Thought crimes?

ginwilly

ginwilly

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If David Duke came on this forum stating we've got to stop this white on white crime. Us whites need to realize we are in this together and stealing from each other and killing from each other is counter productive to our goals. If in the next breath he pushed for laws making it worse for a black man to kill a white man he'd be rightfully vilified for being the racist he is.

It's not rocket surgery. We are ALL equal and should be treated as such.
 
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ChesusRice

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Hate crimes can be prosecuted for any race perpetrator
I wonder how many people know this
Seems like a whole lot of people miss this point
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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ginwilly said:
it wasn't ways to spin a story for the jury, it was three distinctly different acts. I asked if each should be punished according to why they killed me, or should they be equal under the law because each was a pre-meditated vicious murder. I'm thinking you do but I'm hoping you are starting to realize how wrong that is. If not I'm trying to figure out why. I don't understand the Al Sharpton mentality but I would like to.
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welli would have to say yes, the guy that murders some one and rapes the stab hole, is probably going to get more time . . . is it a hate crime no, it was a love crime . . . . lol .. . but its not so simple as to make a generalization that can fit all criteria its really is case to case . . .and more often then not it is very apparent if someone is a bigot and if there crime was influnced by there, bigotry
 
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InCognition

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ChesusRice said:
wow all you guys are afraid you will get extra time for lymching a black guy

what it seems like

fact is

blacks can be prosecuted for hate crimes as well

but your all worried about what the law may do to you becuase you burned a cross wore a hood and hung up a black dude in a tree
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No... just no.
 
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InCognition

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ChesusRice said:
I got an Idea

Why punish anyone for terrorism

Those are "thought" crimes as well

The 9/11 plotters shouldn't be prosecuted for any terrorist actions
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A terroristic thought of violence is essentially conspiracy to commit violence. Race really should have no legal bearing in relation to violent acts. Violence is violence, regardless of race.

Even if a radical Muslim terrorist kills a white Christian because of their race, it's homocide first and foremost, and that's all. Religion and race should have absolutely no bearing in the court of law. Unfortunately religion and race does have a bearing in court, because human beings are mentally sick-fuck, egotistical, animals, that conduct themselves with a tribal mentality... even in the court of law.
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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i agree it is not an ethical way to solely judge someones crimes, you cant control and shouldn't control the way people think or feel, but i do feel a crimes intent and motives should be reflected in the punishment . . .. not necessarily a crime in it self. . . . .
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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if we followed the train of thought that the anti-hate crimers follow, there would be no difference between murder 2 and murder 1.

after all, murder 1 is premeditated (just thoughts) while murder 2 is not.

so i encourage all the anti-hate crimers to start arguing that premeditated murder should be tried just the same as non-premeditated murder.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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Samwell Seed Well said:
i agree it is not an ethical way to solely judge someones crimes, you cant control and shouldn't control the way people think or feel, but i do feel a crimes intent and motives should be reflected in the punishment . . .. not necessarily a crime in it self. . . . .
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we agree on this

If I killed someone because they broke into my house vs killing someone in cold blood. I see nothing productive though in breaking down what my thought process was when I committed cold blooded murder. Except for maybe an insanity plea.
 
ginwilly

ginwilly

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UncleBuck said:
if we followed the train of thought that the anti-hate crimers follow, there would be no difference between murder 2 and murder 1.

after all, murder 1 is premeditated (just thoughts) while murder 2 is not.

so i encourage all the anti-hate crimers to start arguing that premeditated murder should be tried just the same as non-premeditated murder.
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this is just flat out wrong.

murder 1 should carry the same wt if I were killed based on skin color or based on shoe size. I have yet to see anyone in this thread argue what you stated, how did you make that leap? I may have missed something.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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ChesusRice said:
Hate crimes can be prosecuted for any race perpetrator
I wonder how many people know this
Seems like a whole lot of people miss this point
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Which further validates the post previous to yours that ginwilly made. . It's just as "racist" to be David Duke as it is to be Al Sharpton. Equal rights for all, special rights for none, not white people, not black people, not gays, not straights, not cops.
 
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ChesusRice

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Rob Roy said:
Which further validates the post previous to yours that ginwilly made. . It's just as "racist" to be David Duke as it is to be Al Sharpton. Equal rights for all, special rights for none, not white people, not black people, not gays, not straights, not cops.
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What special rights do hate crime laws confer upon anyone?
Please list them
 
Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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UncleBuck said:
reputation is simply what others think of you. it means nothing.

character, which is what they focus on at trial, is everything.
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Actually, what you implied was that reputation is nothing as long as you think you have character. How will anybody else know if you have character or not unless you have a reputation to show that. If YOU are the only one who thinks you have character, that's just conceit.
Your reputation here reveals much about you but none of it is positive.
Now, back to hate crimes. A person's reputation will be examined and brought out in court to prove a hate crime. Right or wrong, the testimony about his reputation will play a large part in his conviction or acquittal.
 
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ChesusRice

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Mr Neutron said:
Actually, what you implied was that reputation is nothing as long as you think you have character. How will anybody else know if you have character or not unless you have a reputation to show that. If YOU are the only one who thinks you have character, that's just conceit.
Your reputation here reveals much about you but none of it is positive.
Now, back to hate crimes. A person's reputation will be examined and brought out in court to prove a hate crime. Right or wrong, the testimony about his reputation will play a large part in his conviction or acquittal.
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The guy had a reputation for calling black people racial slurs your honor
and it can be also shown that the defendant would show up in the parking lots of gay bars and harass customers
 
Mr Neutron

Mr Neutron

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UncleBuck said:
if we followed the train of thought that the anti-hate crimers follow, there would be no difference between murder 2 and murder 1.

after all, murder 1 is premeditated (just thoughts) while murder 2 is not.

so i encourage all the anti-hate crimers to start arguing that premeditated murder should be tried just the same as non-premeditated murder.
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If we followed the train of thought of the pro haters, if you murder a racist, you get no billed and maybe they'll throw you a parade.
 
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