Libya No Talk?

[newworldicon]

Maybe because he's not gonna win political points for DOING the right things and staying out of it for once.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/113980/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Job-Approval.aspx

I'm tired of Obama trying to take credit for every good things that ever happens in this country like he's the messiah or something.

I thought he was born on Cripton?

 

[hazyintentions]

I thought he was born on Cripton?

You sure? I was thinking Omecron Persei 8..

 

[dukeanthony]

With all due respect to everyone who has posted in this thread, only time will tell what the NTC has in store for the Libyan people but I would bet money on it being no different except for new faces in power abusing their position whilst the masses are still living in 3rd world environs.

Of course it's about oil and gold and money frozen in various western countries, lets see if all that money goes back to the Libyan people. I doubt it!

This is a power play by the AngloAmerican contingent to muscle out China who has invested massively in Africa over the last 15 years to take advantage of their mineral wealth as a whole, I don't blame African countries who would rather do business with China over the US or UK, these guys pay 30cents on the dollar because they give them aid which in essense should be free as it comes out of yours and my pocket yet these governments pocket the money themselves for all that black budget crap. At least China pays a dollar straight up, no bullshit applied.

And China doesn't impose their political positions on the world unlike some, no naming names.....

The China part is unfortunatly pretty much true.

 

[newworldicon]

The China part is unfortunatly pretty much true.

Why is it unfortunate, I understand that Americans would want to protect their position as the world's super power but the rest of us don't, we all want a shot at the top and now that you are weak others will exploit that and good for them, what's good for the goose is good for the gander...

 

[newworldicon]

You sure? I was thinking Omecron Persei 8..

Pretty sure superman comes from cripton sic.

 

[NoDrama]

I do not subject myself to the rants of uneducated people who only seek fame and fortune and will say anything and everything to acquire them regardless of the truth or ramifications for their words.

You must not watch Television then.

 

[NoDrama]

From here: http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/

Here are the human right reports for some countries.

Here is LIBYA....

Continuing problems included reported disappearances, torture, arbitrary arrest and imprisonment, lengthy pretrial and sometimes incommunicado detention, official impunity, and poor prison conditions. Denial of fair public trial by an independent judiciary, detention and imprisonment of persons on political grounds, and the lack of judicial recourse for alleged human rights violations were also serious problems. The government significantly restricted media freedom and continued to restrict freedom of speech (including Internet and academic freedom). It continued to severely impede the freedom of assembly, freedom of association, and civil liberties. The government did not protect the rights of migrants, asylum seekers, and refugees, and in some cases participated in their abuse. Other problems included restrictions on freedom of religion; corruption and lack of transparency; discrimination against women, ethnic minorities, and foreign workers; trafficking in persons; and restriction of labor rights

See any "Unlawful Killings"?? I don't.

Ok got all that? now here is Mexico

The following problems were reported during the year by the country's National Human Rights Commission (CNDH) and other sources: unlawful killings by security forces; kidnappings; physical abuse; poor and overcrowded prison conditions; arbitrary arrests and detention; corruption, inefficiency, and lack of transparency that engendered impunity within the judicial system; confessions coerced through torture; violence and threats against journalists leading to self-censorship. Societal problems were domestic violence, including killings of women; trafficking in persons; social and economic discrimination against some members of the indigenous population; and child labor.

Honestly now, Which one sounds worse? Unlawful killings or Significantly restricted media freedom?


How about Sri Lanka??? its a doozy!

