trayvan martin

[Samwell Seed Well]

Nope. Read Florida's SYG law. Zimmer is immune from criminal prosecution AND civil suit if he is covered by SYG. There is literally nothing that can be done to Zimmer if he is covered by SYG.

Frankly, I don't understand your reluctance regarding the police report. What possible motive would the police officer have that would cause him to lie in this case? In any case, if it goes to trial it will be a jury that decides and my guess is that jury will not have your doubts about the police officer's report.

how is him pursuing martin standing his ground?

look at the other cases of police abuse of power . . . its called a pattern and cops are just as narcissistic and egotistical and corrupt as a 29 yr old unemployed wife beater with a history of getting off the hook . . . .. for no reason but his dad is connected with the local PD and courts

whats this new article i just heard about from my gf that Z
s lawyer has dropped him cause they cant find him . . . ..who runs when they are innocent?

 

[UncleBuck]

how is him pursuing martin standing his ground?

as cannabineer stated, he "stood his ground in a brisk forward trajectory".

 

[desert dude]

let's not forget that the cop who was in charge of the crime scene was the same guy who did diddly shit when a son of the force decked a homeless black man from behind a year or so earlier, nearly killing him.

let's also not forget that about 5 or so years back, another son of the force got away with "self defense" after shooting a black teen in the back, killing him.

let's also not forget about police report after police report where the value of cannabis is listed at what we all know is complete bullshit. they got a pound? well, that's $10,000 worth of drugs off the streets.

yet desert douche is putting his full faith and conviction behind these police reports, the same one that lists martin's name and DOB as he is tagged at the morgue as john doe.

seems legit.

Well, Uterus, you list examples of cops lieing to protect the sons of police officers, those cases are a bit more convincing to me (maybe not to a jury) when you claim their police report is not to be trusted.

In this case, though, we have Zimmer; he is not a cop, not a cop's son, if anything I would guess the cops actively dislike him, if they know him at all. Are we to believe that the cop who responded that night, Timothy Smith, joined in on a conspiracy to protect Zimmerman literally minutes after the shooting? That is simply not a credible accusation. That is apparently all you have, and that explains why Zimmer was not charged.

Your moral outrage over this incident is irrelevant. It's a bitter pill, best to swallow it quickly.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

no wonder

i know why you dont explain yourself more often . . . .you make no sense when you try and rationalize your opinions

based on the lastest update that validate your assumptions

like a leaf on the wind or a bug on the surface of the river at the whim of the elements . . ..

i don think the cops made a discussion to botch the investigation . . .they jsut did nothing to actually investigate

lack or effort is not proof of intent

but lack of professionalism is proof of thier lack of effort and negligence, which could be a sign of one sided justice and bigotry

 

[UncleBuck]

Well, Uterus, you list examples of cops lieing to protect the sons of police officers, those cases are a bit more convincing to me (maybe not to a jury) when you claim their police report is not to be trusted.

In this case, though, we have Zimmer; he is not a cop, not a cop's son, if anything I would guess the cops actively dislike him, if they know him at all. Are we to believe that the cop who responded that night, Timothy Smith, joined in on a conspiracy to protect Zimmerman literally minutes after the shooting? That is simply not a credible accusation. That is apparently all you have, and that explains why Zimmer was not charged.

Your moral outrage over this incident is irrelevant. It's a bitter pill, best to swallow it quickly.

lol.

zimmerman's retired judge papa was trying to get him on the force.

watch the surveillance tapes of zimmerman at the station. does that look like the cops dislike him?

ties in the law enforcement community run deep, any dumb-dumb knows this. zimmerman's retired federal court judge lived in the town next door and was trying to get his son on the force. FACT.

i know that's a bitter pill for your dumb ass to swallow, best to slam it back as quick as you can before masturbating furiously to photoshopped images of zimmerman and hannity having tantric sex.

 

[desert dude]

a retired judge from the town next door who is trying to get his son on the force, possibly.

i bet you think that cops are the most honest bunch of guys there could ever be.

you poor, sad, individual.

As is usual from your posts, this is bull shit. Zimmer's father was a retired low level court flunky, with a grand sounding title, in Virginia (geography lesson: not Florida); he was not a judge in Florida, he was not a judge in Virginia, not anywhere.

