Let's Debate

[olylifter420]

when have i said that? i too am not that ignorant to think God will show you where your keys are, but i am not naive enough either to think all of this came from nothing just cause some dude with a big head in a wheelchair said so...

Religion aside , I belive in god. I know all this is not out of chance and I dont give Man kind this much credit to have gotten this far.. But I know that when Man kind tries to take that relationship with God leterally like they can speak to him, and he will help you find your keys.. and that hes watching over you and not this other group of ppl.. Trust me, the cosmos is too big for 1 Race, religion of ppl to know it all or even UNDERSTAND the bigger picture.. so Believing in god is one thing, Using a religion as PROOF your god exists & theirs does not just sounds weak minded does it not. ? Religion gives its own reasons to be hated. Wars, crusades, honor killing, arranged marriages... Humans stopped thinking for themselves and started thinking how others prefer.

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

Are you serious? It is a matter of geographical and personal up bringing... I believe in God because nothing can come out of nothing... In my mind that does not fit... stephen hawkins said it himself, "in the beginning there was nothing and this nothing came into itself and exploded, creating what is now the universe" in his computer voice...


If nothing can come from nothing, then just by looking at a point on the wall, you can create a mural of yourself or a painting of a woman, or whatever you want because this nothing will create anything. it created the universe, why cant this space of nothing on your wall create something out of it?

God put all these great things for us to see and discover... He provided us with this earth and with the ability to evolve and adapt to our ever changing planet in order for us to continue to survive and further our knowledge about the things He created for us...

Im old enough to understand that some stories in the bible are far fetched, but what i do realize and i think you do not, is that these stories are meant to instill moral and ethical and logical reasonings and character.. Also, i believe they are meant to guide us and they act as a support when you are in times of torment. IT works for me, why cant it work for you?

so because you dont know what was here if anything before the universe you are happy to believe a god created everything with no evidence at all to back it up , you might aswell believe in the bogey man .
and if you go with the notion of nothing can come from nothing where did your god come from ?

 

[RawBudzski]

I see, but still. can we agree Religion is not the same as believing in god.. No 1 should talk down on you for believing in God. But when people decide "God, is the reason I should fast today" "Because of God im going to ensure my kid memorizes the bible or koran" "My God does not condone of interracial couples" "God will smite non believers" all that BS is RELIGION, not a relationship with God. its a Wanna be relationship... Religion gives ppl the idea their bonding with their god in a personal way. which leads them to make decisions, act upon that.. Thats where religion goes wrong, when it justifies actions people should not be doing.

when have i said that? i too am not that ignorant to think God will show you where your keys are, but i am not naive enough either to think all of this came from nothing just cause some dude with a big head in a wheelchair said so...

 

[ThE sAtIvA hIgH]

anyway ill have to get back to you lot tomorow im busy now .......laters .

 

[RawBudzski]

And its kinda tricky but hes Right, who made GOD? or was he the onlything outside of that mass and one day decided to pop it and thus THE BIG BANG.. maybe he got bored of everything (literally) at the tip of his finger and decided to spread it out. anywho, on a serious note.. I think its SAFE TO SAY their have been more MURDERS, KILLINGS, WARS, HUMAN DEMISE at the hand of religion than anything else.. UP UNTIL RELIGION WAS CREATED, SINCE THEN IT HAS BEEN the #1 cause of loss of human life on this planet.

so because you dont know what was here if anything before the universe you are happy to believe a god created everything with no evidence at all to back it up , you might aswell believe in the bogey man .
and if you go with the notion of nothing can come from nothing where did your god come from ?

 

[karri0n]

I see, but still. can we agree Religion is not the same as believing in god.. No 1 should talk down on you for believing in God. But when people decide "God, is the reason I should fast today" "Because of God im going to ensure my kid memorizes the bible or koran" "My God does not condone of interracial couples" "God will smite non believers" all that BS is RELIGION, not a relationship with God. its a Wanna be relationship... Religion gives ppl the idea their bonding with their god in a personal way. which leads them to make decisions, act upon that.. Thats where religion goes wrong, when it justifies actions people should not be doing.

That's not necessarily true. A religion is, in its most basic form, a way by which someone lives their life that is unwavering and uncompromisable. Some are more structured than others, some are taught and some are just slowly assembled by the person, some entail belief in a deity while others do not. Something like the code of Chivalry could be your religion. What you are describing here sounds more like fundamentalism.

Fundamentalism is the belief that your way is not only better than all others, but the only acceptable way.

The "relationship with god" that you alluded to is spirituality.

Religion - a way of life, a set of morals, ethics, or guidelines

Spirituality - a relationship with the divine

Fundamentalism - an unwavering and usually dangerous belief that your way is the only acceptable way.

 

[olylifter420]

thats it, i didnt say nothing comes from nothing, your great scientist stephen hawkins said it... what is it with trying to put words into my mouth? Saying things i never said, and if you do please provide a quote where i said it...

and like i said, i choose to believe in what i want to believe in, why do you choose to believe in science if science is always changing and discredited just like religion is?

so because you dont know what was here if anything before the universe you are happy to believe a god created everything with no evidence at all to back it up , you might aswell believe in the bogey man .
and if you go with the notion of nothing can come from nothing where did your god come from ?

 

[RawBudzski]

No what im describing is Religion. not the watered down things you bring up.. but in the manner we speak.. GOD, christian religion. If far from what you describe. The PPL killing others over religion are a little more serious than you describe..

