Thoughts on Subcools seeds and "business"

Chronicseeker

Chronicseeker

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Sub is a legend and his gear will go on forever.
His has built a good rep over his life-time and no doubt has seen some shit in the industry..

Personally, I prefer his older work.

Since the start of 2012 packs were supposedly $75 wholesale.
A five dollar profit locally, maybe it is true.?.

His keeper phenos speak for themselves.
 
hiluxphantom

hiluxphantom

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thats not what recessive means just so you know but I'm not willing to teach you genetics. so i will say it like this
recessive means the pp
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he take mothers and fathers that PRESENT the same recessive gene to obtain the recessive gene
 
hiluxphantom

hiluxphantom

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also my last grow was all tga and i had to kill them because they got whiteflysthey were very diverse and i had 3 strains 2 of each dairyqueen, chernobyl, and agent orange
they vegged like champs though
 
S

SSHZ

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I'll pop in and add I have never grown his stuff, mainly because in my situation I generally use feminized seeds, which he does not offer. But, I do study up on strains, growing and smoke reports, etc. He seems to have a better rep then most of the breeders out there. Nothing/no one is perfect and when problems arise- bugs, hermies, deificencies, pH swings, poor germination rates, etc.- it's usually user error and not the seeds fault. I think he also leans towards very smelly and flavorful hybrids, as opposed to yield and ease of growth. That being said, before you buy a strain, do some google/bing searching and spend an hour or two reading about previous growers experience with it. That will greatly help you make up your mind...
 
racerboy71

racerboy71

bud bootlegger
i think i love the op..

i'm not a fan of subcools work, nor the man personally.. for a few reasons..

almost everyone of his strains is a super polyhybrid, meaning he uses some crazy crosses to make his "strains".. most of the parents aren't that stable to begin with a lot of times, so by crossing two of these plants together, of course the results are going to be all over the place.. something very common with tga gear.. i don't know how many different pheno's of plushberry i have seen or heard of ffs.. the pink pheno, the purple one, the green one, the this one, the that one.. ffs, where is the stability..
i also don't like how he sucks off of the bro's grimm success and use tons of their gear in his strains.. dude can't come up with a few different plants to work with then bro grimms stock?/

oh, and that brings me to super soil.. it's not subs super soil per se, and has been around for years and years.. he may have switched 10 mg's of this for 20 mg's of that, but come on, that shit has been around for more years than sub has been around imo..

and i agree about his videos.. he plays some shit ass music at way too high of decibles and sits in front of a computer smoking weed and hash.. i could do that myself.. i haven't gotten past about 4 or 5 minutes in on any of them as i find his voice to be like finger nails on a chalkboard..

and i think a lot of people on here love sub simply for the fact that they have access to him.. lots of newbie growers on here that don't frequent other forums where breeders hang, so talking to sub for him is a huge deal..

of course this is all just my opinion...
 
Redbird1223

Redbird1223

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hiluxphantom said:
thats not what recessive means just so you know but I'm not willing to teach you genetics. so i will say it like this
recessive means the pp
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he take mothers and fathers that PRESENT the same recessive gene to obtain the recessive gene

oops looks like i just taught u genetics
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At least your "willing" to take the time out of your day to say you won't help.

Recessive (p) means the trait/allele is non-dominant.(heterozygous pairs) (pp) is the physical expression of the recessive gene because there is no dominant gene to mask it. ooops!
(and a pp expression would now be "dominant", wouldn't it?)
using mothers and fathers that PRESENT the same recessive gene to obtain the recessive gene is pretty much what I meant when I said breeding with the extreme pheno expressions - to force them into dominance (homozygous pairs) or at least make them more prevalent within the strain. (pink calyx of plushberry)



and to the next guy about to say they know something I don't, but they don't feel like helping......FUCK YOU FIRST!!! jeeez
 
RottenBoy

RottenBoy

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I love TGA.. I have Spacebomb flowering, and QUSH and Ripped bubba momma's vegging.. I also picked up a pack of Jillybean seeds at a local coop for 75$, 5 seeds. Id be willing to part with them for what I paid for them if anyone is interested.
 
YThor

YThor

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Redbird1223 said:
Recessive (p) means the trait/allele is non-dominant.(heterozygous pairs) (pp) is the physical expression of the recessive gene because there is no dominant gene to mask it. ooops!
(and a pp expression would now be "dominant", wouldn't it?)
using mothers and fathers that PRESENT the same recessive gene to obtain the recessive gene is pretty much what I meant when I said breeding with the extreme pheno expressions - to force them into dominance (homozygous pairs) or at least make them more prevalent within the strain. (pink calyx of plushberry)
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So- if one were able to breed for male/female by selecting dominant versus recessive genes, and "male-ness" came from recessive genes, then 1/4 of plants from seed would be male. The homozygous dominant plants (PP) would be female (also 1/4 by strict Mendelian genetics).

That leaves the heterozygous plants (Pp), which would be female (presentation of the dominant gene P over the recessive gene p). That would leave 2/4 of the plants (or 1/2) as heterozygous females.