You have nothing but apoplexy on your side.

 

[UncleBuck]

As is usual from your posts, this is bull shit. Zimmer's father was a retired low level court flunky, with a grand sounding title, in Virginia (geography lesson: not Florida); he was not a judge in Florida, he was not a judge in Virginia, not anywhere.

You have nothing but apoplexy on your side.

a retired federal court magistrate who lived for several years in the town next to sanford and who was actively trying to get his son on the force.

you have nothing but closing your eyes, sticking your fingers in your ears, and masturbating furiously to hannity on your side.

 

[cannabineer]

Nope. Read Florida's SYG law. Zimmer is immune from criminal prosecution AND civil suit if he is covered by SYG. There is literally nothing that can be done to Zimmer if he is covered by SYG.

Frankly, I don't understand your reluctance regarding the police report. What possible motive would the police officer have that would cause him to lie in this case? In any case, if it goes to trial it will be a jury that decides and my guess is that jury will not have your doubts about the police officer's report.

I think SYG will be mooted by Z's failure to stand, but rather advance. It's not "Take Your Ground", after all.

I would be speculation as to the reporting policeman's possible motives, and imo the motives are less interesting than the sequence of events. But it's not beyond belief* that such reports get "cooked", especially in a department with Sanford's demonstrated cavalier attitude to procedure. So I would say that a prosecutor who's displacing his weight will have no trouble casting reasonable doubt upon that report .... unless/until the forensic picture firms up considerable. The jury will be privy to that while I will not. cn

* I was once in a fender-bender in which someone ran into my car from behind. The other driver was a young chickie with a baby seat, and the responding officer swallowed her lies without much compunction. So I received a "moving violation" citation that I simply didn't earn. My point is that police reports are not gospel, from trivial instances like mine ... to very nontrivial ones like in this case.

 

[desert dude]

a retired federal court magistrate who lived for several years in the town next to sanford and who was actively trying to get his son on the force.

you have nothing but closing your eyes, sticking your fingers in your ears, and masturbating furiously to hannity on your side.

The age of the internet makes it hard to be a total douche-bag liar. Douche-bag liars hardest:

"George Zimmerman’s father is Robert Zimmerman. Robert Zimmerman gave a statement to the ‘Orlando Sentinel’ defending his son’s role in the shooting death of teenager Trayvon Martin. We then contacted the Virginia Supreme Court to confirm Robert Zimmerman’s employment.

Kristi Wright with the Department of Legislative and Public Relations wrote us this email in response:

“Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006. Please be advised that in Virginia magistrates are judicial officers, but they are not considered "judges" and do not possess trial jurisdiction. More detailed information on the role of the magistrate in Virginia is available on Virginia's Judicial System Website .”
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/zimmerman-dad-worked-as-magistrate

 

[Farfenugen]

......yawn

 

[NLXSK1]

Well, Uterus, you list examples of cops lieing to protect the sons of police officers, those cases are a bit more convincing to me (maybe not to a jury) when you claim their police report is not to be trusted.

In this case, though, we have Zimmer; he is not a cop, not a cop's son, if anything I would guess the cops actively dislike him, if they know him at all. Are we to believe that the cop who responded that night, Timothy Smith, joined in on a conspiracy to protect Zimmerman literally minutes after the shooting? That is simply not a credible accusation. That is apparently all you have, and that explains why Zimmer was not charged.

Your moral outrage over this incident is irrelevant. It's a bitter pill, best to swallow it quickly.

Dont forget, the cop would have somehow have to collude with the eye witness to change his testimony.

Do cops lie? Sure. Do they create false reports? Sure.

Do you have any evidence that anything like this took place in the case of Zimmerman? I highly doubt it because it would have been plastered all over this thread already.

The people that want Zimmerman to do time are creating scenarios mostly based on the proven misleading and false reports from the press that have led to retractions and people getting fired from 3 networks.

This was a tragedy. A tragedy where both people were partly responsible.

 

[desert dude]

I think SYG will be mooted by Z's failure to stand, but rather advance. It's not "Take Your Ground", after all.

