Time To Get Rid of Concealed Carry Bans?

[ChesusRice]

quite a corner you've backed yourself into now isn't it. You have to decide if you want people to think you are a liar or a necrophiliac mutilating scumbag who disrespects families wishes and decency laws.

What am i supposed to give a narc like you more personal information?
Like where i worked?
Gee officer I dont think so
Anyways
Who else you got a profile on on this site?

 

[Rob Roy]

I don't think you are getting my point (everyone is against violence aren't they?). What I am saying is that the "natural right of self defense" when coupled with a right to keep and bear comes at a high price - the cost is innocent people's lives. I am willing to pay that price but I am unwilling to claim that it is anything other than reality. I am not blinded by some notion that guns are "good" or that the resulting payment is "bad". Rights cost lives. Government's kill people certainly, but in this society, your "right" to carry does not reduce the rate at which governments kill.

No sir, responsibility isi not a "price" or a "cost". lives lost is the true cost of our right to keep and bear. One can attempt to slice it differently but the fact remains. Were there no right to keep and bear in this country there would be far fewer gun deaths. At issue is truely, what is an acceptable price for that right?

I don't see why my analogy regarding killing children has anything to do with a herd mentality. If we are to insist upon our right to do as we please with our bodies then that as well comes at a cost. The parties may tout it as being something different but as with the guns, the truth is that children die as a result of that particular right and we say that is an acceptable though lamentable price.

Rights don't come from government, although they are restricted or stolen by government. If the government made it illegal to defend yourself the right would still exist.

So you never answered my question....How will you take away guns to ensure nonviolence? Will you use guns and violence ?

 

[MuyLocoNC]

What am i supposed to give a narc like you more personal information?
Like where i worked?
Gee officer I dont think so
Anyways
Who else you got a profile on on this site?

I wouldn't do it dukey. I do have a question for you though.

Just a few days ago you were claiming a different work background and now you are talking about your experience in this profession. That's quite a resume for a guy that about a year ago was booted off RIU for being underage. A teenager if I remember correctly, yup, quite a resume. And a black wife, we mustn't forget that tidbit.

 

[canndo]

Rights don't come from government, although they are restricted or stolen by government. If the government made it illegal to defend yourself the right would still exist.

So you never answered my question....How will you take away guns to ensure nonviolence? Will you use guns and violence ?

"rights don't come from our government" - where did I say they did? However this is the simplest definition of rights. Rights reside at the interface between government and individuals. If there is no such interface rights aren't really needed. The only real right you posess is the right to due process, and that right makes no sense except when it involves government.

I like to answer people's questions but I really don't understand yours. How will I take guns away? likely I would track every registered weapon and place a small penalty compounded monthly on anyone who has not turned in their weapons. For those who's weapons are not registered, I would make a severe penalty and exclude them from normal lawful protections. Any use of a firearm for any reason would have a minimum sentence of 3 to 5 years. All search warrents would include firearms.

Will I use guns and violence to take guns away? No.

 

[Rob Roy]

"rights don't come from our government" - where did I say they did? However this is the simplest definition of rights. Rights reside at the interface between government and individuals. If there is no such interface rights aren't really needed. The only real right you posess is the right to due process, and that right makes no sense except when it involves government.

I like to answer people's questions but I really don't understand yours. How will I take guns away? likely I would track every registered weapon and place a small penalty compounded monthly on anyone who has not turned in their weapons. For those who's weapons are not registered, I would make a severe penalty and exclude them from normal lawful protections. Any use of a firearm for any reason would have a minimum sentence of 3 to 5 years. All search warrents would include firearms.

Will I use guns and violence to take guns away? No.

Okay. Let's say I have no intention of harming anybody and don't initiate aggression, but also refuse to comply with the government demand to disarm. You'll leave me alone right? Won't use government guns or violence against me?

 

[deprave]

Governments themselves operate on coercion and violence, I feel they should be held accountable and to the same standards as everyone else, otherwise they are just kind of like the mafia. I don't think that human ownership nor violence is ever justified or that it can ever "work" because its morally wrong.

I think the last 25,000+ years agree with me.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

I like to answer people's questions but I really don't understand yours. How will I take guns away? likely I would track every registered weapon and place a small penalty compounded monthly on anyone who has not turned in their weapons. For those who's weapons are not registered, I would make a severe penalty and exclude them from normal lawful protections. Any use of a firearm for any reason would have a minimum sentence of 3 to 5 years. All search warrents would include firearms.

Will I use guns and violence to take guns away? No.

