farmers markets

[gladstoned]

They ship to US. I have made 3 orders. No problems at all.

 

[Cory and trevor]

you're still trying to make this idiotic distinction between the two businesses like there is a difference. I'm saying you can't have that. you can't have a "compassion club" with this fairy tale idea about helping people and being in business and paying bills with smiles and hugs. every single business is a money maker. no money no business or compassion club or WTF ever you call it. donations is a skirt of the law or whatever you want to call it. it aint no fucking donation, nothing like a donation. I don't expect a "free x-ray" if I "donate" to a radiology department. you DO however expect a gram for your pre determined donation amount at a compassion club. both non profits mind you. hospitals are non profit entities but have an amazingly different "donation" structure. whatever, nit pick and figure out who the evil people are and who the good guys are for me you know it all. this site is no different then the fuckin MMMA site, still got your assholes, you're kids and you're idiots and your'e 2 for 3 assuming you're over 18. sure...... you were misled that your donation was going to save the world and make weed free for all-that doesn't make anyone crooked just makes you stupid.

 

[st0wandgrow]

I never said the two were "businesses". EVERY business has a profit motive. It's the very definition of a "business". Look it up, skippy.

I am self employed (for profit, to make money), and I donate my time elsewhere (not for profit, out of compassion) to various organizations. I know the difference between the two. You are apparently clueless to this.

Stick with watching Trailer Park Boys, dipshit. It seems about your speed.

Edit: I'll bust out my crayons and simplify this a bit more for you ....

-Caregiver A hooks up with patient A and they agree to a flat rate of $500 an ounce for the meds. This is up front, and mutually agreed upon, and therefor I have absolutely no issue with it.

-Caregiver B promises patient B 2 free ounces a month, and then proceeds to charge patient B $250 an ounce for the meds that were supposed to be free. Caregiver B is a piece of shit in my books.

 

[Timmahh]

Hey Vape, see you made it over lol, yea things get hairy here at times for sure. but all in all good peeps and great debates. lol


Until you guys that set back and keyboard comando about the farmers markets, actually get out from behind your CPU Screens and go there for yourself, and use your own two eyes and your own two ears as stated earlier, all you are doing is tossing shit into the box fan.

I can almost gaurentee Joe gives away more meds in a couple weekends at the JFM (which he BUYs from the Caregivers at the market) to Needy Patients than many of us would see in a years time at a local compassion club... You can make all the claims you want, but if you have ever ran a business, then you understand the cost associtated with having open doors.

now keep in mind, he does not make a penny off any meds moved thru the FM, unless he has his own available. and when he does, he gives them to the needy patients. I would say thats pretty damn compassionate. I know for a fact he probalby gives away near 1/2 lb of free meds every weekend hes open..

but you can bitch and keyboard comando all you want, until you show up and see it for yourself, you are running strictly on conjecture and guesses.

 

[Timmahh]

maybe some of you should contact recent RIU member Bear, or THC Bear. Talk to him about the Jackson Farmers Market, and how it is illegal, and how TCH Bear shouldnt be going there to get free Meds cuz he cant grow them himself, is a vet on disability and cant afford much of anything, and how he is being taken advantage of by Joe and the JFM.


Maybe you can contact JDChrones and see how he has recieved Zero help from the 3MA or its Membership. No compassion there at all...



IM sure he would agree with you their is Zero compassion from Joe or the JFM.

Some people do things for money, some do them because they are the Right things to do. I know Joe is in the latter Group of individuals If he was in it for the money, every county would already have a running FM.

Speaking of..... IF Joe is making SO much money at the Jackson FM, the maybe you can explain to me why the rest of the money grubbrs havnt opened one up> I mean Mi is full of greedy people that love money. If the Jackson FM is making SO MUCH of it, then shouldnt their aleady be a FM in every county? Jail or the prospect of it, never stops a greedy person from capitalizing on making money at anyones expense.

