Which is better hid or led?

[hyroot]

How about adding spectrum and par to the debate. We all know led and par t5 produce 80% more usable light than hid. the ass backwards spectrum of hid lights up a room more than it does anything for a plant. Plants only absorb 5% to 10% sometimes 20% (cmh, hortilux blue mh) of hid. The point of led is to produce light as close as possible to what the sun puts out and what plants actually absorb. Chlorophyll a and b absorb.

 

[wyteberrywidow]

How about adding spectrum and par to the debate. We all know led and par t5 produce 80% more usable light than hid. the ass backwards spectrum of hid lights up a room more than it does anything for a plant. Plants only absorb 5% to 10% sometimes 20% (cmh, hortilux blue mh) of hid.

And with that little bit of usable light you can still grow heavy ass buds.. Like I stated before LEDs are cool and all but too expensive for what they can do.. You pay 5x more for a led light to do the same thing a 200 dollar light can do?
Like let's be realistic here.. I have yet to see a sea of green done with led lights where they can produce a pound every two weeks,3 weeks or even a month. I wonder why If led is SO MUCH better than hid?
Why do people who started with LEDs switched to hps and said they will use led just for veg?
it obvious for that price they shouldn't be lackin anything but yet they do. And then the claims omg. A 200+ true wattage produce the same as a 600 hps lmao.. I've seen a pound and a half grown from 1x600 on a mover show me a led grow with 1 light comparable to a 600 producing nearly a pound and a half.

 

[wyteberrywidow]

I had been growing with Mh/hps for years with success. There was no immediate reason to change what I was doing. I like to try new things and push limits. So I figured why not learn something new.

Believe me led growing is new and exciting and challenging. Is it better than hid? Just like everything else in this hobbie, mileage WILL vary. Just like digital ballast quality varies, led units do too. You need a quality led unit. Buying one requires research...that scares people easily.

I have success with leds for veg and I use them with an hps for flower. I used to have two hps units in my flower tent. Now I only have one. I replaced my other 400w mh with 263 true watts of led split between two units. I can't see myself using hps/mh alone ever again. I can see myself going pure led though.

I relaize leds are pricey and that there are some shitty products out there. I also know that everyone has a different budget. My budget allows for em and I can grow good bud with em. Not everyone can afford that upfront cost. Some don't want to spend money on the upfront cost...fine. Some people dont want to push their boundries and expand horizions....fine.

Wanna know if 1000w (actual draw) is better than 1000w of hps For your grow? Do some research and buy quality units. Then you will know for yourself what growers like foreverflyhi, Enduro, myself and countless others in the led forum know. THEY WORK!!!

There is a reason we have a forum dedicated to the topic...there are countless threads in the forum documenting some quality cannabis grown strictly under led.

I never said they did not work.. I just feel bid would be a better option if you are in a space bigger than a2x2 closet.

 

[hyroot]

Depends what led and where you get them I paid $358 for an apollo 8 270 true watts. 120 x 3 w custom spectrum. Each diode is driven at 2.3 watts..Its not here yet so I cant say anything on it. My par t5 cost me $400 and out performs a 1000 watt and runs 432 watts. At most I ever got off my 1000 w was 0.6 gpw. I get 0.8 off my t5. Now led has much better penetration than t5. Led like hid is a single point of light. T5 is linear. (Inverse square law).. So I expect to get at least 1.5 gpw from led. I plan on buying 2 apollo 10's 357 true watts, 150 x 3w. Thats $450 each. Prices include shipping from china to.west coast. The comparison problem here is most led users are doing small grows. few are doing large grows. I did the math on my electric use. If I replace my 1000 w with 550 watts of led. My 1000w ( quantum/ hortilux) is 8.6 amps on 120 and 4.3 amps on 240. On 120 it pulls 1068 watts and 36 watts less on. 240. I run 120 here. Including a/c 16 amps I use and will be using less. I will go from 1850 kwh to about 1480 kwh per month. (thats my whole house hold) A drop of $100 on my electric. so that will pay for itself in just afew months.

 

[El Superbeasto]

As much of an LED naysayer you are, you must have tried LEDs in bigger than a 2x2 area to have that kind of a "matter of a fact" attitude about the subject.

I'm using 465w of LED in a 4x4, and I'm quite content. My LED, tent, DIY hydro system all cost me less than $1000.

You are entitled to your opinion. Even though it's wrong.

Have you even used LEDs before?