The government and its agents continued to be responsible for serious human rights problems. Security forces committed arbitrary and unlawful killings, although the number of extrajudicial killings declined. Disappearances continued to be a problem, although the total also declined. Many independent observers cited a continued climate of fear among minority populations, in large part based on past incidents. Security forces tortured and abused detainees; poor prison conditions remained a problem; and authorities arbitrarily arrested and detained citizens. Repercussions of the nearly 30-year war against the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) continued to have an effect on human rights, despite the defeat of the LTTE in May 2009. In an effort to prevent any violent separatist resurgence, the government continued to search for and detain persons it suspected of being LTTE sympathizers or operatives. Official impunity was a problem; there were no public indications or reports that civilian or military courts convicted any military or police members for human rights abuses. The government established a post-war Lessons Learnt and Reconciliation Commission (LLRC). Denial of fair public trial remained a problem; the judiciary was subject to executive influence; and the government infringed on citizens' privacy rights. There were instances when the government restricted freedom of speech and of the press, and there were incidents of restrictions on freedom of assembly and association. Authorities harassed journalists critical of the government. Infringement on freedom of movement was lower than in the previous year, and citizens were able to travel almost anywhere in the island; in practice police and military checkpoints were still a frequent sight in Colombo and elsewhere, and numerous High Security Zones (HSZs) and other areas remained off limits to citizens. Election law violations and government influence created doubts about the fairness of both the presidential and the parliamentary elections. Official corruption, with impunity, and lack of transparency were serious problems, and the government hampered the work of nongovernmental organizations (NGOs). With the passage of the 18th amendment in September, the mechanism by which the seats on the Constitutional Council and its subsidiary councils are filled was changed. The president now holds the authority to name all members to each of these councils, with only the requirement to "seek advice," but not approval, of the parliament. Violence and discrimination against women were problems, as were abuse of children and trafficking in persons. Discrimination against persons with disabilities, persons with HIV/AIDS, and the ethnic Tamil minority continued, and a disproportionate number of victims of human rights violations were Tamils. Discrimination and violence against persons based on their sexual orientation were problems. Trafficking in persons, limits on workers' rights, and child labor remained problems, although the parliament implemented new regulations on child labor at the end of the year.

Holy shit, are you guys sure we are bombing the right country?


How about Sudan, Now here is a real treat of a country to live in....

The following human rights abuses occurred: abridgement of citizens' right to change their government; extrajudicial and other unlawful killings by government forces and other government-aligned groups throughout the country; torture, beatings, rape, and other cruel, inhumane treatment or punishment by security forces; harsh prison conditions; arbitrary arrest and detention, incommunicado detention of suspected government opponents, and prolonged pretrial detention; executive interference with the judiciary and denial of due process; obstruction of the delivery of humanitarian assistance and the expulsion of individuals working for humanitarian nongovernmental organizations (NGOs); restrictions on privacy; restrictions on freedom of speech; restrictions on the press, including direct censorship; restrictions on freedoms of assembly, association, religion, and movement; harassment of internally displaced persons; harassment and closure of human rights organizations; violence and discrimination against women, including female genital mutilation; child abuse, including sexual violence and recruitment of child soldiers; prevention of international human rights observers from traveling to and within the country; trafficking in persons; discrimination and violence against ethnic minorities; denial of workers' rights; and forced and child labor.
Conflict and human rights abuses in Darfur continued. An estimated 1.9 million civilians have been internally displaced, and approximately 270,000 refugees have fled to neighboring Chad since the conflict in Darfur began in 2003. According to UN estimates, 268,000 persons were displaced between January and November in Darfur. The UN estimated in 2006 that 200,000 persons had died as a result of the conflict and that by 2008 an additional 100,000 may have died. Civilians in Darfur continued to suffer from the consequences of genocide.
The government continued to bomb and burn civilian areas. Government forces and government-aligned militia continued to kill civilians, rape women and girls, and use child soldiers. Darfur rebel factions, bandits, and unidentified assailants also killed and abducted civilians, humanitarian workers, and personnel of the UN-African Union (AU) Hybrid Mission in Darfur (UNAMID); beat and raped civilians; and used child soldiers. Interethnic violence was a severe problem and resulted in civilian deaths and displacement.
In Southern Sudan (the South) interethnic fighting and Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) attacks continued to kill and displace civilians. According to UN estimates, violence in the South resulted in an estimated 986 deaths and the displacement of 223,708 persons during the year. Attacks by local militias occurred after the April elections. Registration for the 2011 Southern Sudan self-determination referendum occurred from November 15 through December 8 in all 25 states. Lack of progress on preparations for a separate referendum on whether the border region of Abyei should be part of the North or the South led to sporadic violence and rising tensions in the area.

HELLLLOOOOO!!! Bombs here please? We will kill 'em into being good.


You don't even wanna know about N Korea, but here is the link to it..http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2010/eap/154388.htm

 

[beardo]

dude thousands protested their asses off and physically assulted government troops until they were fired on and killed. they fought their government with their bare hands, said fuck work and money, i want freedom. u dont see that unity here in the states. yet there FAGGOTS that ride this theme in the US and act like blogging and holding a picket sign is total anarchy. if your not gonna get physical than go home

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[UncleBuck]

i was wrong. gaddafi is toppled WITHOUT american boots on the ground.

if anyone recalls, i predicted there would be boots on the ground when pressed by the righties.

i was wrong, but in a good way

 

[UncleBuck]

Please refresh my memory.

