Ron paul is STILL working with white supremacist groups!

[Parker]

yep, 100%.

he made money by publishing racism, and you have to ask me this?

Since when do racists oppose the war on drugs and the death penalty because they are enforced unfairly on minorities. Since when does a racist count MLK, Rosa Parks, and Ghandi as heros? You really aren't very smart are you?
Sounds like you are the racist. Keep "those people" in jail where they belong.

 

[Parker]

No he's not, he's not even remotely a master of deception just because YOU fall for his BS. There's a large group of us, a large MAJORITY that sees right through him. You guys are in such denial it's unreal, you're all like in some sort of RP cult and can't see the forest for the trees.

Yea but your group is made up of idiots and racists themselves. You want to keep minorities in jail and off the streets. Who cares if minorities are given the death penalty at a much higher rate than others right? Death is what "those people" deserve. Minorities are 1/6 of the drug users, 1/3 of those arrested, and 2/3 of those serving time in jail. Instead of spending your time listening to the person ahead of you in the circle jerk rotation become informed.

how did this get to shotguns?

 

[UncleBuck]

Since when do racists oppose the war on drugs and the death penalty because they are enforced unfairly on minorities. Since when does a racist count MLK, Rosa Parks, and Ghandi as heros? You really aren't very smart are you?
Sounds like you are the racist. Keep "those people" in jail where they belong.

so if i say things that are not racist in public when i know i am speaking to an audience, but go home and write racist newsletters and coordinate with white supremacists in private, i am a saint?

sounds like you are hanging your hat on whatever ronald says in public is the unquestionable truth, whereas what he does when he thinks no one is watching is irrelevant.

politicians gonna politic.

 

[UncleBuck]

how did this get to shotguns?

people insisted that i let my thread go off topic, so i did.

and now "ron paul is still working with white supremacists" gets bumped to the top of the page again and again.

this thing would be buried somewhere on page 4 by now if i kept it on topic.

 

[NLXSK1]

people insisted that i let my thread go off topic, so i did.

and now "ron paul is still working with white supremacists" gets bumped to the top of the page again and again.

this thing would be buried somewhere on page 4 by now if i kept it on topic.

Wouldnt keeping something on topic here be as complicated as herding cats?

 

[abandonconflict]

Wouldnt keeping something on topic here be as complicated as herding cats?

My dog always tries to chase cats around.

 

[UncleBuck]

Wouldnt keeping something on topic here be as complicated as herding cats?

not really, i managed to keep it on topic for a while. my cats are pretty easy to herd, for the record.

 

[FilthyFizzle]

Rem 870 tactical or a Mossberg 500 will do the trick. Half choke, cant go wrong. As far as the Rem700, not bad but a Winchester 70 chambered in .308 would be my first choice. Although the 700 holds its value well

 

[NLXSK1]

not really, i managed to keep it on topic for a while. my cats are pretty easy to herd, for the record.

You didnt keep it on topic, you yelled at or ignored people who talked about other things....

 

[UncleBuck]

You didnt keep it on topic, you yelled at or ignored people who talked about other things....

i have allowed it to go off topic.

previously when people would want to talk about obama in a ron paul thread, i would direct them to talk about how ron paul is still working with white supremacists.

it's ll there in plain english for you to review.

 

[eyesky]

If I go to the States, I'm officially 5x more likely to be shot...dude, there is a SERIOUS gun crime problem in the US, have you not noticed?!

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people then any of my guns!

 

[abandonconflict]

There is a bomb crime problem in Iraq too, look at the cause of the problem, not the tools involved. I know that most Mexicans are tired of American guns in Mexico though.

 

[InCognition]

Remington is fine, just because there have been a couple of incidents doesn't mean they all do that. have any idea how many millions upon millions of Remington rifle uses that same trigger in the 700 model? The US Army and US Marines are still using Remington 700 triggers and actions for their sniper rifles. Remington has been making that trigger for 72 years now, over a long period with millions of examples and with people adjusting trigger settings (I always do) there is bound to be accidents.

The model 870 is the most popular shotgun ever made in the world, there are more than 10 million of them out there, if they all had trigger problems you would hear of far far far more incidents than the few you do. People like the 870 because it is cost effective, slicker than snot, breaks down to the molecular level in mere seconds, easy to clean, simple in operation and extremely durable. About the only pump shotgun that was better was the Winchester model 1912.

I don't really care that most are fine. The amount of incidents with their hunting rifles (non user error & factory trigger settings), and Remington's admitted negligence in regards to the trigger group made me never want to touch the Remington Rifles.