I never said they did not work.. I just feel bid would be a better option if you are in a space bigger than a2x2 closet.

 

[wyteberrywidow]

Depends what led and where you get them I paid $358 for an apollo 8 270 true watts. 120 x 3 w custom spectrum. Each diode is driven at 2.3 watts..Its not here yet so I cant say anything on it. My par t5 cost me $400 and out performs a 1000 watt and runs 432 watts. At most I ever got off my 1000 w was 0.6 gpw. I get 0.8 off my t5. Now led has much better penetration than t5. Led like hid is a single point of light. T5 is linear. (Inverse square law).. So I expect to get at least 1.5 gpw from led. I plan on buying 2 apollo 10's 357 true watts, 150 x 3w. Thats $450 each. Prices include shipping from china to.west coast. The comparison problem here is most led users are doing small grows. few are doing large grows. I did the math on my electric use. If I replace my 1000 w with 550 watts of led. My 1000w ( quantum/ hortilux) is 8.6 amps on 120 and 4.3 amps on 240. On 120 it pulls 1068 watts and 36 watts less on. 240. I run 120 here. Including a/c 16 amps I use and will be using less. I will go from 1850 kwh to about 1480 kwh per month. (thats my whole house hold) A drop of $100 on my electric. so that will pay for itself in just afew months.

So u are telling me that you yield more off a 432 watt t5 then a 1000 watt hps man something is territ wrong with that.

As much of an LED naysayer you are, you must have tried LEDs in bigger than a 2x2 area to have that kind of a "matter of a fact" attitude about the subject.

I'm using 465w of LED in a 4x4, and I'm quite content. My LED, tent, DIY hydro system all cost me less than $1000.

You are entitled to your opinion. Even though it's wrong.

Have you even used LEDs before?

How is my opinion wrong?
No I have not used LEDs after calling 3 different led companies and hearing the same thing" if you want to replace your 2x600 in a 8x8 area you are going to need to spend thousands of dollars to even compare" now that sounds like the people who are selling the LEDs don't think that's smart.. The 3 companies are blackstar,htg supply and hydro huts pro grow series. All 3 companies said the same thing as if I called 3 different numbers to speak tithe same person.

So if I'm wrong can you show me where a led light produced a pound and a half? Can you show me a sea of green grow with led?

 

[skunkd0c]

Led's have got a lot better over time with big improvements recently
it is possible to grow very nice plants with them
leds do produce less heat, they are well suited to smaller growers who dont mind spending lots of money on newer technology

leds cost a great deal more than HID's .. there is no evidence to suggest leds produce bud that is any better than Hids , there are many grows on RIU to look at
by led growers and hid growers
i very much doubt you will find a plant grown with any kind of led, that can produce colas with the size weight and density that a hid can produce
leds have come a long way, but they still have MILES to go yet before they come close to a hid
and they need to come down in price a huge amount
sometimes i think it can be a mistake to rush into the new technology too soon, in time im sure leds will be much better

 

[wyteberrywidow]

Yeah miles to go!!!

 

[El Superbeasto]

So because you contact the 3 crappiest LED sellers, that means ALL LEDs are inferior to HID, and no good unless it is 2x2 or smaller? What about 25"x25"? Or is that too big for LED

I bought a $600 light from Fero last year, it was 360w, and I got just over 10oz from it. I had an Hydrogrow LED before that and got similar results with similar wattage, but cost almost 3 times as much. My newest light I am coming pretty close to 1LB off 4 plants in the 4x4, it is 465w, and cost less than $800 for just the light.

Can I show you a sea of green? Can I show you a light that can produce a pound and a half? Yes I can, but your fingers aren't broken, Google that shit dude, are you that fucking lazy you're just gonna say LEDs only work in a 2x2 or smaller, NO 1st HAND experience yourself, but not use Google to find anything yourself?

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=sea+of+green+LED+grow+&oq=sea+of+green+LED+grow+&gs_l=serp.12..0j0i30j0i8i30.6568.7162.0.8154.3.3.0.0.0.0.119.291.2j1.3.0...0.0.O9Pz2IXIZ9s&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=a2e370afc0354df8&biw=1366&bih=679&ion=1

Was that so hard?

I wonder if I was a mod in the HID section, and went on a HID naysaying rant like you are, what would the HID people say? They'd throw a fit.

