

I do everything from seed ....I like variance

Namaste':leaf:
 

eyezla

Active Member
Illumination- Whats up man!!!? Welcome to my grow, thanks for joining in. I like you policy on seeds, probably more vigor in seed growth over clones anyway. I like clones for now just because I am building up my skills, and I don't want my quality to be affected by a potentially bad seed, I like knowing the pheontype of a strain I've seen grown well, mainly just to compare my results to see how close I am to achieving full potential. Once I have skills, I have access to some choice seeds waiting to go, Planning on running MK Ultra and Sage & Sour from T.H. Seeds :). But For now, clones feel more practical, they help take some guess work out of the equation.

So I already see a little more leave issues on the lemon skunk, looks like early stages of something. I am gonna just take some initiative and flush those suckers tomo when they need a watering. So A question I have for you, is should I PH my flush water too? I am assuming so, but figured I'd ask.

Also, awesome links for those affordable meter pens. What do you use the TDS/PPM meter for? I do realize they help determine nutrient levels, but I measure that in ml with a graduated syringe. I am always down to get more precise, but I dunno how to exactly to use it. For example, Lets say I'm supposed to have 8ml / gal of the Rhyzotonic (among other additives), which I measure with the syringe, how does that translate into using the TDS pen?

Thanks for the help, much apprec!
 

eyezla

Active Member
They look alot better, what are you plans on these plants? How long you plan on Veg-ing them? Cant wait to see that Stinky bud up!!!! Are you going to clone them? I wish I had cloned MD to get another crack at her to see what she would be if grown healthy and correctly but its a live and learn. Hahaha thats what being a nOOb is all about. I am and prolly will be a nOOb for at least another grow. I do appreciate the good peeps of RIU that help me and pass the knowledge so that one day I can do the same for some other nOOb that needs the same help.
Ya bro, I really wanna learn to clone too, I want to with these guys but haven't gotten on that yet. My plan always was to learn to clone tho. I want to get some super good pheno, and keep it forever, so I HAVE to learn how to do that. I think I will veg for like another month or so. I want them to grow to waist high levels if possible before I flip them into flower. Think thats too big? think thats even possible to get that big in a month?

Eyez
 

eyezla

Active Member
I haven't put pictures up yet, but I have another room with florescent lights for veg while I'm flowering in my tent. In that room I have 4 "Fruity Chronic Juice's", kinda lame name, but supposedly dank stuff. I will post a pic, but those are not really in my spotlight right now. HOWEVER, i have fungus gnats in there big time, way annoying!! Anyone have any good tips on dealin with those little F'ers
 

bekindbud

Well-Known Member
Illumination- Whats up man!!!? Welcome to my grow, thanks for joining in. I like you policy on seeds, probably more vigor in seed growth over clones anyway. I like clones for now just because I am building up my skills, and I don't want my quality to be affected by a potentially bad seed, I like knowing the pheontype of a strain I've seen grown well, mainly just to compare my results to see how close I am to achieving full potential. Once I have skills, I have access to some choice seeds waiting to go, Planning on running MK Ultra and Sage & Sour from T.H. Seeds :). But For now, clones feel more practical, they help take some guess work out of the equation.

So I already see a little more leave issues on the lemon skunk, looks like early stages of something. I am gonna just take some initiative and flush those suckers tomo when they need a watering. So A question I have for you, is should I PH my flush water too? I am assuming so, but figured I'd ask.

Also, awesome links for those affordable meter pens. What do you use the TDS/PPM meter for? I do realize they help determine nutrient levels, but I measure that in ml with a graduated syringe. I am always down to get more precise, but I dunno how to exactly to use it. For example, Lets say I'm supposed to have 8ml / gal of the Rhyzotonic (among other additives), which I measure with the syringe, how does that translate into using the TDS pen?

Thanks for the help, much apprec!
Ok I can tell you this about the FLUSHING....I am becoming quite the expert at it. Thats because I completely screwed my plants up and flushed numerous times. You will need to do 3 times the amount your container is in. Example 1 gallon container will require 3 gallons of water. you have to pH two gallons of the three gallons to 5.8pH. Yes acidy, that will put your plant into "HYPERDRIVE" On your last gallon mix in your Nutes pH around 6.5pH, *Go back to what ever your last feeding was cut it down to 25% or try again with 50%*. Maybe you might have some build up inside your soil. Your plants will droop, no big deal just do it about one hour into the lights being on and maintain your temp around 76-78F. They will be Perky and it gives you a clean slate and whatever Nutes you want to start over with.

Please ILL let me know if that is correct? I hope so, well thats what I been doing. Hope it helped. I am sure Ill will confirm or correct me,LOL If you take a look at my last pics in my journal of Day 30 you will see I just did that to Pat and Baby Lou. Thats them drooping and then Tomorrow they should be perky again.

BKB
 
Top