Libya: No Fly Zone is a Go! International Effort and No Troops on the Ground

[The Ruiner]

I suggest that if people are left unhappy with the "official" motives for the campaign in Libya that they do some research and understand that nothing is as it seems...its really do or die at this point, people. Have some faith, stop the bickering. Educate yourself...Wake up to REALITY...

You have all been sheltered for far too long...

We need to stand unified, stronger than any moment in history. This is truly the test of American perseverance.

 

[Ernst]

I suggest that if people are left unhappy with the "official" motives for the campaign in Libya that they do some research and understand that nothing is as it seems...its really do or die at this point, people. Have some faith, stop the bickering. Educate yourself...Wake up to REALITY...

You have all been sheltered for far too long...

We need to stand unified, stronger than any moment in history. This is truly the test of American perseverance.

It is an odd feeling for sure.

Here we have a supposed Democrat and he does a Bush style political move.
Even the Republicans mostly bitched that they were not in on it because it opens new investment frontiers.
Only Congressman Dennis Kucinich was openly protesting on true Constitutional grounds.

I'm like many.. Good for the people of Libya! But who are they and who is running this "revolution."

 

[Carthoris]

It is an odd feeling for sure.

Here we have a supposed Democrat and he does a Bush style political move.
Even the Republicans mostly bitched that they were not in on it because it opens new investment frontiers.
Only Congressman Dennis Kucinich was openly protesting on true Constitutional grounds.

I'm like many.. Good for the people of Libya! But who are they and who is running this "revolution."

What is Ron Paul protesting on then?

 

[NoDrama]

Ron Paul is old, old people can't even drive, let alone have thoughts. Ask londonfog, he knows.

 

[Ernst]

What is Ron Paul protesting on then?

Did I miss that? Do post a link..

 

[Carthoris]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R325K6alVlA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-qm9U3X3EU&feature=related

Ron Paul never supports any of the crazy shit any of the presidents do. Republican or Democrat. He doesn't support attacking foreign countries without declaring war. How can you blow someones shit up using bombs and not be at war? Ron Paul is one of the few people who is honest and who always votes his convictions. He doesn't give up his views when it is convenient.

Whether its Libya, Iraq, Kosovo, or the next place we blow up. Whether its a R or a D besides the name of the person blowing shit up. Ron Paul will vote what he thinks is right and makes sense .

 

[NoDrama]

If Ron Paul had been voted as President , by this time our troops would be coming back home instead of in body bags, Gitmo would have been closed and plans to close a whole bunch of other bases would be in progress too. The economy would probably actually be REALLY getting better by now, for the majority of citizens and not just the rich and well connected or high powered. Businesses who moved overseas might actually think about coming back to the USA where we have good Quality on par with the Germans and Japanese. I hate buying new Chinese junk every year, shit breaks when you least can afford it and that shit is clogging up our landfills. the Patriot act would be gone and the stupid rape scan machines in the airports would be gone along with a majority of the TSA. The poor and lazy former welfare parasites would probably not be enjoying things though. Which make up a larger chunk of the General population than you would think. The Fed would be dissolved or somehow made powerless and we would probably have a much better system of commerce that did not rely so heavily on deep pockets and gave the average man a great deal more value out of his money than before and value that stood the test of time.

Alas we have this, the same exact thing for damn near 30 years. Wars, killing, prohibition, lies, more lies, coverups and lapses of morality abound. Nothing has changed in damn near a generation on the political front.

 

[Carthoris]

lol, I see you masturbate to thoughts of Ron Paul also.

 

[Ernst]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R325K6alVlA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-qm9U3X3EU&feature=related

Ron Paul never supports any of the crazy shit any of the presidents do. Republican or Democrat. He doesn't support attacking foreign countries without declaring war. How can you blow someones shit up using bombs and not be at war? Ron Paul is one of the few people who is honest and who always votes his convictions. He doesn't give up his views when it is convenient.

Whether its Libya, Iraq, Kosovo, or the next place we blow up. Whether its a R or a D besides the name of the person blowing shit up. Ron Paul will vote what he thinks is right and makes sense .

I watched the links just now. Thanks.. I see the question is just how much American Interests can we afford when we all ready don't know what to do with what we have now.

I'm sure this could turn on us in 25 years.

Ron Paul has a point.

 

[Carthoris]

I watched the links just now. Thanks.. I see the question is just how much American Interests can we afford when we all ready don't know what to do with what we have now.

I'm sure this could turn on us in 25 years.

Ron Paul has a point.

Ron Paul is usually honest and really believes in doing what is right for our country. Hey, did anyone ever figure out what we are doing in Libya yet? lol

 

[Ernst]

If I understand things a cease fire is possible but there is an effort to have open selection of the next Government.

One of Gadaffi's sons has been negotiating for a democratic style government where he is in charge.

I am sure Gadaffi is on the out!

But who are the Libyan people and what do they want?

 

[Carthoris]

If I understand things a cease fir is possible but there is an effort to have open selection of the next Government.

One of Gadaffi's sons has been negotiating for a democratic style government where he is in charge.

I am sure Gadaffi is on the out!

But who are the Libyan people and what do they want?

Is Gadaffi's son a much better option? I mean, it is his son.

 

[Ernst]

Is Gadaffi's son a much better option? I mean, it is his son.

I have no idea. I assume I was as aware of much of the Middle East as the next average citizen and now I know more about Libya then I ever did before.

I don't know what the sides are and I can't tell where I stand on what happens there at this time.
However I'm hopeful the whole area becomes a place I could visit and live to tell about it.

