Pro Grow LED Run #1, Super Cali Haze, Onyx, Blackbriar, and Blue Diesel
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hoss12781
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I used world wide marijuana seeds, its the first result that pops up when you google "single seed centre". It was weird though it wouldn't let me use my debit card and actually triggered a security shut down on my checking account so I had to call my bank and get them to turn it back on. Wound up using my credit card and it went through. I'll let you know when they get here. It says guaranteed delivery so here's hoping.
Picked up 2 fem Auto Jack, 2 fem Super Sativa, 2 fem Pineapple Express (Barney's Farm), 1 Fem La Bella Afrodita, 1 Auto Black Jack, and 2 free mystery fem seeds which I really hope will be autos, otherwise my friends that grow photos will get a nice present.
Was going to order more but really wanted to do a tester on this seedbank as I was ordering exclusively from dope seeds until they stopped shipping state side. If they come through with a good germination percentage I will look to go crazy picking up a shit load of interesting auto strains.
I've got four up now, 3 of which could be dudes - not really worth taking pictures since they're little sprouts. Will be adding Bush Dr. Microbe brew tomorrow as it is perfectly save and effective to use from the get go. Also didn't know if I've mentioned this before but in case anyone is curious I'm only using filtered water on my plants seed to harvest. I keep a Pure Water filter jug in my basement and replace the filter after every harvest. I'll update when all are approximately one week old with some pictures next Friday.
Picked up 2 fem Auto Jack, 2 fem Super Sativa, 2 fem Pineapple Express (Barney's Farm), 1 Fem La Bella Afrodita, 1 Auto Black Jack, and 2 free mystery fem seeds which I really hope will be autos, otherwise my friends that grow photos will get a nice present.
Was going to order more but really wanted to do a tester on this seedbank as I was ordering exclusively from dope seeds until they stopped shipping state side. If they come through with a good germination percentage I will look to go crazy picking up a shit load of interesting auto strains.
I've got four up now, 3 of which could be dudes - not really worth taking pictures since they're little sprouts. Will be adding Bush Dr. Microbe brew tomorrow as it is perfectly save and effective to use from the get go. Also didn't know if I've mentioned this before but in case anyone is curious I'm only using filtered water on my plants seed to harvest. I keep a Pure Water filter jug in my basement and replace the filter after every harvest. I'll update when all are approximately one week old with some pictures next Friday.
senorfrisk
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Dude, thanks for the LED journal... I have been pondering long about LEDs. There is soooo much conflicting info out there. I have been researching LEDs and I think I am gonna go with the PG180. It seems to be the perfect fit for my small area. Haven't grown in awhile, but I am anxious to get back to it. Starting from scratch and starting small. I am waiting on some beans from Attitude to arrive any day now. They should spur me on to finally buy the darn light... Thanks again!
orchiid.wild
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Mr Hoss!
Read the whole journal and subbed as well
Thanks for the insight.
I wish ProGrow from HydroHut (or whatever the name is of the LED light you've taking a liking to is) was more transparent on the exact type of LED's they're using.
I've been reading journals about building your own LED board and I think I will head that route when I build my first panel a month or two from now.
The one guy a few pages back posted a link to a British site and as you mentioned they state very obviously what kind of LEDs they're using.
I will start with Fluorescent lighting because it's simple and will give my seedlings a head start (all photoperiod plants) and in the midst of that build my LED panel. I havent decided if I'm going to mix veg and flowing all into the same light or build separate lights for both. I'll buy some rabbits and make compost tea from their crap and feed the plants almost exclusively that unless I can find guano as well in the part of the world I'll be in.
My main initial goal will be to make feminized seeds using home made colloidal silver. If I've made enough seeds and still have time I'll try to start some plants to grow for bud or even have some growing along side for budding purpose. A lot of scheming going　on in my head right now but I'm really excited for the next few months.
Thanks again for all your input and like I said I'll be following along.
Read the whole journal and subbed as well
Thanks for the insight.
I wish ProGrow from HydroHut (or whatever the name is of the LED light you've taking a liking to is) was more transparent on the exact type of LED's they're using.
I've been reading journals about building your own LED board and I think I will head that route when I build my first panel a month or two from now.
The one guy a few pages back posted a link to a British site and as you mentioned they state very obviously what kind of LEDs they're using.