Doesnt it seem to be weird, with such a Major money maker as the Jackson Farmers Market, that nearly no other Greedy fuck has opened one?
if GOOD money can be made, someone will make it, jail be damned....

Can anyone explain that to me, and dont use the a FM Is illegal. there are about 4 in the state now, and more opening. Mostly because they ARE legal, but really not a money maker IF they are modeled after the Jackson ran FM.

I posted up Joes Not For Profit Farmers Market model for all to read. Must of had to many big words and non understandable sentences and phrases for many to understand cuz no one seemed to find an issue with it they could latch on to and bleed dry for whine and bitch material.

either that or the fact its a solid model with minimal capacity to create alot of money for anyone person just eluded those that read it?

 

[BigBuddahCheese]

I never said the two were "businesses". EVERY business has a profit motive. It's the very definition of a "business". Look it up, skippy.

I am self employed (for profit, to make money), and I donate my time elsewhere (not for profit, out of compassion) to various organizations. I know the difference between the two. You are apparently clueless to this.

Stick with watching Trailer Park Boys, dipshit. It seems about your speed.

Edit: I'll bust out my crayons and simplify this a bit more for you ....

-Caregiver A hooks up with patient A and they agree to a flat rate of $500 an ounce for the meds. This is up front, and mutually agreed upon, and therefor I have absolutely no issue with it.

-Caregiver B promises patient B 2 free ounces a month, and then proceeds to charge patient B $250 an ounce for the meds that were supposed to be free. Caregiver B is a piece of shit in my books.

B is most certainly.. I give 2 ounces free, dry-ice hash also.. I don't even grow his allotted plants. He has been throwing me $300 but that was his decision not mine to cover my electric (karma?), I started to grow on the intent like these other monkeys that want to capitalize on their patients but have seen what this so-called medical mmj is turned into. Punks trying to be the next Ms. Botwin, I mean go to any Farmers Market and it is like walking into a crack house with the crack users selling the medicine.

It is sad, I mean look at these people selling in these "markets" they can't even take a shower or brush their teeth, yet these mindless droves are buying stuff saying it's great. Pfft. Sorry these monkeys at these markets are the same retards pretaching unjust this, harrassment that, vote this.. it's like shooting yourself in the foot if you want this legalized and screwing their patients. I would not inhale second hand smoke from a bong grown by one of these guys, not to say I have seen some good people there with good intent it's the other 95%.

 

[st0wandgrow]

Hey Vape, see you made it over lol, yea things get hairy here at times for sure. but all in all good peeps and great debates. lol


Until you guys that set back and keyboard comando about the farmers markets, actually get out from behind your CPU Screens and go there for yourself, and use your own two eyes and your own two ears as stated earlier, all you are doing is tossing shit into the box fan.

I can almost gaurentee Joe gives away more meds in a couple weekends at the JFM (which he BUYs from the Caregivers at the market) to Needy Patients than many of us would see in a years time at a local compassion club... You can make all the claims you want, but if you have ever ran a business, then you understand the cost associtated with having open doors.

now keep in mind, he does not make a penny off any meds moved thru the FM, unless he has his own available. and when he does, he gives them to the needy patients. I would say thats pretty damn compassionate. I know for a fact he probalby gives away near 1/2 lb of free meds every weekend hes open..

but you can bitch and keyboard comando all you want, until you show up and see it for yourself, you are running strictly on conjecture and guesses.

Have you gone to the farmers market yourself, or are you running strictly on conjecture and guesses?

 

[sencinitas]

Alright well I didn't read this whole thread. Just the 1st few and last few, so I apologize if I'm restating information but I am pretty informed on the subject and would like to offer my knowledge to anyone who might be benefited.

