Fedral judge lol's at Obama Florida voter purge is legal

[desert dude]

how much does an ID cost in your state?

here, it is $56 for one that lasts 8 years. $26.50 for a replacement. if you need an ID to vote, and an ID costs money to obtain, that is an effective poll tax.

tell me about the constitutionality of poll taxes

In CA the cost of a driver's license is $35, I think.

Tell me about the constitutionality of non-citizens voting.

 

[Mindmelted]

No ID! No vote! To fucking bad!
It really is not that hard,fuck my none working piece of shit worthless brother has a photo id and he paid for it.
He is gay so i am sure he sucked a few dicks for it.
Not that hard to get $25 ID card,Stop fucking smoking cigs and buying booze.
As for getting there fucking walk or take a bus.

 

[rollinbud]

OMG you really are the f'ing stupid

 

[desert dude]

In Chicago in the sixties the Democratic machine routinely paid $5 for a vote. I am sure ACORN can come up with $35 to pay for an ID to "get out the vote".

 

[Mindmelted]

OMG you really are the f'ing stupid

Looking in the mirror again....

 

[UncleBuck]

In CA the cost of a driver's license is $35, I think.

so you propose a $35 poll tax to be able to vote? what happens if a citizen wishes to vote but doesn't feel they should have to pay $35 to do so?

 

[UncleBuck]

No ID! No vote! To fucking bad!
It really is not that hard,fuck my none working piece of shit worthless brother has a photo id and he paid for it.
He is gay so i am sure he sucked a few dicks for it.
Not that hard to get $25 ID card,Stop fucking smoking cigs and buying booze.
As for getting there fucking walk or take a bus.

i know the constitution means nothing to you, but can you please knock off the blatant bigotry? it is offensive to everyone here who does not share your bigoted views.

also, i know retarded illegal immigrant children with a better command of the english language than you.

 

[desert dude]

so you propose a $35 poll tax to be able to vote? what happens if a citizen wishes to vote but doesn't feel they should have to pay $35 to do so?

As I said earlier, I am sure ACORN will be happy to pay $35 for their vote.

 

[Pipe Dream]

passport. state ID is lost.



have my license number memorized.



internet does not require an ID, everyone knows me at the grocery store.



no bank accounts here.



asking for ID to vote when an ID costs money is a poll tax. those are illegal, unconstitutional even.

proof of residence should be sufficient.

I'm convinced you just like to argue. I have my license # memorized too. It's a good thing I got that license in the first place right? Oh you have a passport huh? You don't need an ID to acquire one of those? Poor people have IDs too, how you think they apply for welfare and other government services? You need an ID to apply for a job, so if you got no job, you better go get an ID. If you lost your ID man up and purchase a new one, it's not the republican's fault or an unusual request to be able to identify yourself. You know who doesn't have IDs? Illegal immigrants and 15 year olds.

 

[ChesusRice]

I'm convinced you just like to argue. I have my license # memorized too. It's a good thing I got that license in the first place right? Oh you have a passport huh? You don't need an ID to acquire one of those? Poor people have IDs too, how you think they apply for welfare and other government services? You need an ID to apply for a job, so if you got no job, you better go get an ID. If you lost your ID man up and purchase a new one, it's not the republican's fault or an unusual request to be able to identify yourself. You know who doesn't have IDs? Illegal immigrants and 15 year olds.

I got a better idea.
RFID chip implants. Everyone gets one and every citizen born here gets one

Welcome to 1984.

I dont carry a ID not even a drivers license, Not even when I drive. If the cops want to know who I am, They can look it up. And they have.

 

[desert dude]

I got a better idea.
RFID chip implants. Everyone gets one and every citizen born here gets one

Welcome to 1984.

I dont carry a ID not even a drivers license, Not even when I drive. If the cops want to know who I am, They can look it up. And they have.

Cool story, bro. Simple. Don't vote.

 

[canndo]

Can you point it out to me where in the Constitution it says you need an ID to vote?

That isn't how the Constitution works, it is a scafolding of laws, a framework and it instructs how it is to be fleshed out. Were there to be something specific about guaranteeing each vote and voter is to be specificly verified I would be left with no argument. Beyond that, our guaranteed "right to vote" is rather sketchy within the document anyway. No where does it offer a flat out "right" to vote but only a comparative understanding.

 

[ChesusRice]

Cool story, bro. Simple. Don't vote.

Dont need ID to vote where I am at either

And we got one of those fucked up Republican govenors

 

[canndo]

Yeah cause the video of a white guy saying he is Eric Holder, saying he don't have an ID making every excuse he can for them to question him and they're still willing to vote for him.......BUT WE HAVE NO PROOF PEOPLE!!!!..................retardedness is at such epic propotions I had to make a new word ............move along nothing else to see here, facts are futile...

Facts? I see this demand strewn around most political argument sites, where are these "facts" that are futile?

 

[canndo]

All anecdotal evidence and studies aside.

What is fundamentally wrong with a law that makes citizens prove, with an ID, that they are in fact who they say they are in order to vote?

Personally, I find nothing objectionable about this and I am a libertarian.

If ID requirements place undue burden on legitimate voters, if that burden is not equally weighted, if requiring ID solves no immediate or demonstrateable existant problem, then the laws are unreasonable. Simply because you have Id and it places no particular burden on you, does not mean that it does not do so on other classes of people.

 

[UncleBuck]

As I said earlier, I am sure ACORN will be happy to pay $35 for their vote.

still not ready to defend your unconstitutional poll tax, i see.

 

[canndo]

No, a poll tax is a tax collected at the polling place that allows you to vote. Showing identification to prove you are eligible to vote is not a poll tax. But you are welcome to trot out your racist cartoon collection to scare us all with the risen ghost of George Wallace to show us how racist we are and how saintly you are to make your point.

Voter Id laws are not necessarily racist but definitely classist. If there is a requirement that involves money in order to place one's vote it can be construed as a poll tax, it does not necessarily have to be collected at the polling place. Demanding money, for example, in order to register would be considered such a tax.

 

[UncleBuck]

Poor people have IDs too

they are more likely not to have one when compared to the rest of the population though.

You know who doesn't have IDs? Illegal immigrants and 15 year olds.

hogwash. illegal immigrants often have IDs. i dare you to state otherwise.

 

[nontheist]

I got a better idea.
RFID chip implants. Everyone gets one and every citizen born here gets one

Welcome to 1984.

I dont carry a ID not even a drivers license, Not even when I drive. If the cops want to know who I am, They can look it up. And they have.

Some of the shit you say just lol, like an unclebuck jr

 

[canndo]

I got a better idea.
RFID chip implants. Everyone gets one and every citizen born here gets one

Welcome to 1984.

I dont carry a ID not even a drivers license, Not even when I drive. If the cops want to know who I am, They can look it up. And they have.

Requiring ID on general principle has been found to be unconstitutional. These requirements stem from vagrancy laws where a person could be placed in jail if they had less than 5 dollars in their posession or they had no ID. The fundamental innocence until proven guilty is violated when a citizen is required to prove who he is or go to jail. Being that it is up to the state to prove a person's guilt makes it incumbent upon that state to go through other means to verify a person's identity. An American citizen need prove nothing. Now this does not apply to drivers who are required to demonstrate upon demand that they have the documented ability to operate a motor vehicle.

Now my argument that requring Id in order to vote is wrong flies in the face of another fundamental right, that is the right to own a fire arm. one must prove who one is in order to purchase a firearm, the requirement to prove who one is in order to carry one is, in my opinion unconstitutional