Another Asshole Ruins The Party

[Dislexicmidget2021]

He told to many people about his stuff,Theres the broken cardinal rule!Its sad to hear that this has occured though,cant trust people these days.

 

[Jimmyjonestoo]

It has been stated already, but I will reiterate.

This scene did not play out under re-legalization.

Scenarios such as this are PRECISELY why cannabis should be re-legalized.

Prohibition is what makes cannabis valuable. Prohibition, not re-legalization, encourages violence.

As far as 'dude kinda had it coming' is concerned: Nobody deserves to be shot for being stupid.

The villain here is the shooter, not the victim.

I might have worded it a little wrong. Nobody deserves that bit he shouldn't have been telling the whole world about his stash. That's what I meant by had it coming.

 

[Jimmyjonestoo]

If cannabis was legal we'd be discussing how this asshole shot someone trying to steal something else.

Probably right.

 

[Jimmyjonestoo]

i don't understand the thinking about legalization here though??

Violence over marijuana. It looks really bad for the majority of us that don't do stupid shit like that. If it comes out that he was shot over cannabis the media will make a Fucking stink about "this is exactly why we shouldn't legalize" . Violence never looks good for any cause.

 

[PbHash]

A motor vehicle has inherent value. Legality is irrelevant.

Cannabis has wildly inflated value because of Prohibition. Remove Prohibition and you remove the pressures which make a plant artificially valuable.

Yes you are right. I was saying: whether it is pot, cars, or money the people who do these crimes will stealing something

 

[Total Head]

A motor vehicle has inherent value. Legality is irrelevant.

Cannabis has wildly inflated value because of Prohibition. Remove Prohibition and you remove the pressures which make a plant artificially valuable.

while i agree completely with all of that, i don't think legalization would deter a common scumbag from taking "what's his". a lot of people really believe that cannabis would INCREASE in value should it be legalized, through heavy taxes and restrictions and permits and whatnot. i've had more discussions about it than i care to recall, all of them ending in headache.

suppose cannabis were legal but carried a heavy tax or something else to inflate its "value". it would be just as much of a target of thieves as it is now if they could sell it for less than the legal guys who obey the law. i used to steal weed from my friend's mom all the time. if it was legal i would have stolen it anyway because i wanted to smoke it and i had no money. how many times do we see after hours smash-and-grabs at liquor stores on the news? liquor is legal. how many times do convenience stores get robbed for cigarettes? those are legal and disgustingly expensive.

i don't think these types of stories have any place in the legalization debate. they give the impression that weed is something sought out by thieves, when all that is sought by a thief is a way to get money or avoid paying for something. weed, ipads, jewelry, whatever. the notion that cannabis would become dirt cheap if legalized is just a theory, and even if it were cheap it would still get stolen.

 

[Johnnyorganic]

while i agree completely with all of that, i don't think legalization would deter a common scumbag from taking "what's his". a lot of people really believe that cannabis would INCREASE in value should it be legalized, through heavy taxes and restrictions and permits and whatnot. i've had more discussions about it than i care to recall, all of them ending in headache.

suppose cannabis were legal but carried a heavy tax or something else to inflate its "value". it would be just as much of a target of thieves as it is now if they could sell it for less than the legal guys who obey the law. i used to steal weed from my friend's mom all the time. if it was legal i would have stolen it anyway because i wanted to smoke it and i had no money. how many times do we see after hours smash-and-grabs at liquor stores on the news? liquor is legal. how many times do convenience stores get robbed for cigarettes? those are legal and disgustingly expensive.

i don't think these types of stories have any place in the legalization debate. they give the impression that weed is something sought out by thieves, when all that is sought by a thief is a way to get money or avoid paying for something. weed, ipads, jewelry, whatever. the notion that cannabis would become dirt cheap if legalized is just a theory, and even if it were cheap it would still get stolen.

You make good points.

But I would like to point out that criminal activities related to legal vices are relatively trivial, misdemeanors usually. And that has to do more with a criminal mindset than the purloined product.

There is a reason why you can't pick a pack of smokes off the shelf yourself. The market figured out that a pack of cigs is too easy to shoplift. So you must ask the clerk at the counter for a pack of Luckies or whatever.

Same thing goes for the pints, half-pints, and higher-priced items in the liquor store.

50% of the price of any alcoholic beverage is embedded taxes; mostly Federal. Then the state and local jurisdiction gets another crack at you with the sales tax. And even with all those taxes, alcohol was still cheaper after Prohibition than before.

While I will not state categorically that no one has ever been killed over a pack of smokes or a bottle of Ripple, I will state that those crimes are anomalies. Having more to do with criminal mindset and less to do with tobacco or alcohol.