 

[Mr Neutron]

I can't believe a bunch of potheads are so hawkish on war, especially the immoral, if not illegal, use of military in invading a sovereign nation that poses no threat to us. If european countries wanted to start this to avoid being flooded with refugees, then let THEM invade. There is NO reason for the US to be involved. In fact, we have more than enough history in such things that should tell us to stay the hell away from it.
Pres. Dwight Eisenhower warned us to beware of the military-industrial complex (his original speech said the military-industrial-congressional complex). Now look where we are. We borrow money to defend the world and who is getting rich from it? Defense contractors, for sure, but the the ones who are really cleaning up in all of this is the banking cartel. The Federal Reserve hands out our dollars by the ton, which immediately lessens the value of each dollar you have. They rob from us through taxation, inflation and interest.
"Taxation with representation isn't so hot, either." Barzan

 

[Carthoris]

I can't believe a bunch of potheads are so hawkish on war, especially the immoral, if not illegal, use of military in invading a sovereign nation that poses no threat to us. If european countries wanted to start this to avoid being flooded with refugees, then let THEM invade. There is NO reason for the US to be involved. In fact, we have more than enough history in such things that should tell us to stay the hell away from it.
Pres. Dwight Eisenhower warned us to beware of the military-industrial complex (his original speech said the military-industrial-congressional complex). Now look where we are. We borrow money to defend the world and who is getting rich from it? Defense contractors, for sure, but the the ones who are really cleaning up in all of this is the banking cartel. The Federal Reserve hands out our dollars by the ton, which immediately lessens the value of each dollar you have. They rob from us through taxation, inflation and interest.
"Taxation with representation isn't so hot, either." Barzan

They only support the wars when the democrats are starting them.

 

[Mr Neutron]

They only support the wars when the democrats are starting them.

I think you're right. I mean where is all the outrage we saw when we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?

 

[Carthoris]

I think you're right. I mean where is all the outrage we saw when we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan?

I am outraged by all of them, I really don't understand people who always follow their party lines.

Maybe we could turn this into a positive. Privatize the war by making it a theme park "You can now bomb your own village full of women and children for just 10,000!" "Want to see 50 cal bullets rip into people? Be a gunner on a helicopter for just 500 a day!"

 

[Ernst]

I can't believe a bunch of potheads are so hawkish on war, especially the immoral, if not illegal, use of military in invading a sovereign nation that poses no threat to us. If European countries wanted to start this to avoid being flooded with refugees, then let THEM invade. There is NO reason for the US to be involved. In fact, we have more than enough history in such things that should tell us to stay the hell away from it.
Pres. Dwight Eisenhower warned us to beware of the military-industrial complex (his original speech said the military-industrial-congressional complex). Now look where we are. We borrow money to defend the world and who is getting rich from it? Defence contractors, for sure, but the the ones who are really cleaning up in all of this is the banking cartel. The Federal Reserve hands out our dollars by the ton, which immediately lessens the value of each dollar you have. They rob from us through taxation, inflation and interest.
"Taxation with representation isn't so hot, either." Barzan

I want a world where I can vacation from Cannabis Cafe to Cannabis Cafe on a World wide train vacation.

Perhaps you are right. How can we now support such things? Simple we are filtering out the message we want; the message we need to find some connection to what is really going on.

Capitalism is the root problem. A World Wide Cap on Private wealth will solve the need for War. Only when prosperity for all is the better market will we grow as a Species.

But then that makes me even worse of a Liberal now doesn't it.

It's the Court of public opinion but here at Rollitup we are really close to current on the goings on so keep it coming.. Don't Stop Believing.


[video=youtube;2NQIPVqLMUg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NQIPVqLMUg[/video]

 

[doc111]

I want a world where I can vacation from Cannabis Cafe to Cannabis Cafe on a World wide train vacation.

Perhaps you are right. How can we now support such things? Simple we are filtering out the message we want; the message we need to find some connection to what is really going on.

Capitalism is the root problem. A World Wide Cap on Private wealth will solve the need for War. Only when prosperity for all is the better market will we grow as a Species.

But then that makes me even worse of a Liberal now doesn't it.

It's the Court of public opinion but here at Rollitup we are really close to current on the goings on so keep it coming.. Don't Stop Believing.


[video=youtube;2NQIPVqLMUg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NQIPVqLMUg[/video]

I'm sorry, but a worldwide cap on wealth will NOT solve the problem. The problem will simply shift. Before capitalism it was religion. Perhaps it will be over resources in the future. I can't say. Respectfully, this is pie in the sky my friend. It's a slippery slope. Who gets to decide what is too much? What exceptions will there be? What happens to someone who is caught with "too much"? This goes against everything this country stands for. What are we becoming? This kind of talk frightens me, quite frankly. The wealthy will NEVER give up their riches. Humans will always horde things, including wealth. You cannot legislate human nature and putting "caps" on things like wealth is preposterous IMO.

 

[Ernst]

I'm sorry, but a worldwide cap on wealth will NOT solve the problem. The problem will simply shift. Before capitalism it was religion. Perhaps it will be over resources in the future. I can't say. Respectfully, this is pie in the sky my friend. It's a slippery slope. Who gets to decide what is too much? What exceptions will there be? What happens to someone who is caught with "too much"? This goes against everything this country stands for. What are we becoming? This kind of talk frightens me, quite frankly. The wealthy will NEVER give up their riches. Humans will always horde things, including wealth. You cannot legislate human nature and putting "caps" on things like wealth is preposterous IMO.

At least we see how easy it is to go to war.. Even in our own country.

So what is the peace plan?