IN CALIFORNIA:

Patients who belong to a Collective may "share", "give", "donate", (whatever you wanna call it) meds to other patients who also belong to their collective. Donations (money) may be accepted in exchange (for meds) but it (the money) MUST go through the the Non-Profit Corporations (collectives) accounting process.

i.e. Let's say Joe is the president of a Non-Profit Collective in CA and Joe "sells" an oz through his collective for $300 (including CA sales tax) to a patient. That $300 can not go directly into Joes pocket. Even if Joe grew it and and did all the work to "sell" it. That $300 has to 1st go to the Non-Profit Corp. Usually it would be deposited into the collective bank account. But the main thing is that the transaction is to be documented in the companies books and CA sales tax is to be paid for said transaction.
This must happen with every dollar that comes into the collective. The same exact thing must be done with every dollar spent. If a vendor/grower comes in and "donates" a lb. for $3000, it must be documented in the companies books that $3000 was spent on 1 lb of meds and was paid to said Vendor.

FYI: This is how all tax paying companies (are supposed to anyways) operate. The difference between a for-profit and a not-for-profit corporation is how board-members (owners) get paid.

In a for-profit situation the owner MAY take all left over money at the end of the month, week, etc (however they decide to break up the year, usually monthly or bi-weekly)

In a not-for-profit ALL "profits" must be re-invested back into the company. The "owners" are paid a pre-determined salary regardless of how much money the company makes.

So MAIN difference here is that the owners of of for-profit business take all the left over money because they own the company and therefore the money.

For a non-profit the "owner" doesn't technically "own" the comapany (and therefore the money) but just works for the collective (even though he fulfills the duties and does work, just like an owner would). The company must pay the "owner" of a non-profit, because the money belongs to the company, not the "owner"

It is my understanding that as long as a collective abides by these financial guidelines the medium they choose i.e. delivery, retail style store-front, or farmers market is up to them.

In the case of a (legal) FM, the growers are operating as collective employees and any payment they receive is from the Collective itself and not from the actual patient. You may hand your money to the grower but the grower gives the money to the collective. Who in turn accounts for it and then pays the grower for growing the meds for the collective.

Again this is for CA only. I dunno about the rest of the states.

 

[Timmahh]

Read my post. I said no, But i speak Daily with Patients and Caregivers that go there every weekend or two....

IM speaking from Direct Testimony of people that DO and ARE going there. at 3 hrs one way, it would be a drive for me. If it was an hr or less away, id be there, and be there often im sure....

Senci. Very well explained.

Difference here in Mi, is that the state has no tax structure for this yet. SO those that see their way to legally fullfill their tax obligations are setting up DBA as Hobby Farmers....

at a Mi Setup like a FM, pt Donate to CG their asking donation cost for the amount of meds they desire, up to their allotted amount (a cg can hold 2.5 Oz in reserve for each pt they have a cg card for, up to 5 assigned Pts.)

So in this case, Joe is a Promotor, He rents a building and then rents table to CGs, who then deal directly with Pts, all money a CG gets dontated is theirs. they only pay for the table fees. Joe as owner/promotor of the FM is just like any promoter of any event, like a craft show, motorcycle swap meet ect.......

He has expenses for building, security, Med check station for Molds ect.. He pays a set fee when the local Test company comes in to run tests on meds ect... and in the process, buys from CGs, meds to give to those that are on disablity ect, and just cant afford their meds or to set up a grow for themselves.


How did things work out in Cali in the first few yrs of your Act?

 

[Cory and trevor]

Alright well I didn't read this whole thread. Just the 1st few and last few, so I apologize if I'm restating information but I am pretty informed on the subject and would like to offer my knowledge to anyone who might be benefited.

IN CALIFORNIA:

Patients who belong to a Collective may "share", "give", "donate", (whatever you wanna call it) meds to other patients who also belong to their collective. Donations (money) may be accepted in exchange (for meds) but it (the money) MUST go through the the Non-Profit Corporations (collectives) accounting process.

i.e. Let's say Joe is the president of a Non-Profit Collective in CA and Joe "sells" an oz through his collective for $300 (including CA sales tax) to a patient. That $300 can not go directly into Joes pocket. Even if Joe grew it and and did all the work to "sell" it. That $300 has to 1st go to the Non-Profit Corp. Usually it would be deposited into the collective bank account. But the main thing is that the transaction is to be documented in the companies books and CA sales tax is to be paid for said transaction.
This must happen with every dollar that comes into the collective. The same exact thing must be done with every dollar spent. If a vendor/grower comes in and "donates" a lb. for $3000, it must be documented in the companies books that $3000 was spent on 1 lb of meds and was paid to said Vendor.