That's not necessarily true. A religion is, in its most basic form, a way by which someone lives their life that is unwavering and uncompromisable. Some are more structured than others, some are taught and some are just slowly assembled by the person, some entail belief in a deity while others do not. Something like the code of Chivalry could be your religion. What you are describing here sounds more like fundamentalism.

 

[RawBudzski]

Because as you just admitted, what you believe in was pulled from thin air and assembled in your head. Trust me, Science may change every day of the week but it would still be healthier working out the problems than Making them up in your head as you go.

thats it, i didnt say nothing comes from nothing, your great scientist stephen hawkins said it... what is it with trying to put words into my mouth? Saying things i never said, and if you do please provide a quote where i said it...

and like i said, i choose to believe in what i want to believe in, why do you choose to believe in science if science is always changing and discredited just like religion is?

 

[olylifter420]

I do agree with what you said, that religion is not the same thing as believing in God..

I see, but still. can we agree Religion is not the same as believing in god.. No 1 should talk down on you for believing in God. But when people decide "God, is the reason I should fast today" "Because of God im going to ensure my kid memorizes the bible or koran" "My God does not condone of interracial couples" "God will smite non believers" all that BS is RELIGION, not a relationship with God. its a Wanna be relationship... Religion gives ppl the idea their bonding with their god in a personal way. which leads them to make decisions, act upon that.. Thats where religion goes wrong, when it justifies actions people should not be doing.

 

[RawBudzski]

Common ground ! Yes I was raised christian, I can respect its ideas and such.. but at the same time I would feel silly to go out to another man and tell him, my God is the one.. and his needs to change a little.

Now that you mention it, i dont go to any church for the fact that they are thieves, robbing people blind of their money just cause the church needs it... what a crock of shit! I believe in the Christian God because i was raised Christian, but if i would have been raised muslim, well i would believe in the god of the koran...

I do agree with what you said, that religion is not the same thing as believing in God..

 

[karri0n]

SINCE THEN IT HAS BEEN the #1 cause of loss of human life on this planet.

Disease, hunger, and non-religious war dwarf this number by many, many orders of magnitude.

 

[karri0n]

No what im describing is Religion. not the watered down things you bring up.. but in the manner we speak.. GOD, christian religion. If far from what you describe. The PPL killing others over religion are a little more serious than you describe..

You're talking about fundamentalism, not religion.

 

[RawBudzski]

as you said, you dont goto church cause they take money. True. even if their hearts and minds are in the right place at that particular church and donated EVERY CENT..its still sad to see thats where "religion" has gone.

 

[RawBudzski]

No your giving me the technical definition and idea of religion. your right but your not on the same page as what we speak of.. When we say religion we mean Established religions that have hardcore beliefs and tendencies. Yes their are tons of others who are religious in their own way, But RELIGION as a whole, all the Front Runners.. Have alot more Issues than you seem to give credit. Do you not agree that Religions have done if not as much evil as they have done good? not talking on a personal person to person basis. I know it may work for some, I know some know how to handle it. Im talking about the pastor on your tv screen asking for donations. Thats religion

You're talking about fundamentalism, not religion.

 

[olylifter420]

if i remember properly, hitler was not a religious type, some even go as far to say that he was an atheist, which i truly believe he was... what other thing can make you gain so much hatred for another person and religion that you decide to take over a country(germany) and use its military power to kill more then 6 million jews millions of other non jewish people... oh and the red army, i highly doubt that they were driven by God, they were driven by a dictator who cared nothing for human life and killed over 15 million people themselves... stalin was not a religious type either, SO IT IS SAFE TO SAY that he was atheist as well...


so, to counter you statement, i believe there has been more deaths at the hands of atheists then at the hands of religious people.

And its kinda tricky but hes Right, who made GOD? or was he the onlything outside of that mass and one day decided to pop it and thus THE BIG BANG.. maybe he got bored of everything (literally) at the tip of his finger and decided to spread it out. anywho, on a serious note.. I think its SAFE TO SAY their have been more MURDERS, KILLINGS, WARS, HUMAN DEMISE at the hand of religion than anything else.. UP UNTIL RELIGION WAS CREATED, SINCE THEN IT HAS BEEN the #1 cause of loss of human life on this planet.

 

[olylifter420]

that is not religion you speak of, that is a highly legal mafia

No your giving me the technical definition and idea of religion. your right but your not on the same page as what we speak of.. When we say religion we mean Established religions that have hardcore beliefs and tendencies. Yes their are tons of others who are religious in their own way, But RELIGION as a whole, all the Front Runners.. Have alot more Issues than you seem to give credit. Do you not agree that Religions have done if not as much evil as they have done good? not talking on a personal person to person basis. I know it may work for some, I know some know how to handle it. Im talking about the pastor on your tv screen asking for donations. Thats religion

 

[RawBudzski]

may not be to you.. but the Idea is to get OTHER RELIGIOUS FALLOWERS, to donate. Regardless if their Efficient in their religion or belief, its premise is/was to get large sums of people thinking similar.

and im going back to its origins, from the beginning. Religion was alot more hardcore 100 years ago than the politically correct world we live in today. It was a control mechanism as much as a link to a god.

 

[olylifter420]

yes, con artists have found a perfect way to scam people out of millions of dollars a year, claiming that God needs it... what a bunch of assholes, but God has a special place for those douchebags...

as you said, you dont goto church cause they take money. True. even if their hearts and minds are in the right place at that particular church and donated EVERY CENT..its still sad to see thats where "religion" has gone.

 

[RawBudzski]

what im saying is their is no Difference, only your opinion on what they are. Some call the christian church a religion, others say its more of a business for profit.

that is not religion you speak of, that is a highly legal mafia