Over the two years following England's ban, the use of handguns in crimes rose by 40 percent. Why? The study's authors found that "existing laws are targeting legitimate users...rather than criminals"

Over a decade later, the results are in: the ban is a disaster. From 1998 through 2005, the number of deaths and injuries from handguns skyrocketed 340 percent.

Criminals don't really give a shit about gun laws. That fact is fairly well documented. Disarming the public only leaves them at the mercy of evil men who intend harm.

I was listening to Jason Lewis, my new GUY on the radio. He had an interesting point. A large majority of the recent mass shooting sprees, here and abroad, have been happening in supposedly "gun free" zones, cities, states and countries. Why isn't that talked about by the MSM? It's certainly worthy of a conversation, at the least.

 

[ChesusRice]

I wouldn't do it dukey. I do have a question for you though.

Just a few days ago you were claiming a different work background and now you are talking about your experience in this profession. That's quite a resume for a guy that about a year ago was booted off RIU for being underage. A teenager if I remember correctly, yup, quite a resume. And a black wife, we mustn't forget that tidbit.

What different background?
Ive been a framer a roofer a phlebotomist a carpet layer a sider, window installer and for the majority of my life a CNC machinist

You think i am 16? really?

Here is a question for you since beenthere doesnt want to answer it

You have also use the term "community organizer" as a derisive word in describing Obama

here is the question

What is bad about being a community organizer?

Oh and please provide a quote and a link on the black wife maybe all non whites look the same to you
But my wife isnt black.

 

[deprave]

Oh and please provide a quote and a link on the black wife maybe all non whites look the same to you
But my wife isnt black.

Impossible because it was deleted, I remember you saying that also

 

[ChesusRice]

Impossible because it was deleted, I remember you saying that also

Impossible because it was deleted

Please

Nothing wrong with dating black chicks
Never married one though

 

[lifegoesonbrah]

Criminals don't really give a shit about gun laws. That fact is fairly well documented. Disarming the public only leaves them at the mercy of evil men who intend harm.

I was listening to Jason Lewis, my new GUY on the radio. He had an interesting point. A large majority of the recent mass shooting sprees, here and abroad, have been happening in supposedly "gun free" zones, cities, states and countries. Why isn't that talked about by the MSM? It's certainly worthy of a conversation, at the least.

If people want to get away with shootings they do not want to buy guns legally because it is documented and regulated. if you make guns illegal all guns will be purchased illegally and there will be no accountability.

 

[deprave]

Impossible because it was deleted

Please

Nothing wrong with dating black chicks
Never married one though

....then you lied...

 

[canndo]

Okay. Let's say I have no intention of harming anybody and don't initiate aggression, but also refuse to comply with the government demand to disarm. You'll leave me alone right? Won't use government guns or violence against me?

No I would not leave you alone. As I said, if I could trace guns to you I would fine you say, 5 dollars a day for every day you didn't surrender your firearm. interest and penalties would accrue and the IRS would be involved in collections, your wages would be garnished, a lien would be placed on your house, your credit would be destroyed. The IRS doesn't normaly use force.

 

[MuyLocoNC]

What different background?
Ive been a framer a roofer a phlebotomist a carpet layer a sider, window installer and for the majority of my life a CNC machinist

You think i am 16? really?

Here is a question for you since beenthere doesnt want to answer it

You have also use the term "community organizer" as a derisive word in describing Obama

here is the question

What is bad about being a community organizer?

Oh and please provide a quote and a link on the black wife maybe all non whites look the same to you
But my wife isnt black.

Again, that's quite a resume for a guy that was kicked off this site for being underage just a year ago. And back in the day under your old moniker, during several exchanges where you (to no one's surprise) were race baiting, spoke with authority because of your black wife. Now, just as before, you adopt whatever career gives you some self-perceived authority on the subject at hand. Some things NEVER change Dukey.

 

[ginwilly]

What is bad about being a community organizer?

seems pretty damn noble if you ask me, not bad. Somebody who devotes their time and energy to helping others raise their status in life. That's pretty cool to me.

The "bad" part about it, if you can really call it that an organizer must beg for money from someone else. It's like a charity only you go to the government for money. Once you become part of that government, yet still don't know how to raise money, you are left floundering and trying to figure out who to take from and still get re-elected. Those people need to pay more, those people being people who won't vote for me. Nearly all solutions to a community organizers problems involves other people's property (get down with OPP).

It's not really ideal experience to understand anything at all about economic principals or how the private sector operates.