I have a question, what are you gaining by repeatedly telling people LEDs are only good for 2x2 or smaller? How are people growing with LEDs effect you? Why are you constantly repeating yourself? We heard you, we know YOU believe LEDs are no good in more than 2x2, we get it.

Broken record much?

How about you use what light YOU are happy with, and let others use what light THEY are happy with? Your opinion is not definitive.

So u are telling me that you yield more off a 432 watt t5 then a 1000 watt hps man something is territ wrong with that.

How is my opinion wrong?
No I have not used LEDs after calling 3 different led companies and hearing the same thing" if you want to replace your 2x600 in a 8x8 area you are going to need to spend thousands of dollars to even compare" now that sounds like the people who are selling the LEDs don't think that's smart.. The 3 companies are blackstar,htg supply and hydro huts pro grow series. All 3 companies said the same thing as if I called 3 different numbers to speak tithe same person.

So if I'm wrong can you show me where a led light produced a pound and a half? Can you show me a sea of green grow with led?

 

[wyteberrywidow]

So because you contact the 3 crappiest LED sellers, that means ALL LEDs are inferior to HID, and no good unless it is 2x2 or smaller? What about 25"x25"? Or is that too big for LED

I bought a $600 light from Fero last year, it was 360w, and I got just over 10oz from it. I had an Hydrogrow LED before that and got similar results with similar wattage, but cost almost 3 times as much. My newest light I am coming pretty close to 1LB off 4 plants in the 4x4, it is 465w, and cost less than $800 for just the light.

Can I show you a sea of green? Can I show you a light that can produce a pound and a half? Yes I can, but your fingers aren't broken, Google that shit dude, are you that fucking lazy you're just gonna say LEDs only work in a 2x2 or smaller, NO 1st HAND experience yourself, but not use Google to find anything yourself?

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=sea+of+green+LED+grow+&oq=sea+of+green+LED+grow+&gs_l=serp.12..0j0i30j0i8i30.6568.7162.0.8154.3.3.0.0.0.0.119.291.2j1.3.0...0.0.O9Pz2IXIZ9s&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=a2e370afc0354df8&biw=1366&bih=679&ion=1

Was that so hard?

I wonder if I was a mod in the HID section, and went on a HID naysaying rant like you are, what would the HID people say? They'd throw a fit.

I have a question, what are you gaining by repeatedly telling people LEDs are only good for 2x2 or smaller? How are people growing with LEDs effect you? Why are you constantly repeating yourself? We heard you, we know YOU believe LEDs are no good in more than 2x2, we get it.

Broken record much?
O
How about you use what light YOU are happy with, and let others use what light THEY are happy with? Your opinion is not definitive.

your link shows nothing of led growing a pound+, it also doesn't show me anything about harvesting pounds every 2 sees Nd so on like I asked. You cannot find it because it did not happen yet.

I said that already people use what works best for them but ten u have some people come in here saying led are better because this and that.

I don't see led producing pounds at all and if I did I guaranteed it would be 1000 dolars more than a hid system doing the same for instance look at what u say!

 

[El Superbeasto]

Whatever you say dude... You seem to have your mind made up, and too closed minded to talk to.

So, have a nice day

your link shows nothing of led growing a pound+, it also doesn't show me anything about harvesting pounds every 2 sees Nd so on like I asked. You cannot find it because it did not happen yet.

I said that already people use what works best for them but ten u have some people come in here saying led are better because this and that.

I don't see led producing pounds at all and if I did I guaranteed it would be 1000 dolars more than a hid system doing the same for instance look at what u say!

 

[skunkd0c]

So because you contact the 3 crappiest LED sellers, that means ALL LEDs are inferior to HID, and no good unless it is 2x2 or smaller? What about 25"x25"? Or is that too big for LED

I bought a $600 light from Fero last year, it was 360w, and I got just over 10oz from it. I had an Hydrogrow LED before that and got similar results with similar wattage, but cost almost 3 times as much. My newest light I am coming pretty close to 1LB off 4 plants in the 4x4, it is 465w, and cost less than $800 for just the light.

Can I show you a sea of green? Can I show you a light that can produce a pound and a half? Yes I can, but your fingers aren't broken, Google that shit dude, are you that fucking lazy you're just gonna say LEDs only work in a 2x2 or smaller, NO 1st HAND experience yourself, but not use Google to find anything yourself?