I would be speculation as to the reporting policeman's possible motives, and imo the motives are less interesting than the sequence of events. But it's not beyond belief* that such reports get "cooked", especially in a department with Sanford's demonstrated cavalier attitude to procedure. So I would say that a prosecutor who's displacing his weight will have no trouble casting reasonable doubt upon that report .... unless/until the forensic picture firms up considerable. The jury will be privy to that while I will not. cn

* I was once in a fender-bender in which someone ran into my car from behind. The other driver was a young chickie with a baby seat, and the responding officer swallowed her lies without much compunction. So I received a "moving violation" citation that I simply didn't earn. My point is that police reports are not gospel, from trivial instances like mine ... to very nontrivial ones like in this case.

All I can tell is: READ. THE. LAW.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

being a judge you dont think he would have in interest in his sons affairs . . . . . .give me a break

now who is incompetent

how do you get away with repeated violent offenses including wife battery and have a concealed weapons permit as well as be allowed to have a small amount of responsibility , not authority , as neighborhood watch member

im not sure if you have ever been in the system but once your in your fucked unless you have money of influence which Z has none of . . .but daddy has some influence

 

[NLXSK1]

• I think SYG will be mooted by Z's failure to stand, but rather advance. It's not "Take Your Ground", after all.
  
  I would be speculation​

  
  
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You can stop right there... It is total speculation that Zimmerman was pursuing Travan when the incident occured.

By the only eye-witness testimony, Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle.

You are speculating and assuming by saying anything different here...

So stop being a total fucking hypocrite.

 

[Samwell Seed Well]

All I can tell is: READ. THE. LAW.

you seem to know it by heart....im sure you can reference the section that states stand your ground can be used in such a manor

 

[cannabineer]

All I can tell is: READ. THE. LAW.

If you mean Florida Statutes 776.012 and .013, these have been discussed in this thread. If you mean something other, genuinely new ... I'd appreciate a link. cn

 

[UncleBuck]

The age of the internet makes it hard to be a total douche-bag liar. Douche-bag liars hardest:

"George Zimmerman’s father is Robert Zimmerman. Robert Zimmerman gave a statement to the ‘Orlando Sentinel’ defending his son’s role in the shooting death of teenager Trayvon Martin. We then contacted the Virginia Supreme Court to confirm Robert Zimmerman’s employment.

Kristi Wright with the Department of Legislative and Public Relations wrote us this email in response:

“Robert J. Zimmerman served as a full-time magistrate from 2000-2006. Please be advised that in Virginia magistrates are judicial officers, but they are not considered "judges" and do not possess trial jurisdiction. More detailed information on the role of the magistrate in Virginia is available on Virginia's Judicial System Website .”
http://www.abcactionnews.com/dpp/news/crime/zimmerman-dad-worked-as-magistrate

lol, supreme court magistrate?

any dumb-dumb with a GED like you can get that title.

 

[UncleBuck]

You can stop right there... It is total speculation that Zimmerman was pursuing Travan when the incident occured.

you can stop right there.

zimmerman was sitting in his truck at 7:14 pm when he hung up with the dispatcher. he was found several hundred yards away, where no vehicle would go, just 3 minutes later.

how long does it take you to cover a couple hundred yards?

By the only eye-witness testimony, Zimmerman was returning to his vehicle.

you can stop right there.

that is the story george zimmerman tells, no eyewitness has stated this.

and the story that george zimmerman tells is completely full of holes, like his lie about the fight happening on the sidewalk when EVERY SINGLE EYEWITNESS saw the scuffle happen IN THE GRASS.

You are speculating and assuming by saying anything different here...

So stop being a total fucking hypocrite.

you are lying and getting your facts fucked up. go home.

 

[desert dude]

If you mean Florida Statutes 776.012 and .013, these have been discussed in this thread. If you mean something other, genuinely new ... I'd appreciate a link. cn

Wiki has Florida's SYG law in its entirety. 776.041, exception 2a covers this episode:

"
776.041 Use of force by aggressor. —The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-ground_law

 

[desert dude]

lol, supreme court magistrate?

any dumb-dumb with a GED like you can get that title.

You either need to put down the bong or expand on your comment. What you said makes no sense. Mr. Seedwell might understand it, but I don't.