Ideally the private sector is what props up an economy by providing jobs, goods and services that the general populations needs, wants, or even thinks they want. It's purpose is not to feed the government so they can provide instead. If a government cannibalizes the private sector you are left with Russia or North Korea. Fortunately we are large enough and strong enough that it would take generations for the US to reach those lows but we are trending in this direction.

Do I think a community organizer understands this? How could he unless he's actually been a producer and felt the effects of government cannibalism?

 

[ChesusRice]

....then you lied...

no I didnt
Never said I married a black girl
Sorry
Now get the fuck bent

 

[canndo]

Governments themselves operate on coercion and violence, I feel they should be held accountable and to the same standards as everyone else, otherwise they are just kind of like the mafia. I don't think that human ownership nor violence is ever justified or that it can ever "work" because its morally wrong.

I think the last 25,000+ years agree with me.

that governments use cohersion and violence? certainly, now how does your personal weapon change that dynamic?

 

[ChesusRice]

seems pretty damn noble if you ask me, not bad. Somebody who devotes their time and energy to helping others raise their status in life. That's pretty cool to me.

The "bad" part about it, if you can really call it that an organizer must beg for money from someone else. It's like a charity only you go to the government for money. Once you become part of that government, yet still don't know how to raise money, you are left floundering and trying to figure out who to take from and still get re-elected. Those people need to pay more, those people being people who won't vote for me. Nearly all solutions to a community organizers problems involves other people's property (get down with OPP).

It's not really ideal experience to understand anything at all about economic principals or how the private sector operates.

Ideally the private sector is what props up an economy by providing jobs, goods and services that the general populations needs, wants, or even thinks they want. It's purpose is not to feed the government so they can provide instead. If a government cannibalizes the private sector you are left with Russia or North Korea. Fortunately we are large enough and strong enough that it would take generations for the US to reach those lows but we are trending in this direction.

Do I think a community organizer understands this? How could he unless he's actually been a producer and felt the effects of government cannibalism?

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So you mean someone who advocates for those who are less fortunate
Someone who goes and finds the resources to fix a problem
A guy who helped out countless people in the inner city have a voice in our society

That guy doesnt have what it takes to be president?

 

[ginwilly]

No I would not leave you alone. As I said, if I could trace guns to you I would fine you say, 5 dollars a day for every day you didn't surrender your firearm. interest and penalties would accrue and the IRS would be involved in collections, your wages would be garnished, a lien would be placed on your house, your credit would be destroyed. The IRS doesn't normaly use force.

And fill up prisons with even more victimless crimes? no thank you.

I wish the concept of handguns were never invented but I understand why they were. Protection against others who we were no match for physically. It was designed to level the playing field (which can never really happen), and yes, make money.

I'm cool with carry, conceal makes me nervous but prohibition throughout history has been pretty consistent with it's outcome.

 

[canndo]

seems pretty damn noble if you ask me, not bad. Somebody who devotes their time and energy to helping others raise their status in life. That's pretty cool to me.

The "bad" part about it, if you can really call it that an organizer must beg for money from someone else. It's like a charity only you go to the government for money. Once you become part of that government, yet still don't know how to raise money, you are left floundering and trying to figure out who to take from and still get re-elected. Those people need to pay more, those people being people who won't vote for me. Nearly all solutions to a community organizers problems involves other people's property (get down with OPP).

It's not really ideal experience to understand anything at all about economic principals or how the private sector operates.

Ideally the private sector is what props up an economy by providing jobs, goods and services that the general populations needs, wants, or even thinks they want. It's purpose is not to feed the government so they can provide instead. If a government cannibalizes the private sector you are left with Russia or North Korea. Fortunately we are large enough and strong enough that it would take generations for the US to reach those lows but we are trending in this direction.

Do I think a community organizer understands this? How could he unless he's actually been a producer and felt the effects of government cannibalism?

so no one can understand 'the real world" unless they have been a "producer" and they had to have "produced" certain things in a certain way in order for them to pass your tests and have the capability of understanding?

Romeny could be called a "producer" by your definition? Yet he has had little experience in "producing" order. Governments are usually in charge of such order and many times that order is "produced" by organizing, persuading, bargaining or compromising - by leading. Certainly Romney had to have led, but he led by hard power. He himself claims he loved firing people. The best leaders do not depend upon the structure in which they lead but upon their abilities alone. so many seem to scoff at the community organizer but Martin Luther King changed the country through his community organizational skills. By your definition of "product" MLK "produced" nothing.