I will start with Fluorescent lighting because it's simple and will give my seedlings a head start (all photoperiod plants) and in the midst of that build my LED panel. I havent decided if I'm going to mix veg and flowing all into the same light or build separate lights for both. I'll buy some rabbits and make compost tea from their crap and feed the plants almost exclusively that unless I can find guano as well in the part of the world I'll be in.
My main initial goal will be to make feminized seeds using home made colloidal silver. If I've made enough seeds and still have time I'll try to start some plants to grow for bud or even have some growing along side for budding purpose. A lot of scheming going　on in my head right now but I'm really excited for the next few months.
Thanks again for all your input and like I said I'll be following along.
hoss12781
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LoudPac - As of now the shipment has been "sent oversees". They sent a tracking number and its being sent via Royal Mail (UK). I'll def let you know when they arrive.
Orchid - I don't really understand what you're wanting in terms of transparency, the site lists the diode type, all CREE, the number of bands 14 including UV and IR on the latest models, and the total power draw and chipset capacity (true power draw 155w on the PG 180, chipset capacity is 180w), and the total lumens produced. If you're looking for exact nm specs I've found a lot of the higher end companies such as GLH, Stealth, Hydro Hut and others will not list the nm spectrums used as a lot of R&D goes into finding the proper blend of spectrum to maximize growth. This is especially true when you get into models like the GLH Spectra that uses 12 different bands and the new Pro-Grows using 14 bands. I'd say if you have any questions about the brand you're considering call the company. I can't speak for all of them but Mike at GLH and Ben at Hydro Hut were more than willing to answer all of the questions I brought forward.
Also I've made a decision to flip all my UFO units. Selling my 100w Spectra, 90w 2w diode quad band, and 90w 1w diode dual band to my sister for a more than fair price and intend to pick up one of the new PG 180s. The ones I have right now are all 7 band 130w power draw early 2011 models, the new one is way beefier. What can I say I'm a slave to new technology and have fallen for the PGs. I really dig the switchable spectrum and wanna have the whole closet able to flip from veg to full to flower at my discretion. This will mean I'm out of side lighting for the time being.
Anyone that's read this journal knows I'm a big fan of side lighting but am also a fan of experimenting. We'll see how this works out, I know the PGs will do me justice but if I feel the need to pick up some side lighting after this run I may experiment with Plasma lighting or whatever else tickles my fancy after all is said, done, and weighed out after this current run. Babies growing nicely I'll have some pictures this weekend as they are all roughly 1 week old as of tomorrow.
Orchid - I don't really understand what you're wanting in terms of transparency, the site lists the diode type, all CREE, the number of bands 14 including UV and IR on the latest models, and the total power draw and chipset capacity (true power draw 155w on the PG 180, chipset capacity is 180w), and the total lumens produced. If you're looking for exact nm specs I've found a lot of the higher end companies such as GLH, Stealth, Hydro Hut and others will not list the nm spectrums used as a lot of R&D goes into finding the proper blend of spectrum to maximize growth. This is especially true when you get into models like the GLH Spectra that uses 12 different bands and the new Pro-Grows using 14 bands. I'd say if you have any questions about the brand you're considering call the company. I can't speak for all of them but Mike at GLH and Ben at Hydro Hut were more than willing to answer all of the questions I brought forward.
Also I've made a decision to flip all my UFO units. Selling my 100w Spectra, 90w 2w diode quad band, and 90w 1w diode dual band to my sister for a more than fair price and intend to pick up one of the new PG 180s. The ones I have right now are all 7 band 130w power draw early 2011 models, the new one is way beefier. What can I say I'm a slave to new technology and have fallen for the PGs. I really dig the switchable spectrum and wanna have the whole closet able to flip from veg to full to flower at my discretion. This will mean I'm out of side lighting for the time being.
Anyone that's read this journal knows I'm a big fan of side lighting but am also a fan of experimenting. We'll see how this works out, I know the PGs will do me justice but if I feel the need to pick up some side lighting after this run I may experiment with Plasma lighting or whatever else tickles my fancy after all is said, done, and weighed out after this current run. Babies growing nicely I'll have some pictures this weekend as they are all roughly 1 week old as of tomorrow.