FYI: This is how all tax paying companies (are supposed to anyways) operate. The difference between a for-profit and a not-for-profit corporation is how board-members (owners) get paid.

In a for-profit situation the owner MAY take all left over money at the end of the month, week, etc (however they decide to break up the year, usually monthly or bi-weekly)

In a not-for-profit ALL "profits" must be re-invested back into the company. The "owners" are paid a pre-determined salary regardless of how much money the company makes.

So MAIN difference here is that the owners of of for-profit business take all the left over money because they own the company and therefore the money.

For a non-profit the "owner" doesn't technically "own" the comapany (and therefore the money) but just works for the collective (even though he fulfills the duties and does work, just like an owner would). The company must pay the "owner" of a non-profit, because the money belongs to the company, not the "owner"

It is my understanding that as long as a collective abides by these financial guidelines the medium they choose i.e. delivery, retail style store-front, or farmers market is up to them.

In the case of a (legal) FM, the growers are operating as collective employees and any payment they receive is from the Collective itself and not from the actual patient. You may hand your money to the grower but the grower gives the money to the collective. Who in turn accounts for it and then pays the grower for growing the meds for the collective.

Again this is for CA only. I dunno about the rest of the states.

Most informative post I have ever read on here. Thanks.

 

[gladstoned]

Until you guys that set back and keyboard comando about the farmers markets, actually get out from behind your CPU Screens and go there for yourself, and use your own two eyes and your own two ears as stated earlier, all you are doing is tossing shit into the box fan.

So you have been there then?

 

[Timmahh]

Read my posts. the answers already posted.

I giving you all the leg up on doing your own investigation. but im not doing it for you, i Did my legwork already.

 

[pbear]

Tim why are you still dangling from my nuts? I dont know anything about you and you only have assumptions about me, wich are wildly incorrect. I have not spoken to you about the pharmers market, nor will I ever. It is sad that you do not have someone that feels like you are worth taking to the market, if you would like I can ask my ride to pick you up from the niles amtrack station and we can carpool to the market. It sounds like you are a bit heavy on the sativa.

 

[Timmahh]

Pbear, you seem to think im attacking you, which im not. I just used you as a reference for someone that recently went to the JFM and was able to get help. Doesnt that about sum it up?


So i ll ask if i have to, Did you have a member come help you out when you joined the 3MA and this site looking for help about a month ago? Which site was that member from PBear?
Did that member take you to the Jackson FM, where you were able to get nearly your limit in meds at that time? and Did you have to pay 600.00 for them? Would you say you seen compassionate work going at at the JFM?

All I am doing is using your recent experience at the JFM to make a point it does A LOT of good for folks that are on hard times, fixed incomes, and just cant swing having a steady supply of quality meds. Im glad you were able to get some help and relief. But many here say you should suffer, cuz the JFM is illegal, and you should be happy they want it closed so you cant get the help you just got a few weeks back.


How do you feel about the JFM? Did being there make you feel like a criminal? cuz according to about 20 people here you are for going there and being treated with compassion from the folks there.

 

[pbear]

Pbear, you seem to think im attacking you, which im not. I just used you as a reference for someone that recently went to the JFM and was able to get help. Doesnt that about sum it up?


So i ll ask if i have to, Did you have a member come help you out when you joined the 3MA and this site looking for help about a month ago? Which site was that member from PBear?
Did that member take you to the Jackson FM, where you were able to get nearly your limit in meds at that time? and Did you have to pay 600.00 for them? Would you say you seen compassionate work going at at the JFM?