I didn't believe the same held true for their shotguns, so I willingly used one. The thing jammed once for every 3 - 4 shots fired, and once it AD'ed when no one pulled the trigger, I've vowed never to touch another Remington gun in my life.

You also have to realize most incidents don't make national media. There have been plenty on incidents with Remington. What you consider plenty is up to you, but it's too much for me to trust a Remington anywhere near my vicinity.

 

[FilthyFizzle]

I don't really care that most are fine. The amount of incidents with their hunting rifles (non user error & factory trigger settings), and Remington's admitted negligence in regards to the trigger group made me never want to touch the Remington Rifles.

I didn't believe the same held true for their shotguns, so I willingly used one. The thing jammed once for every 3 - 4 shots fired, and once it AD'ed when no one pulled the trigger, I've vowed never to touch another Remington gun in my life.

You also have to realize most incidents don't make national media. There have been plenty on incidents with Remington. What you consider plenty is up to you, but it's too much for me to trust a Remington anywhere near my vicinity.

Given your knowledge on firearms what would you recommend?

 

[InCognition]

As far as shotguns go, Brownings are nice. A friend of mine has one and we have gone to turkey shoots and use his gun and someone in our group will usually win and everybody else gets pissed off by the end of the day. None of our other guns hold such a good pattern.

Yea, they are nice. I have a Browning Citori and the thing is built like a tank. I don't like the shot pattern on the Browning with bird shot, compared to the Beretta shotguns. The thing is Beretta shotguns fall apart after a couple thousand rounds because they have no meat to them.

I've never fired larger shot through the Browning though, so I'm not sure if it's any different as compared to bird shot.

 

[InCognition]

Given your knowledge on firearms what would you recommend?

I don't really like to make recommendations to other fire arm users because every person values different characteristics in firearms. I personally value reliability over all other aspects.

Based on my personal opinion and my value of reliability, I would say a double-barrel, break barrel, shotgun. They fire every time you pull the trigger.

I also would recommend an ak-47 or one of it's variants, as long as it's properly built. A properly built AK will never let you down.

 

[FilthyFizzle]

I don't really like to make recommendations to other fire arm users because every person values different characteristics in firearms. I personally value reliability over all other aspects.

Based on my personal opinion and my value of reliability, I would say a double-barrel, break barrel, shotgun. They fire every time you pull the trigger.

I also would recommend an ak-47 or one of it's variants, as long as it's properly built. A properly built AK will never let you down.

I would have to agree with that. I love my over under 12 and my single shot 16. They will never fail me like a 870 possibly could, but some people have the need to shoot #4 buckshot as quick as they possibly can and as much as they can. The old single wouldn't do too well in a home invasion.

 

[NoDrama]

I don't really care that most are fine. The amount of incidents with their hunting rifles (non user error & factory trigger settings), and Remington's admitted negligence in regards to the trigger group made me never want to touch the Remington Rifles.

I didn't believe the same held true for their shotguns, so I willingly used one. The thing jammed once for every 3 - 4 shots fired, and once it AD'ed when no one pulled the trigger, I've vowed never to touch another Remington gun in my life.

You also have to realize most incidents don't make national media. There have been plenty on incidents with Remington. What you consider plenty is up to you, but it's too much for me to trust a Remington anywhere near my vicinity.

Ever heard of the Ford Pinto? [video=youtube;rcNeorjXMrE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcNeorjXMrE[/video]

all Fords explode into flames when rear ended.

a total of 75 law suits involving Remington triggers....over 23 million of those triggers out there.

 

[InCognition]

Ever heard of the Ford Pinto? [video=youtube;rcNeorjXMrE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcNeorjXMrE[/video]

all Fords explode into flames when rear ended.

a total of 75 law suits involving Remington triggers....over 23 million of those triggers out there.

I understand that it's rare, but I could care less about the stats. I will never willingly keep a Remington near me with ammo in the same area, that is capable of being chambered in the gun.

From first hand experience, they have lost all my trust.


There are better or equivalent guns out there, without the "rare" safety issues. I wouldn't bother buying one simply for the fact that I don't want to be worried about the guns integrity. I'll spend a little more and remove the paranoia.

Also out of principle, I will not use a Remington, knowing that they intentionally cut corners on their trigger group and knowingly compromised the safety of the weapon.

 

[InCognition]

I would have to agree with that. I love my over under 12 and my single shot 16. They will never fail me like a 870 possibly could, but some people have the need to shoot #4 buckshot as quick as they possibly can and as much as they can. The old single wouldn't do too well in a home invasion.

That's why I got the AK with 30 hollow points in the clip ready to go . Would have to be one big home invasion because I got extra mags on standby, lol.