"The Illusion of Control"

Zaehet Strife

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"It's a characteristic of the human mind to turn simplicity into subjective complexity and to construe difficulty from life where none exists. Today the archetypal question for philosophers is "why are we here?" Ask a human and a serious response will probably involve complex reasoning involving mystical deities or introspective analysis. But before we leave the final answer with humanity I think we need a second opinion.

Some 280 million years ago the first amphibians began life outside water. These Labryinthodonts named for their infolded tooth enamel typically had large triangular heads and wide, flat bodies that looked like giant road-kill without the tread marks. Tetrapods like these crawled around on land eating worms, maybe a few bugs but basically whatever they could catch and digest. Not much to look at or admire yet they gave rise to all other land vertebrates, reptiles, birds, and yes eventually even literate humans.


If we could ask the same of a Permian tetrapod what mysterious, and enlightening answers would they provide? Perhaps something like "I don't understand the question, I just want to avoid death."
Odd isn't it that they never had any goal or god, no soul or hope of an afterlife indeed they lacked any purpose beyond the brief struggle for life and yet millions of years later here we are reading this because of it, because they existed and evolved? We as humans exist in the same physical universe, subject to the same rules of physics and biology, the same need for sea-water salinity body fluid, the same protein and amino acids ... Decades of scientific inquiry and careful research all to reach the inescapable conclusion that the point is there is no point. The joke is on us because we turned the absurdly simple into the dangerously complex.

The answer to "why are we here?" is no different for human, Labryinthodont or jellyfish, because we live in the same world subject to the same physical limitations and end up in the same place after death. Well, some leave better fossils than others. Now we see why fear of death is such a natural instinct and why religion exerts so much concerted effort to contradict that instinct.
The human mind creates ethics, moral codes, rules to die by, excuses and justifications for the deepest epiphany and the most trivial event alike. Some even go so far as to hijack random events and misinterpret them as self-created, the psychological principle known as 'illusion of control'. Unfortunately the complexities of the human mind merely make it easier to believe in fantasy and entertain delusion. Such an effort to find greater significance where there really is none and this only leads to wayward guidance and specious justifications. Those concocted reasons are then used to justify what need not be justified like our continued existence except based upon lies, setting up everyone for the fall when the myth erodes. Everything would move onward quite smoothly without any human minds around to believe in God, Satan or any other fictions, it did before us and it will after. Instead the Nihilist is concerned with the things that matter whether anyone believes in them or not, and all the forces and factors that influence even the things that don't think.

Although evolution has no goal and our purpose may be just as elusive that doesn't void significance, it doesn't make action and consequence irrelevant, an important distinction too often confused within nihilism. Nihilism doesn't preclude significance or a naive refusal to extract lessons from history just as a lack of the traditional mystical goal does not necessitate futility. Extinction events, for example, are significant – after all, we wouldn't be here without them. The only cosmic justification supported by any tangible evidence is the impetus for continued existence, the self-justifying purpose of tautology. And truthfully demanding any further justification from most simply foments confusion and foolish behavior. Furthermore it's likely that anything beyond that basal maxim is just an artificial construction. So, nihilism is not an issue of existence so much as a series of questions regarding the value, if any, that those artificially constructed meanings have."
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I saw the picture and thought "chameleon". Then I looked at the feet and thought "not chameleon. Too primitive".
I looked at the head and thought "what modern creature looks so much like a labyrinthodont??" Then I began reading . Lol at myself. cn
 

Zaehet Strife

Well-Known Member
I saw the picture and thought "chameleon". Then I looked at the feet and thought "not chameleon. Too primitive".
I looked at the head and thought "what modern creature looks so much like a labyrinthodont??" Then I began reading . Lol at myself. cn
Hehehehehe!!!
 

Zaehet Strife

Well-Known Member
sun dies out we all die out , and its all been for nothing .
Pretty much how i see the significance of everything humans do, well, pretty much what everything on this planet does. It makes no difference, unless we find a way to populate another planet that can support life, we will all be gone... if we havent destroyed ourselves by then.

Theres this theory that says the reason we havent seen intelligent life anywhere in the universe, is because it is said that when an intelligent race begins to come out with technologies that far surpass anything from the past, eventually it is inevitable that the race will destroy itself before it has a chance to commit to intergalactic travel.

Wouldn't that suck if all intelligent races were destined to destroy themselves?
 

tyler.durden

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Pretty much how i see the significance of everything humans do, well, pretty much what everything on this planet does. It makes no difference, unless we find a way to populate another planet that can support life, we will all be gone... if we havent destroyed ourselves by then.

Theres this theory that says the reason we havent seen intelligent life anywhere in the universe, is because it is said that when an intelligent race begins to come out with technologies that far surpass anything from the past, eventually it is inevitable that the race will destroy itself before it has a chance to commit to intergalactic travel.

Wouldn't that suck if all intelligent races were destined to destroy themselves?
I have heard this concept referred to as the Nuclear-Decision Threshold. A civilization amasses technology to the point where they can either destroy themselves with it, or they can abandon their irrational ways and perhaps colonize other areas of space before their solar source dies. Throughout the cosmos, there are probably many races that have destroyed themselves with their technology, but I'm hoping that there are many that made it through. Here's to the hope that we are in the latter category ;)
 

Dislexicmidget2021

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If intelligent races were innevitably doomed to destroy themselves it would be a waste,The thought of such a paradigm existing is very surreal to the point it seems quite plausible yet epic.
 

Zaehet Strife

Well-Known Member
The sun neither goes up or down, we merely revolve around it, while rotating at the same time... the moon does the same thing, except earth is its sun.
 

eye exaggerate

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i know what you are trying to say there and i agree with the allegorical pretense you have...

however... with warmest regards...

the sun does no such thing... ;) the earth rotates period.

...well, thanks :lol: This is metaphor, as you know, so not much need to go into the rising price of tea in china.

...but, since we're here - the sun wobbles, so in the proper line of sight, it would go up or down :lol:
 

DoctorSmoke

Active Member
good education in illusion of control is do some bondage sex, dominant and submissive. seriously we allow ourselves to get fucked by the corporate dick or somebody in power at one point in our lives, or even on a daily basis. best to be top dog, own a company and never work for anyone else in ur life!
 
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