When did I mention Beck?

The trend seems to be to ignore stories unflattering to the Progressive agenda/Obama until they can no longer be ignored. Sometimes it works, sometimes not.

If you would like an example, I can provide one. And I don't know who broke it. But the ObamaMedia does not seem so exited about it.

Google Operation Fast and Furious and you will see SOME coverage.

Imagine the blowback if Operation Fast and Furious had occurred under Bush's watch.

It would be BIG NEWS.

Abu Graib BIG.

BTW, I found it on the internet, too.

i saw that on the rachel maddow show.

so much for the libs trying to sweep that one under the rug.

 

[beardo]

i was wrong. gaddafi is toppled WITHOUT american boots on the ground.

if anyone recalls, i predicted there would be boots on the ground when pressed by the righties.

i was wrong, but in a good way

Except for the American boots on the ground....

 

[sync0s]

Yes I am and I don't have spell check.
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I guess you didn't know I was dyslexic

What browser are you using? The most up to date firefox doesn't correct anything but it tells you if its wrong.

No I didn't and I didn't mean it offensively. I kind of figured.

 

[UncleBuck]

Except for the American boots on the ground....

you are not a good liar.

there were no american boots on the ground.

 

[beardo]

you are not a good liar.

there were no american boots on the ground.

Paramilitary operatives from the CIA's Special Activities Division (SAD) operatives are reported to be active in Libya. Reports say that SAD operatives have been gathering intel, aiding rebel forces and may have assisted in the rescue of 2 USAF crewmen after their F-15E Strike Eagle fighter/bomber crashed in eastern Libya last week.
http://news.americanspecialops.com/
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t789735/

 

[tip top toker]

Last i recall it was also documented that UK forces, sorry, advisors, no wait, SAS, were on the ground It would not surprise me in any way at all to learn that the US had similar counterparts doing the same kind of thing. Heck, one of the first things we did in this war was send over special diplomats to, well, we could argue what they were doing but most likely offering an incentive and a set of demands should they offer up near a billion pounds of our tax money for planes and helicopters and bombs.

 

[UncleBuck]

Paramilitary operatives from the CIA's Special Activities Division (SAD) operatives are reported to be active in Libya. Reports say that SAD operatives have been gathering intel, aiding rebel forces and may have assisted in the rescue of 2 USAF crewmen after their F-15E Strike Eagle fighter/bomber crashed in eastern Libya last week.
http://news.americanspecialops.com/
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t789735/

that's not exactly what the american people have in mind when we picture 'boots on the ground', but i'll concede victory to you.

a few special ops were there, but what i had in mind was americans on the front lines.

i find it awesome that one of the sources you quoted was a white supremacist group. i am not discrediting the source, just interesting that you are perusing white supremacist websites.

 

[tip top toker]

that's not exactly what the american people have in mind when we picture 'boots on the ground', but i'll concede victory to you.

a few special ops were there, but what i had in mind was americans on the front lines.

i find it awesome that one of the sources you quoted was a white supremacist group. i am not discrediting the source, just interesting that you are perusing white supremacist websites.

One could argue that this is a programmed feeling. If it's just special forces then it's not military invasion, there's no troops on the ground, just a bunch of dudes. Take Pakistan and the Osama mission, if it were a regiment of grunts, there would be uproar, but when it's just a handful of spec ops, it's not really an issue, it's not really an invasion, regardless how effective they are. Personally boots on the ground is boots on the ground.

 

[UncleBuck]

Personally boots on the ground is boots on the ground.

i'll have to disagree.

sending a bunch of kids with guns to the front lines is much different than sending the best trained forces on the planet to conduct intelligence out of the line of fire.

those special ops were probably wearing loafers and button down shirts for fuck sake.

 

[deprave]

sounds like a good excuse to drop bombs on people<sarcasim>, I didn't read about it yet because I am disgusted with the topic. We don't even know what happened over there, 60 tons of bombs I herd someone say just today?

You guys really still buy the "Spreading Democracy" garbage? Our founding fathers would be outraged, they even somewhat predicted this.

 

[UncleBuck]

We don't even know what happened over there...

libyans toppled gaddafi. fyi.

i thought you liked the whole freedom thing. you even have a website about it.