PrezDickie
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Hoss, quality journal, honest feedback about strains and lights. I'm a big fan. Subscribed and hope you don't mind if i pick your brain in future for questions about my grow. I'm just starting out will be my first grow. will be led with cfl side and under lighting for now, I've got my lights (180watt Blackstar (got long before i read your journal but should work for my needs) and a bloombooster all red led spot light, my soil, (fox farm ocean forest and local shop organic mix with some perlite) 5 gal smart pots, my nutes fox farms grow big and tiger bloom, and i'm finishing final touches to my grow cabinet think i can only do two at once in there i've got Easy Ryder (auto mix of ak47 x low rider #2) and i've got an auto white russian from g13 i got as a freebie from attitude. I've got a bunch of photo period too but thought i'd get my feet wet with the auto's and test my odor control on those. i've got a foothills carbon canister fan i got off ebay and i'm getting some Ona gel too. My only question for now is, is a wire rack under the smart pots needed? i noticed you used one? is that just for ventilation or to check for water leakage? i was lil concerned about that with smart pots... I'm worried about height in my cabinet but i should be good for the autos. also are the smart pots able to be reused after a grow? and do you ph test your water? thanks in advance,
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hoss12781
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Prez - yes you can recycle smart pots. Just dump everything out and run them under some hot water lightly scrubbing the cloth to knock out any pieces of root that are still intact from the last grow. I do PH test my water and soil using this http://www.amazon.com/Digital-Way-Soil-Light-Tester/dp/B0034P1PWK. It's pretty good, the light meter only measures six different setting but the PH meter was all I was really after. I really like the smart pots, and I keep them on the wire rack for two reasons - to make it visibly obvious when I've watered down to the drainage point, and to let everything airate better as I have a box fan running on medium hitting both sides of the closet to improve air circulation. Smart pots will leak, so you'll want to put in a measure to control for this.
As far as odor controll goes I do use ona gel but haven't bought a carbon filter. My grow room is just the closet of a spare bedroom we don't use in our basement so no one really ever goes too close to the room and for the two-thee weeks it really does stink during auto flowering the Ona plus taping some dryer sheets to the inside of the air return vent and putting a cinnamon candle on a candle heater in the bedroom completely masks the smell.
What are the dimensions of your cab? If you're worried about height for reference the biggest auto I've had was a tad over 3 feet tall and she was a freaky pheno. Most stay shorter and if you want to keep them extra short you could switch to smaller pots which inhibits root growth, keeps the plants shorter, but will also detract from maximum yield. Happy to help man, us Bible Belt growers need to stick together!
Edit - nevermind I checked the link in your sig - get those damn shelves out of there and you'll be good to go.
As far as odor controll goes I do use ona gel but haven't bought a carbon filter. My grow room is just the closet of a spare bedroom we don't use in our basement so no one really ever goes too close to the room and for the two-thee weeks it really does stink during auto flowering the Ona plus taping some dryer sheets to the inside of the air return vent and putting a cinnamon candle on a candle heater in the bedroom completely masks the smell.
What are the dimensions of your cab? If you're worried about height for reference the biggest auto I've had was a tad over 3 feet tall and she was a freaky pheno. Most stay shorter and if you want to keep them extra short you could switch to smaller pots which inhibits root growth, keeps the plants shorter, but will also detract from maximum yield. Happy to help man, us Bible Belt growers need to stick together!
Edit - nevermind I checked the link in your sig - get those damn shelves out of there and you'll be good to go.
hoss12781
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New batch babies. Not very exciting but if you're going to journal you should do it start to finish. They're all about a week old with the oldest, and hurray for me, the largest of the four being the only feminized seed. Glad she's looking like a champ already. The other 3 are grab bag short stuff freebies that will be grown until they show sex - males will be replaced with the fem seeds once they (hopefully) arrive safe and sound.
They won't be mysteries for long, I've grown all the strains I've planted before and should be able to tell within the next two weeks who is who. I just mixed all my reggie seeds together and put them away in case I ever ran out of fems. The fem is either a sweet caramel, or MI-5.
My sister picked up my 3 ufos yesterday so right now the fem is under the PG 250, 1 mystery seed under a 180, and the two others sharing my other 180 until my new 180 arrives, which from the UPS tracking information should be here by Oct 10th.
