Assuming Romney will win the Nomination

[abandonconflict]

"Those thugs are the people within our government seeking to hurt Obama politically..." I am having to bite my tongue here to keep from calling you a complete moron. Oops, I typed it.

The attorney general serves at the the pleasure of the president, i.e. Holder does Obama's bidding. Obama could order the crackdowns ended today, and they would never be another one. This crackdown on MM clinics is solely owned by Obama.

So what would Obama's competitors say if he ordered Holder to end the crackdowns on dispensaries that are NOT IN COMPLIANCE with the law? Or did you think I would let you quote half of what I said and call me a moron with a smile?

 

[desert dude]

So what would Obama's competitors say if he ordered Holder to end the crackdowns on dispensaries that are NOT IN COMPLIANCE with the law?

Have you read the statement issued by the US attorney in Northern California: she said (paraphrasing), "no medical marijuana dispensary is operating within state law because too much money is changing hands". Do you get what she means? Bust all of them, and that is what the DoJ is doing. They are doing it in Colorado as well.

You can go on being an Obama toadie but you can't really dispute the reality that we are living in. Obama lied! It's that simple. I will grant you that his reversal on his promise to leave MM clinics alone was undoubtedly based on a political calculation, he doesn't take a dump without considering whether it will affect his political well-being. He is exactly like Romney, except he exudes a bigger sense of entitlement.

 

[abandonconflict]

Have you read the statement issued by the US attorney in Northern California: she said (paraphrasing), "no medical marijuana dispensary is operating within state law because too much money is changing hands". Do you get what she means? Bust all of them, and that is what the DoJ is doing. They are doing it in Colorado as well.

You can go on being an Obama toadie but you can't really dispute the reality that we are living in. Obama lied! It's that simple. I will grant you that his reversal on his promise to leave MM clinics alone was undoubtedly based on a political calculation, he doesn't take a dump without considering whether it will affect his political well-being. He is exactly like Romney, except he exudes a bigger sense of entitlement.

This is a Neoconservative political victory over Obama. This has been argued repeatedly. Going so far as to say that he is leading a campaign against commercial growers is incorrect. We have both used different ways of arguing this but your last statement seals it. She was clearly overjoyed to be given a legal precedent to undo all of the progress that Obama allowed. I have read her words repeatedly. Did you happen to notice WHEN the dispensaries started opening? I'll give you a hint, it did not happen before Dubya left office.

Stop making me defend Obama, I am getting tired of it but you keep saying shit that ain't so.

 

[desert dude]

This is a Neoconservative political victory over Obama. This has been argued repeatedly. Going so far as to say that he is leading a campaign against commercial growers is incorrect. We have both used different ways of arguing this but your last statement seals it. She was clearly overjoyed to be given a legal precedent to undo all of the progress that Obama allowed. I have read her words repeatedly. Did you happen to notice WHEN the dispensaries started opening? I'll give you a hint, it did not happen before Dubya left office.

Stop making me defend Obama, I am getting tired of it but you keep saying shit that ain't so.

No US attorney can do anything without the consent of the attorney general, and no attorney general can do anything without the consent of the president. Obama could fire Holder and all of the US attorneys today for any reason, or no reason at all. Obama owns this crackdown.

 

[abandonconflict]

No US attorney can do anything without the consent of the attorney general, and no attorney general can do anything without the consent of the president. Obama could fire Holder and all of the US attorneys today for any reason, or no reason at all. Obama owns this crackdown.

The President, Attorney General and all US Attorneys still have to abide by the law. The law in this case is caught up in partisan politics. Obama isn't Stalin bro, he doesn't lay down the law like that.

 

[Pat the stoner]

I'm still holding hope for Paul, but I'm going to hold my vote as long as possible. If I see indication that he truly can not beat Romney, I will vote for Obama.

I want to have this legal as much as anyone but what makes anyone think Obama will do that , because all this time it hasnt happened . And there sure has been plenty of time to do it .

