mg Deficiencey?? how do I treat?

[watchhowIdoit]

They are looking much happier now, good job on the recovery. so many people fuck it up at that point.

I have just been introduced into the wonderful world of molasses, after looking at it and the nutritional information, i understand more on why people use it. just as a additive.

Molasses is is counter productive in most container gardening. The calcium and magnesium it contains never really becomes available to the plant. They just build up in the medium possibly causing problems later in the grow.

 

[maps84]

Calcium is not a mobile element in the plant and current calcium deficiencies most always manifest in the newer growth.

This is totally wrong and contradictory. As it's immobile unlike magnesium, the older grow suffers the consequences not the newer, to be more exact the upper half begging with the big fan leaves. The newer growth suffers from alkaline soils, which isn't his case as he wouldn't have an N def like whitie and I back up.

 

[maps84]

to the OP if you feel you're lacking something I'ma tell you what:
Earth Juice Catalyst

 

[wyteboi]

You have to be blind not to see the rusty spots and the chlorosis on the lower leaves that's a beautiful Ca def...too much Mg, N or K locks Ca not the opposite. How can you be even suggesting that?

i am not suggesting anything , i am telling the op he has plenty of ca an mg in his grow.
So your saying there is no such thing as too much ca ?

yes i see the rusty spots and the chlorosis on the lower fans. you cant always go by these stupid charts that confuse most folks.

now going by all the info he has givin us , the "rust" and the chlorosis on the lower leaves show that the plant is running so low on N it is eatin the N from its older growth to feed the new growth. (this dont come from a chart , this is experience)

Molasses is is counter productive in most container gardening. The calcium and magnesium it contains never really becomes available to the plant. They just build up in the medium possibly causing problems later in the grow.

when a person knows why they are using molasses , it is VERY productive in soil.

we dont need the nutes in the molasses , we use the carbs to feed the soil. (as with anything , if over-used it will cause harm)
soil biology is what saves us from using meters , extra nutes, pesticides and just plain grows the plant for us.

there are times when it can become couter productive just because it feeds the microbes (good an bad). when you have a nasty environment then the bad microbes have took over an when you feed them carbs , they will just multiply just like the beneficials will.
In a "standard" environment there are more beneificial microbes then there are bad ones so giving them carbs will make the good ones totally take over.

VERY, VERY important in the organic world , not so much in the synthetic game.

to the OP if you feel you're lacking something I'ma tell you what:
Earth Juice Catalyst

This is a very good catalyst for the soil. (basically the same as molasses .... it feeds the soil). The EJ has a lot more benefits vs molasses because they use several varieties of carbs.... an some sea kelp i think. All very good for the dirt.

Go ahead and use it WOLF. it will help your soil a lot. it wont magically fix your plants but its always good to show the soil love an it will show that same love to your girls.






soil

 

[wolfman420]

I have another update the El Alquimista is the better looking of the two iI fed them last night7.5ml of grow and 7.5ml of bloom and a tsp of cal mag. they are looking greener but i think there is still some fixing i need to do here is the white russian
im at 23 days flowering and with all things considered the buds look good.!!!! so should i foliar feed the WR with calmag? if so how do I do this? I just wanted to update and see what you guys think if they're looking better or not?

 

[ismokealotofpot]

Don't spray anything on buds its not a good idea the water drops burn under the lights and it causes mold.cal mag plus if your getting spots on the leaves you can give it some more nitrogen one watering wont hurt. I have a WR hybrid and goes real yellow by the end of flower so most of that is normal. One thing you could try next time is keep feeding vedg nutes for the first week or two of flower that way it will stay green longer. Oh yah who ever said epsom salt works is wrong because you need the calcium to absorb mg

 

[skinitti666]

bro if you gave em the cal/mag then youre cool those leaves are still going to finish turning that color because it started already but you should have no worries it done stoped the problem

 

[maps84]

i am not suggesting anything , i am telling the op he has plenty of ca an mg in his grow.
So your saying there is no such thing as too much ca ?

yes i see the rusty spots and the chlorosis on the lower fans. you cant always go by these stupid charts that confuse most folks.

now going by all the info he has givin us , the "rust" and the chlorosis on the lower leaves show that the plant is running so low on N it is eatin the N from its older growth to feed the new growth. (this dont come from a chart , this is experience)

Yea man you were right +Rep

 

[cowboylogic]

Calcium is not a mobile element in the plant and current calcium deficiencies most always manifest in the newer growth.

He is correct.

This is totally wrong and contradictory. As it's immobile unlike magnesium, the older grow suffers the consequences not the newer, to be more exact the upper half begging with the big fan leaves. The newer growth suffers from alkaline soils, which isn't his case as he wouldn't have an N def like whitie and I back up.

You are incorrect.

Calcium Deficiency
Young leaves are affected first and become small and distorted or chlorotic with irregular margins, spotting or necrotic areas. Bud development is inhibited, blossom end rot and internal decay may also occur and root may be under developed or die back. Deficiency will cause root tip die-back, leaf tip curl and marginal necrosis and chlorosis primarily in younger leaves. Symptoms: young leaves develop chlorosis and distortion such as crinkling, dwarfing, developing a strap-like shape, shoots stop growing and thicken.




The plant looks all around hungry...lacking a balanced diet...

 

[cowboylogic]

Calcium Toxicity
Difficult to distinguish visually. May precipitate with sulfur in solution and cause clouding or residue in tank. Excess calcium may produce deficiencies in magnesium and potassium.

This is a real possibility in a few of those plants in the pics. And the fact it has been given so much Calmag yet still show signs of many deficiencies including magnesium and potassium. Seems Wyte is on top of it.......

 

[maps84]

Lol, you're correct, you're incorrect.. I already said I was wrong

 

[wyteboi]

Lol, you're correct, you're incorrect.. I already said I was wrong

only a true grower is willing to pick up on "new" knowledge, an just admit when "their way" aint always the best way.

+rep for that one 84.

I have another update the El Alquimista is the better looking of the two so should i foliar feed the WR with calmag? if so how do I do this? I just wanted to update and see what you guys think if they're looking better or not?

The EL whatever is looking good , she is a pretty good green , but your right , it needs something else...... start by quit overdosing the poor girls with calmag. other then that dont change anything else on her. (maybe a Tbs of the catalyst instead of a tsp)


the other one is nute deficiant all around , specially N. she needs a dose of 15mls of grow an 10mls of bloom, 2 or 3 feedings in a row..... then slowly lower the grow an up the bloom as she gets greener.


you have to stop all the extra ca and mg , it is a complete waste of time an money with the foods an dirt your usin.





soil (ex-wyteboi) .....

 

[wolfman420]

Thanks wyte I haven't given them anymore calmag since the 27th but I did give them 2 tsp of GH FloraNova bloom 4-8-7 i have this for my waterfarm and I figured I would give it a shot. Should I just go back to the grow and bloom? I don't have catalyst just the molasses .. Thanks agin for your help

 

[wyteboi]

Should I just go back to the grow and bloom? I don't have catalyst just the molasses .. Thanks agin for your help

yea that bloom food you gave um wont hurt um , but yes i would stick to the grow an bloom an molasses. (molasses is a catalyst)

a tbs per gal , every third watering should help a lot with the biologicals (molasses).




soil

 

[wyteboi]

the one with the fucked up name is fine , just no more calmag.

the more yellow one ... go by the above recipe....

 

[wolfman420]

Cool thanks for the quick response gonna feed them tonight