For reference you could easily grow two autos under 1 PG 180 - I'm just a big fan of overkill when it comes to my garden, if you read the first page you'll see I used to grow four autos under 800w of hid and at any given time at least 300w of CFL side lighting.
They won't be mysteries for long, I've grown all the strains I've planted before and should be able to tell within the next two weeks who is who. I just mixed all my reggie seeds together and put them away in case I ever ran out of fems. The fem is either a sweet caramel, or MI-5.
My sister picked up my 3 ufos yesterday so right now the fem is under the PG 250, 1 mystery seed under a 180, and the two others sharing my other 180 until my new 180 arrives, which from the UPS tracking information should be here by Oct 10th.
For reference you could easily grow two autos under 1 PG 180 - I'm just a big fan of overkill when it comes to my garden, if you read the first page you'll see I used to grow four autos under 800w of hid and at any given time at least 300w of CFL side lighting.
dannyboy602
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what's up hoss? i grew a g13 PE and liked it. Is Barneys much dif?
PrezDickie
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Hoss, Thanks for checking my stuff out, i'll post pics soon of where my cab is now, i'm just finishing up light/sound insulating the doors and i need to connect the duct to my filter fan. and btw we must operate on a mutual wave length cuz i've the same ph/light monitor as you?!
i noticed you use peat pucks to get your seeds started i've got some of those and the lil "green house" (plastic dome) that goes with em. i was going to put a heat mat under the container to help give me a good germ rate, do you use one? or do you know the best temp to keep them at while they are trying to sprout?
i noticed you use peat pucks to get your seeds started i've got some of those and the lil "green house" (plastic dome) that goes with em. i was going to put a heat mat under the container to help give me a good germ rate, do you use one? or do you know the best temp to keep them at while they are trying to sprout?
hoss12781
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I would rec using a heat mat as it helps keep humidity up inside the dome. It will increase your germination rate for sure. I got mine at Home Depot, it came with the peat pots and dome, not really sure what temp it keeps the bottom of the dome but it's not that hot, couldn't be more than plus 3-4 degrees over ambient temp in the room.
Also made hash last week. Haven't really mentioned that in this journal yet cause it takes me on average about 4 harvests of four plants (sometimes more) just to have enough shake to make it worth my while. I use the original bubble bags, which I bought after buying shitty ones on ebay first. Long story short - hash is awesome and super stealthy.
My wife and I wrangled a sitter and went to a show last night. Security can be dicey at this venue, knowing this we each too two cigs, removed some of the tobacco added a healthy amount of 25 microgram full melt bubble hash, put more tobacco back on top of it (packed in with the blunt end of a pen) and put the smokes back in the pack.
Super easy way to take hash anywhere (except an airplane). Just thought I'd share. We also took a token amount of mushrooms. Not something I do on the regular at all but when you've had them sitting in your stash box for over a year, you have a sitter and tickets to a show you wanna see .....
Didn't really trip that hard probably ate a gram or so each, just enough to feel a little funky. Good times.
Also made hash last week. Haven't really mentioned that in this journal yet cause it takes me on average about 4 harvests of four plants (sometimes more) just to have enough shake to make it worth my while. I use the original bubble bags, which I bought after buying shitty ones on ebay first. Long story short - hash is awesome and super stealthy.
My wife and I wrangled a sitter and went to a show last night. Security can be dicey at this venue, knowing this we each too two cigs, removed some of the tobacco added a healthy amount of 25 microgram full melt bubble hash, put more tobacco back on top of it (packed in with the blunt end of a pen) and put the smokes back in the pack.
Super easy way to take hash anywhere (except an airplane). Just thought I'd share. We also took a token amount of mushrooms. Not something I do on the regular at all but when you've had them sitting in your stash box for over a year, you have a sitter and tickets to a show you wanna see .....
Didn't really trip that hard probably ate a gram or so each, just enough to feel a little funky. Good times.
BlazedMonkey
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Nice sir 
I dig the funguys
Love the cig style, i had a friend on probation put JWH concentrate in his and smoke em on break at work
I dig the funguys Love the cig style, i had a friend on probation put JWH concentrate in his and smoke em on break at work
hoss12781
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Seeds arrived safe and sound. Obviously haven't germinated any yet but they were shipped in a safe case and all appear to be healthy. The two freebies were fem pakistani ryders. Got ten total, had planned on ordering more but wanted to check this bank out before I dropped a couple hundred on seeds. If they germ for me its on. Who knows how much longer we'll be able to order seeds into the states? Might as well stock up on some interesting strains while the time is right. Barring any germination issues http://www.worldwide-marijuana-seeds.com/ is now legit in my book. New PG 180 is scheduled to arrive by the end of the business day.
