The Truth About Ron Paul - Part 2

[NoDrama]

Fee simple owners ( Absolute or defeasible) are subject to property tax and its funds directed to the municipality's general fund.

only true Alloidial Title (Nevada only) can get you out of being a tenant.

 

[WillyBagseed]

no, but some of us have bought and sold multiple properties. Willy seems better educated than I am on this subject. But, He still doesn't understand that the VAST majority of people who own real estate are really only tenants and really do not OWN said property but are allowed to live there as long as they pay taxes.

I do understand. I understand most of this is not taught to our kids and many people get raped just because they have no idea what is going on. The majority of these laws are hidden bullshit and contrary to what you may think of me I do agree with 80-90% of Libertarian ideas. However, the one large idea I severely disagree with is deregulation.


Yes on the taxes, and as a member of a community that wishes to see everybody doing well I do not mind paying taxes. I do mind how they are spent on wasteful items tho.

BTW, my tax rate is 3.5% on all sales and less than 1% on property.An unincorporated County is the only place to live.

 

[dukeanthony]

That isn't proof of ANYTHING!! You have NOTHING! Please reference the document that says all Refineries smell the place up and cause your tap water to be flammable.

Fracking seems to start tap water on fire.
Now as to refinierys smelling up the place

name a refinery just one and I will get you complaints about it from the neighbors

I challenge you

 

[WillyBagseed]

If paying taxes means you consider me a tenant so be it but it is nowhere on my ownership paperwork. I know my taxes do not go towards just this but I pay taxes to use public roads around my property, to send my kids to public school etc. I do not expect to use items maintained by others for free.

***Ok, I am done you are starting to make me think to hard........ time to medicate

Nice back and forth tho Mr. NoDrama

 

[NoDrama]

I do understand. I understand most of this is not taught to our kids and many people get raped just because they have no idea what is going on. The majority of these laws are hidden bullshit

Couldn't agree more, I gave you a rep bomb today because I actually learned something. Thanks!!

BTW you got another bubble of rep.

 

[NoDrama]

If paying taxes means you consider me a tenant so be it but it is nowhere on my ownership paperwork. I know my taxes do not go towards just this but I pay taxes to use public roads around my property, to send my kids to public school etc. I do not expect to use items maintained by others for free.

***Ok, I am done you are starting to make me think to hard........ time to medicate

Nice back and forth tho Mr. NoDrama

Absolutley a great discussion. Needs its own thread. People need to be educated, imagine if every person had allodial title? What kind of power would the Government have then?

 

[beardo]

I think we need more mines more iron works and steel mills more drilling and refineries we need more coal plants and we need factories to produce things and we need a balanced budget.

 

[NoDrama]

Fracking seems to start tap water on fire.
Now as to refinierys smelling up the place

name a refinery just one and I will get you complaints about it from the neighbors

I challenge you

The burden of proof is not on me. I am not the one who stated that Refineries stink the place up and make tap water flammable.

Fracking causes tap water to catch fire? Umm no, natural gas injected into the water table does that. You will notice that the people complaining are on rural water sources, its a problem no doubt. Perhaps the owners should use the gas to fire a small generator and sell the power back to the Utility to cover the cost of getting a lawyer and suing the fuck out of the company that is responsible for the gas leaking in the first place? Nothing like a nice cease and desist order while the case goes through the system for the next 3-5 years to make a company attempt to settle things a bit.

 

[sync0s]

Regardless of whether or not oil refineries pollute the libertarian way would have them paying all the property owners around the refinery damages. The result of this would motivate the owners of the refineries to find ways to not pollute the surrounding area.

 

[dukeanthony]

Regardless of whether or not oil refineries pollute the libertarian way would have them paying all the property owners around the refinery damages. The result of this would motivate the owners of the refineries to find ways to not pollute the surrounding area.

First the owners of adjacent properties have to PROVE that they are harmed. That takes years. And Corporations have Millions to hire attorneys

How much cash does adjacent property owners have to pursue legal remedies?

 

[dukeanthony]

The burden of proof is not on me. I am not the one who stated that Refineries stink the place up and make tap water flammable.