So, if gender in cannabis resulted from single gene Mendelian dominance, 3/4 would be one gender (in this case, female) and 1/4 male.

Is that what we see? I thought it was closer to 50/50.
 
tranka32

tranka32

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I am a totally new patient and grower.
I was gifted a pair of TGA Dairy Queen clones earlier this year and grew them out. I watched all of subs videos including many early ones. I got all my shit together and had a successful harvest a few months later. He's a businessman and does what business men do. To me he seems like a straight up honest guy and doesn't try to mislead anyone. He tells you in writing and video all the time to expect multiple phenotypes from his gear and that his style may not be for you.

Now that he is living in California and has the ability to grow a more respectable number of plants you may be seeing him do the full cubing in the future that will produce some more epic shit. Oh almost forgot. I gave a person that has 7 years experience growing a few clones of the DQ. 'Since then he has told me that he was blown away by the smell and resin profile. To be exact he said "these genetics may be some of the best I have ever seen. The yield was less than I am used to but damn". At least I think that's what he said. Personally I think Sub may have a few too many hands helping him out and it spoiled the pie! But then again who the hell knows or cares. If I were to buy a few 10 packs and didn't get a few keepers out of the bunch I would go to the next big thing out there or try some old favorites. I know plenty of folks around here that have grown out multiple TGA strains and moved on. Not that they didn't like it but they were just ready to go back to something more familiar to them. I plan on purchasing Vortex after I am done growing out all the current TGA strains and crosses that have been made with them that fellow weed nerds have gifted me. I have enough seeds to last me for the next 10 grows. Seriously
 
Fruitbat

Fruitbat

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I've got a couple Dairy Queen in flower that I got as freebies. One is a female and one a male. It's my first TGA grow. So far she looks good. I run mostly Sannie's gear so I'm curious to see how the Dairy Queens turn out. I always look at my potential mistakes growing before blaming the breeder.

As far as breeding and different phenos, I enjoy the variety. I don't mind looking for the one that catches your eye.
 
Redbird1223

Redbird1223

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As far as breeding and different phenos, I enjoy the variety. I don't mind looking for the one that catches your eye.

that's all I was trying to say too. I think he's just trying to give us a little sum to play with, for example subcool was not the one who found the golden ticket pheno in the Chernobyl strain, a grower named dirtydan found and gave it that name. variation is good. you can't find a winner til you find a winner! but I understand if someone wanted stability in their lineup why they might try other good breeders stock. I'm dying to order some seeds cause I want to hunt and find something special, can't do that with clones
golden ticket - photo by sub
 
kgp

kgp

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When you grow 12 plants and get 12 different phenos, not even the one your looking for. Problem.... Some strains are nice and stable.
 
1337hacker

1337hacker

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I am with you kgp, it is hard to go through that kind of leg work and not have any fruit for your efforts. However really keeper phenos make me giddy as well... keeps me popping a seed or two at a time, like playing the lottery or something lol
 
hiluxphantom

hiluxphantom

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YThor said:
So- if one were able to breed for male/female by selecting dominant versus recessive genes, and "male-ness" came from recessive genes, then 1/4 of plants from seed would be male. The homozygous dominant plants (PP) would be female (also 1/4 by strict Mendelian genetics).
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sex is a little different but thats bassically how fems are made. they initially have 2 females but they force male organs on a female plant but its DNA is still that of female and females carry XX where males carry XY so when u cross 2 XX XX = XX because no Y dna has contributed to the cross

with sex it is 50/50 because the males donation is the deciding factor because he either donates his x or y so in that instance the male alone is the deciding factor of the offsprings sex
 
hiluxphantom

hiluxphantom

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Redbird1223 said:
At least your "willing" to take the time out of your day to say you won't help.

Recessive (p) means the trait/allele is non-dominant.(heterozygous pairs) (pp) is the physical expression of the recessive gene because there is no dominant gene to mask it. ooops!
(and a pp expression would now be "dominant", wouldn't it?)
using mothers and fathers that PRESENT the same recessive gene to obtain the recessive gene is pretty much what I meant when I said breeding with the extreme pheno expressions - to force them into dominance (homozygous pairs) or at least make them more prevalent within the strain. (pink calyx of plushberry)



and to the next guy about to say they know something I don't, but they don't feel like helping......FUCK YOU FIRST!!! jeeez
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sorry i wasnt high enough/too high ya know i was on indica when needed a sativa I'll answer ur ?s to the best of my extent
 
BeaverHuntr

BeaverHuntr

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My take on Subcool and TGA's stuff is thats it's "okay" I cant hate on it because one of my buddy grows a lot of TGA stuff and his cuts clone well and flower really well. The only thing I have to complain about TGA's gear is the pheno hunting on certain strains. Jilly Bean has been a mother fucker for me. My growbuddy and myself got these weird phenos that produced no smell even when you broke up the cured buds. Anyways thats my take on TGA stuff. Pretty good stuff if you know what your doing. As for Subcool he seems okay he has tons of videos for his super soil which I am currently using. Its all organic you just cook the soil and water with just plain R/O water no more bottles of nutes.
 
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