All I am doing is using your recent experience at the JFM to make a point it does A LOT of good for folks that are on hard times, fixed incomes, and just cant swing having a steady supply of quality meds. Im glad you were able to get some help and relief. But many here say you should suffer, cuz the JFM is illegal, and you should be happy they want it closed so you cant get the help you just got a few weeks back.


How do you feel about the JFM? Did being there make you feel like a criminal? cuz according to about 20 people here you are for going there and being treated with compassion from the folks there.

No I do not feel attacked just offended at the false references. Yes I had a vet from that mmma site guide me but did not transport me. No I did not get anywhere close to my two and a half, but yes I nearly spent the amount you stated wich was supposed to last one month but did not. Also most stuff there is not medical quality. I was treated with compassion by only a few individuals, the rest of the civilians there were rude and almost knocked me down repeatedly. Goodnight troll.

 

[gladstoned]

Timmahh. Are you fucking kidding me right now?! You have never been to the market for one and for two you just threw this veterans information on the internet. If I was pbear I would want to kick the shit out of you so bad I wouldn't be able to sleep tonight. What the fuck is wrong with you seriously? I think a farmer's market should be legal, but son of a bitch every last story you tell pisses me off more and more. You posting this patients personal shit and the amounts they spent should have you banned permanently from the 3MA and the Jackson Farmers Market. You are out of your fucking mind. Do you drink? Your posts go all over the place daily.

 

[ozzrokk]

Tim why are you still dangling from my nuts? I dont know anything about you and you only have assumptions about me, wich are wildly incorrect. I have not spoken to you about the pharmers market, nor will I ever. It is sad that you do not have someone that feels like you are worth taking to the market, if you would like I can ask my ride to pick you up from the niles amtrack station and we can carpool to the market. It sounds like you are a bit heavy on the sativa.

If I might as what was your username back when you were looking for help?

 

[bob harris]

Timmahh. Are you fucking kidding me right now?! You have never been to the market for one and for two you just threw this veterans information on the internet. If I was pbear I would want to kick the shit out of you so bad I wouldn't be able to sleep tonight. What the fuck is wrong with you seriously? I think a farmer's market should be legal, but son of a bitch every last story you tell pisses me off more and more. You posting this patients personal shit and the amounts they spent should have you banned permanently from the 3MA and the Jackson Farmers Market. You are out of your fucking mind. Do you drink? Your posts go all over the place daily.

Does this Timmah moron realize that if pbear is a veteran, on veteran disability, or even Social Security..that drawing attention to him could jeopardize his benefits? The feds don't have any problem disqualifying you for benefits if you have a drug charge/conviction of any kind. medical or not.

So the guy spouting off as the most compassionate of all, is willing to risk a disabled vets benefits..mis quote the amount of help he received, and the cost to the patient..and that's how he shows compassion?

This guy doesn't have a clue. He can't understand that no one is saying they don't like the concept of a farmers market..just that it has the hall marks of bad shit waiting to happen, therefor We choose to not endorse it. He's pushing the idea of improving things by being belligerent to the "law"..he's trying to create martyr's for the cause.

Brother, if you are so intent on being a Martyr, C'mon over to Grand Rapids and set up a market...your ass will be in jail in no time..for me..a farmers market just isn't worth dying for...

And if I read Pbears post right..he got no where near 2.5oz, paid almost $600 for it, and the quality was "mids". Yup, lots of lovin going on there..love of money that is, by the compassionate vendors.

 

[ismokealotofpot]

your spamming riu

 

[Cory and trevor]

Tim why are you still dangling from my nuts? I dont know anything about you and you only have assumptions about me, wich are wildly incorrect. I have not spoken to you about the pharmers market, nor will I ever. It is sad that you do not have someone that feels like you are worth taking to the market, if you would like I can ask my ride to pick you up from the niles amtrack station and we can carpool to the market. It sounds like you are a bit heavy on the sativa.

scuse me sir, do you know how hard you nut-dangling back there? Step away from the nuts sir.