Gonna let the 3 reggie short stuff seeds do their thing as they're almost two weeks old. As soon as they show any sex males will be replaced with pineapple express or super automatic sativa fems.
Gonna let the 3 reggie short stuff seeds do their thing as they're almost two weeks old. As soon as they show any sex males will be replaced with pineapple express or super automatic sativa fems.
hoss12781
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New toys all around today. My new 180 arrived. It is very, very different than the first 2011 model. I snapped a couple picks to illustrate the difference. The one with a shitload of red diodes is the 2010 PG250, the one that is very violet heavy is the new 180, the one with a lot of light blue and high kelvin white is the older 180.
The diodes that look burnt out aren't - they're the IR and UV.
Switching gears, the way I trim my autos to increase cola productivity explained in the pictures of my Sweet Caramel plant. It is almost impossible to employ the tuck method when the plants are smaller and have a far shorter veg period compared to photos. For reference, I wouldn't rec doing this with a photo. I'll make sure to take pics as the cola hidden under the giant fan leaf becomes far more pronounced that it would have been hiding under the fan leaf.
This practice grew, like almost everything in my garden came about from
trial and error. Before you knock it give it a whirl with some autos, my average yield went up trimming like this. I'll trim off one more set of fan leaves once the colas under the leaf in question are sprouting their own leaves.
Comments and suggestions welcome, if you disagree with this method - cool, please let me know what you would do instead.
The diodes that look burnt out aren't - they're the IR and UV.
Switching gears, the way I trim my autos to increase cola productivity explained in the pictures of my Sweet Caramel plant. It is almost impossible to employ the tuck method when the plants are smaller and have a far shorter veg period compared to photos. For reference, I wouldn't rec doing this with a photo. I'll make sure to take pics as the cola hidden under the giant fan leaf becomes far more pronounced that it would have been hiding under the fan leaf.
This practice grew, like almost everything in my garden came about from
trial and error. Before you knock it give it a whirl with some autos, my average yield went up trimming like this. I'll trim off one more set of fan leaves once the colas under the leaf in question are sprouting their own leaves. Comments and suggestions welcome, if you disagree with this method - cool, please let me know what you would do instead.
senorfrisk
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Hoss! Major thanks on the PG180 recommendation!!! Hydroponics Hut rocks! It came today and I am totally stoked! I ordered it Saturday night and I got it 3 days later. Suddenly, I realize that I have so much to do! I gotta put up mylar, get nutes, get rockwool, get beans sprouting, clean grow area, hang light...<BREATHE> The list goes on... Please be advised that I may be hitting you up for some knowledge from time to time! Thanks again!
hoss12781
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I'd get some chains from Home Depot or any home supply store. Makes it super easy to move the lights up and down at your leisure. I uses yo yos for a minute but found chains to be easier with the little clips attached to the connectors on the panel.
I should probably get some mylar as well. Although the walls on my closet are painted white mylar would add some benefits.
Always happy to share what has worked and failed in my garden brother!
HiPotency
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im new to this site today and i have to say thanks for all the great information hoss. After searching this thread i found the answer to my curiousity. if LEDs are sufficient for veg and flowering. do you add more for flowering?
im looking at the pro grow 180 here:
http://hydroponicshut.com/pro-grow-180-watt-led-grow-light-hydroponics-hut.html
and possibly a supplemental plasma light for flowering here:
http://www.hydroponicshut.com/50-watt-plasma-induction-grow-lamp-hydroponics-hut.html
just curious if you could share your thoughts about this set-up sustaining 2-3 plants =)
im looking at the pro grow 180 here:
http://hydroponicshut.com/pro-grow-180-watt-led-grow-light-hydroponics-hut.html
and possibly a supplemental plasma light for flowering here:
http://www.hydroponicshut.com/50-watt-plasma-induction-grow-lamp-hydroponics-hut.html
just curious if you could share your thoughts about this set-up sustaining 2-3 plants =)