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&safe=off&sclient=psy-ab&q=sea+of+green+LED+grow+&oq=sea+of+green+LED+grow+&gs_l=serp.12..0j0i30j0i8i30.6568.7162.0.8154.3.3.0.0.0.0.119.291.2j1.3.0...0.0.O9Pz2IXIZ9s&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=a2e370afc0354df8&biw=1366&bih=679&ion=1

Was that so hard?

I wonder if I was a mod in the HID section, and went on a HID naysaying rant like you are, what would the HID people say? They'd throw a fit.

I have a question, what are you gaining by repeatedly telling people LEDs are only good for 2x2 or smaller? How are people growing with LEDs effect you? Why are you constantly repeating yourself? We heard you, we know YOU believe LEDs are no good in more than 2x2, we get it.

Broken record much?

How about you use what light YOU are happy with, and let others use what light THEY are happy with? Your opinion is not definitive.

LOL $600 , are you serious ???
for that much money i could buy 6 x 600w hps and easy yield over 3kg .. 100 oz
and you can yield 16 oz lol ... ok i think that is pretty straight forward

 

[wyteberrywidow]

Do you want me to show you where in your link the led grower is saying hps is better




LED Growshow. Dry weight is 52 grams, not bad at all. But I still need more to really beat HPS.

My first grow ever indoors was with a 150 hps and yielded 90 grams and this dude here is yielding 52 grams off a system that's comparable to a 400.. Yeah okay.....

 

[wyteberrywidow]

LOL $600 , are you serious ???
for that much money i could buy 6 x 600w hps and easy yield over 3kg .. 100 oz
and you can yield 16 oz lol ... ok i think that is pretty straight forward

Lmmfao my point exactly.

 

[Eraserhead]

These LED vs. HID threads are funny. Can't everyone just use whatever they're happy with? Why does it have to be an argument? Internet arguing at that... If some of you spent as much time trying to prove others wrong on the internet, on more time growing and honing in your skills, you'd be able to do more with less.

 

[skunkd0c]

These LED vs. HID threads are funny. Can't everyone just use whatever they're happy with? Why does it have to be an argument? Internet arguing at that... If some of you spent as much time trying to prove others wrong on the internet, on more time growing and honing in your skills, you'd be able to do more with less.

i do not see any argument, just a friendly debate
why are you getting on your high horse anyway ?

 

[wyteberrywidow]

Yeah it's just when people go spouting stuff with no proof is when sparks fly.
Like the fact that led growers say led lights are better.. To each is own and do whatever u want and have fun ding so just don't go saying b.s..

 

[patrikantonius]

This thread is making me sick. If you guys don't like LEDs why don't you just keep growing your shit with HIDs? Do you really feel the need to come here to say all your hate towards LEDs?

btw, the "LED Growshow" you mentioned grew the 52 grams with 60 watts. He tried again a bit after and harversted 90 grams with similar power. Your 150w HPS with a magnetic ballast pulls 200w+ off the socket, 90 grms that's 0.45 gpw. The man did 1.5 gpw with LEDs.
If you want to save energy or don't want hustle with heat in small cabs, LEDs all the way. Of course for the same buying price you can grow five times better buds with HIDs but on the long run or if you actually care a bit about your electrical bill, LEDs win all the way. A good LED panel can easily replace a HID that has twice the watts.

 

[Eraserhead]

It's a 4 year old debate with no end as of yet.

High horse? I'm not sure what kind of reaction you're looking for out of me, I'm not going to argue with you or tell you you're on any horses.

i do not see any argument, just a friendly debate
why are you getting on your high horse anyway ?

 

[hyroot]

Yes and no yield t5 vs hid. I get more grams per watt on my t5. Im using aquarium bulbs producing similar spectrum and par to led. But the 1000w covers 4x4 and the t5 covers 2x4. I do gett bigger and frostier buds under the t5. 2 8 bulbs will cover same area as a 1000w and still run more than 200 watts less and yield more.

Watts and lumens are irrelavant. Its about spectrum like I said before. Lumens by defintion is a way of measuring visible light to the human eye. Plants absorbs different wave lengths that. We see. I did a side by side comparison for over a year. The t5 either matched yield per area or exceeded compare to a 1000 watt.


You can debate all you want but no matter what you are wrong. Tons of people on riu proved it works. Scientists, horticulturist, and botanists and ed rosenthal at nasa and several universities have proved it . Universities- university of maryland. university of missouri, university of alabama, washington state, , texas a&m, oxford university, cal state fullerton.

Now the logic of some stoner vs all these scientists. I think I will listen to the scientists.