 

[Pat the stoner]

The President, Attorney General and all US Attorneys still have to abide by the law. The law in this case is caught up in partisan politics. Obama isn't Stalin bro, he doesn't lay down the law like that.

What about the dont ask dont tell policy ? That defied the law at the time , many years before it was changed . I'm not attacking Obama , I have a serious interest in legalization and thats it . I supported him in the last election cause of his position on legalization among other things .

 

[abandonconflict]

I want to have this legal as much as anyone but what makes anyone think Obama will do that , because all this time it hasnt happened . And there sure has been plenty of time to do it .

Well, there is hope that he will throw us a bone in his second term, he is being hampered by his political opposition. One obvious thing to point at is that before 08, there weren't many dispensaries around and cartel weed was in high demand. Remember those days? Weren't so long ago.

 

[desert dude]

The President, Attorney General and all US Attorneys still have to abide by the law. The law in this case is caught up in partisan politics. Obama isn't Stalin bro, he doesn't lay down the law like that.

I give up. Vote for Obama if you want, him or Romney makes no real difference. I am hoping Paul gets the R nomination, but I realize that is an extreme long shot. It is ironic that the only one who will scale back the war on drugs is Paul, a republican.

 

[Jogro]

The President, Attorney General and all US Attorneys still have to abide by the law. The law in this case is caught up in partisan politics. Obama isn't Stalin bro, he doesn't lay down the law like that.

LOL. I was once that young and naive, too.

First of all, the President AG, and US Attourneys are SUPPOSED to obey and enforce the law.

But we all know damn well that they sometimes ignore or deliberately break the law. Go read about "Operation Fast and Furious" a bit if you think the Obama administration loves obeying the law.

Next, NO US law enforcement agency has the budget to vigorously enforce EVERY law. They'll enforce egregious violations, if they need to, but every enforcement agency SETS PRIORITIES.

The priorities are set at the top by the AG, who acts at the behest of the President. In short, the President sets the tone for his administration in terms of what priorities he wants his LE to pursue.

If Obama doesn't want Federal MJ law enforced, all he has to tell the AG, DEA, etc not to enforce it. He could say, "MJ is low priority for my administration, go concentrate on busting heroin and coke dealers instead", and their response would either be "Yes, Mr. President" or "Here is my resignation".

And in fact that's EXACTLY what he DID do at the beginning of his administration. Recently, he reversed course, and directed the AG to go pursue MMJ dispensaries.

You can speculate about why (obviously "politics", but which politics?), but the recent crackdown on MMJ in CA and elsewhere is the DIRECT result of an explicit change in policy by the Obama administration.

Obama is directly responsible for it, period.

 

[desert dude]

LOL. I was once that young and naive, too.

First of all, the President AG, and US Attourneys are SUPPOSED to obey and enforce the law.

But we all know damn well that they sometimes ignore or deliberately break the law. Go read about "Operation Fast and Furious" a bit if you think the Obama administration loves obeying the law.

Next, NO US law enforcement agency has the budget to vigorously enforce EVERY law. They'll enforce egregious violations, if they need to, but every enforcement agency SETS PRIORITIES.

The priorities are set at the top by the AG, who acts at the behest of the President. In short, the President sets the tone for his administration in terms of what priorities he wants his LE to pursue.

If Obama doesn't want Federal MJ law enforced, all he has to tell the AG, DEA, etc not to enforce it. He could say, "MJ is low priority for my administration, go concentrate on busting heroin and coke dealers instead", and their response would either be "Yes, Mr. President" or "Here is my resignation".

And in fact that's EXACTLY what he DID do at the beginning of his administration. Recently, he reversed course, and directed the AG to go pursue MMJ dispensaries.

You can speculate about why (obviously "politics", but which politics?), but the recent crackdown on MMJ in CA and elsewhere is the DIRECT result of an explicit change in policy by the Obama administration.

Obama is directly responsible for it, period.

Well said, and exactly correct. Obama owns this crack down, end of story.