Fracking causes tap water to catch fire? Umm no, natural gas injected into the water table does that. You will notice that the people complaining are on rural water sources, its a problem no doubt. Perhaps the owners should use the gas to fire a small generator and sell the power back to the Utility to cover the cost of getting a lawyer and suing the fuck out of the company that is responsible for the gas leaking in the first place? Nothing like a nice cease and desist order while the case goes through the system for the next 3-5 years to make a company attempt to settle things a bit.

WTF you are impossible to reason with.

 

[beardo]

we should be fracking Iraq-seroiusly weren't they supposed to reimburse us for the costs of liberating them? why aren't we taking their oil to pay down our debt?

 

[sync0s]

First the owners of adjacent properties have to PROVE that they are harmed. That takes years. And Corporations have Millions to hire attorneys

How much cash does adjacent property owners have to pursue legal remedies?

First there is a simple rule for corporations when it comes to lawsuits. They will always settle if the cost of settling is less than the cost of fighting it. Look at how many stupid lawsuits Mcdonalds has settled outside of court that they could have very easily won if they fought it. To simply spend millions on an impressive team of lawyers for moral victory in business would not be wise.

Don't give me that can't afford it argument. I'm pursuing law, there is such a thing as contingency, and many lawyers are more than happy to do it.

How would it take years to gather the proof? You can test your property and water and for chemicals that come from oil refineries. Enough said.

 

[dukeanthony]

we should be fracking Iraq-seroiusly weren't they supposed to reimburse us for the costs of liberating them? why aren't we taking their oil to pay down our debt?

NO that never came from the Bush administration. That came from one of Karl Roves operatives as a reason (not a good one) to Invade Iraq.

You cannot invade a country under false pretenses of Democracy and have an Overt imperialistic goal

WMDs Democracy and Freedom were the Given reasons
Regional control was the actual goal

 

[dukeanthony]

First there is a simple rule for corporations when it comes to lawsuits. They will always settle if the cost of settling is less than the cost of fighting it. Look at how many stupid lawsuits Mcdonalds has settled outside of court that they could have very easily won if they fought it. To simply spend millions on an impressive team of lawyers for moral victory in business would not be wise.

Don't give me that can't afford it argument. I'm pursuing law, there is such a thing as contingency, and many lawyers are more than happy to do it.

How would it take years to gather the proof? You can test your property and water and for chemicals that come from oil refineries. Enough said.

How can you prove the chemicals actually came from the Frackers and werent present before they started fracking?
Want examples.
Tobacco and Cancer.
Asbestos
Black Lung disease

Need any more

 

[sync0s]

NO that never came from the Bush administration. That came from one of Karl Roves operatives as a reason (not a good one) to Invade Iraq.

You cannot invade a country under false pretenses of Democracy and have an Overt imperialistic goal

WMDs Democracy and Freedom were the Given reasons
Regional control was the actual goal

The actual goal was KBM

 

[sync0s]

How can you prove the chemicals actually came from the Frackers and werent present before they started fracking?
Want examples.
Tobacco and Cancer.
Asbestos
Black Lung disease

Need any more

You are talking about disease. I am talking about property damage. If you find oil or oil byproducts in your water or land you can easily prove its the refinery down the road.

Take one of these http://www.lamotte.com/pages/edu/air.html and record measurements in a circle around the refinery. You can find and prove the epicenter with that data.

 

[dukeanthony]

You are talking about disease. I am talking about property damage. If you find oil or oil byproducts in your water or land you can easily prove its the refinery down the road.

Take one of these http://www.lamotte.com/pages/edu/air.html and record measurements in a circle around the refinery. You can find and prove the epicenter with that data.

Again the Burden of Proof is on YOU to prove that their Operations caused damage to your property.
You cannot say "hey look, My tap water is Flammable" Becuase they will turn around and say. "yep but your tap water has always been flammable since before we started operations here"

 

[sync0s]

Again the Burden of Proof is on YOU to prove that their Operations caused damage to your property.
You cannot say "hey look, My tap water is Flammable" Becuase they will turn around and say. "yep but your tap water has always been flammable since before we started operations here"

Come on man I'm not going to go into all of the ways you can find and prove that they are doing it. If one has the will it is absolutely do able.

 

[beardo]

Ron Paul knows the constitution.