 

[desert dude]

And on top what Jogro said, the whole, "we won't bust 'em if they are in line with state law" is just an underhanded way of saying "we will do whatever the fuck we want and you guys operating the dispensaries will just have to hope we don't drop the hammer on you".


If a dispensary is not operating in line with state law, then the state would have every right and every responsibility to take legal action. The states don't need the feds to enforce state law.


Personally, I am not a big fan of MM anyway because it divides the forces on the side of legalization. The growers/dispensary operators don't want legalization because it would end their gravy train as the price of cannabis plummeted. In effect, the growers and dispensary operators and the cartels are all on the same side of this issue with ordinary freedom-loving Americans on the other.

 

[Jogro]

This article claims that the Obama administration had nothing to do with the recent MMJ crackdown:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/26/obama-administration-medical-marijuana-crackdown-california_n_1033482.html

To which I reply "Bull". . . I'm not in bridge-buying mood today.

Four career CA attourneys general don't "suddenly" begin a crackdown on MMJ. . .in direct violation of the Presidents' stated position on the matter. . .without clearing it with his office first. That's a nice way to find yourself instantly "resigned" in a pretty lousy economy for lawyers, to boot.

Obama, as he usually does, wants to have it both ways.

On one hand, his administration has permitted MMJ, yet on the other hand, his administration is cracking down. . .presumably to please critics of MMJ.

 

[desert dude]

"Obama, as he usually does, wants to have it both ways."

Judging by the responses on this thread, Obama IS having it both ways, he is a good politician.

 

[abandonconflict]

To say that Obama caved in under pressure and then allowed the DEA to continue their DECADES of cannabis prohibition after giving us a short break would be true. If you ignore the FACT that more progress was made toward softening the cannabis laws in this country in the last 4 years than in the previous decades, you still could not say he is the same as Romney because Romney has been very clear in his opposition. If you said that didn't matter because Romney could flip flop, than you are saying you want him to win and then flip flop. Dude, just STFU and vote for RON PAUL!

I know, you still want to nay say Obama, go ahead, just be correct.

 

[desert dude]

Romney could flip flop on MM, he has a long history of flip flopping. Obama has flipped his position on MM. Not a nickel's worth of difference between them. We will see in 2012 because Romney will most likely win the election unless something drastic happens to improve the economy.

 

[abandonconflict]

Romney could flip flop on MM, he has a long history of flip flopping. Obama has flipped his position on MM. Not a nickel's worth of difference between them. We will see in 2012 because Romney will most likely win the election unless something drastic happens to improve the economy.

Yes, they are identical, as long as you ignore the major differences I have pointed out, and you will, just like you have been this whole time.

 

[abandonconflict]

Romney could flip flop on MM, he has a long history of flip flopping. Obama has flipped his position on MM. Not a nickel's worth of difference between them. We will see in 2012 because Romney will most likely win the election unless something drastic happens to improve the economy.

To be honest, all I see is you trying to come back and get the last word and it is always Obama = Romney. If you can't name any statistics or at least some expert's comment then you are just trolling this thread. Furthermore, I don't care about dispensaries. I'm glad they are being shut down. The freedom to buy a commercial product will never be as good as owning the means of production.

 

[desert dude]

To be honest, all I see is you trying to come back and get the last word and it is always Obama = Romney. If you can't name any statistics or at least some expert's comment then you are just trolling this thread. Furthermore, I don't care about dispensaries. I'm glad they are being shut down. The freedom to buy a commercial product will never be as good as owning the means of production.

OK, here is a statistic: Romney is a notorious flip-flopper, I won't list his flips because I assume you are familiar with them.

Obama has flipped on:
1. his "stance" on MM
2. his promise to close Gitmo
3. his support for indefinite detention. He has vastly expanded this unconstitutional practice.
4. His coziness with wall street.

Romney and Obama both carefully examine the steam wafting over their turds after they take a dump to see which way the political wind is blowing. You can't trust either one of them because you have no idea, really, of what they actually stand for.

Now you can have the last word.

 

[Illegal Smile]

Do you people care about ANYTHING other than marijuana laws?