Lol, I sure hope that wasn't an argument.
Layoffs coming...
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Like you said, if it wasnt profitable, they wouldn't be complaining. Same dudes worrying about what "we" should be doing about other people's money and property, when the fact is is that its no ones business. You either own it and have a stake in the claim, or you choose to be an employee and receive a paycheck for your effort. The entitlement mentality of "I own it cuz I work there" has got to stop
ChesusRice
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So if I own land and a creek runs thru it
That's my water and I can dam the creek and fill a lake?
That's my water and I can dam the creek and fill a lake?
canndo
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Now THAT is funny. The concept of stakeholders in a company is now long gone. No, the employees don't own what they manufacture, they shouldn't take pride in what goes out the door because - they don't have any, it is just a job and they get paid for their time, nothing else. The company owes them nothing but a paycheck and the employees need only show up on time and leave at 5:00 right? Now there is a way to proudly manufactured widgets made in the U.S.
I hate to beak this to you, but your paycheck isn't just for time you give the company, its for effort and quality as well. Or do you think that just showing up is enough, lol.
Lol, No, the employees don't own what they manufacture. They didn't buy the materials that made the product, among a million other factors, so why the hell do they expect any type of ownership?
And I never said showing up was enough. Showing up and producing quality is your job, do it or lose it. They don't have the right of ownership just because they work there was my argument, not sure where you went.
Uh huh, until someone just off your property line does the same thing and your creek dries up, lol.
Water is a crucial element of life, gold jewels oil etc are not. Apple's and oranges
canndo
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Times have changed - showing up is now a significant portion of one's paycheck. No, technicly they don't own anything at all, except as I said, pride has vanished, hastened by management's disregard for their employees - they see employees as replaceable cogs and that is now what they get.
They used to put concern into their work - buyers would get the best elements for the best price, workers checked their work, kept tolerances low, oversaw their portion of thrift and alerted management to problems on the line that they might not have been aware of. This sort of thing still happens in Japan and the japanese turn out some of the most dependable and solid products in the world.
No, they don't own anything but they should and the companies where workers own a portion or all of their company have significantly better operations. So long as a company is viewed the way such as you see them, there will never be ethical, efficient and... happy operations in a company.
ChesusRice
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I still take pride in my work as do my co workers
canndo
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I do as well - but I work for myself.
Dr Kynes
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specious argument.
you presume the stream simply passes through the land of the person at question. in that case there are many laws (legistated and commonlaw) as well as regulations to guide the use of the water from a stream that is "Common"
in many regions you may in fact dam that creek to create a pond, divert it to operate a waterwheel, pump water out for irrigation or to fill a cistern or reservoire, but most regions have a limit on the amount of the water one person/property owner may extract to ensure that other neighbors downstream get water too. likewise the neighbor at the narrow mouth of the valley has no right to build a giant dam and flood out the entire valley to create his own private lake (it's his dam after all), nor can a guuy from the next valley over demand a piece of your water because he tried to use dynamite to enlarge his spring and stopped it up entirely.
If however you own every scrap of land between the stream's source and the sea, you can do whatever you like with the water. including sell it to the highest bidder. you can dam it up and make a private lake, you can divert it through pipes to los angeles and sell it to the hollywood elite,, you can piss in it or you can turn it into a nature preserve.
employees are not the owners of a company or a resource, they have zero rights to the company or the resource.
likewise a company is not a creek flowing through many people's property, nor is it held in "common"
ChesusRice
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Why are CEOs entitled to contracts but the ordinary worker is not?
Moses Mobetta
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Because it's easier to make slaves out of them .
I have fired people for poor quality of work. My small little company does well. I don't see the problem.
If it s better then those who want to give away portions of their company can do it. I'll burn mine to the ground before someone takes it away, call it a training op for the local fire department and all those people who worked for me can go find a new business to try and take over.
Who said they were entitled?
Maybe the ordinary worker should go get a business loan instead of another car or home loan and start their own company.
ChesusRice
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Maybe the ordinary worker should be allowed to form a union with other willing employees and collectivly bargain for compensation
CEOs have buddies on the board of directors
Workers have buddies in unions
like hostess did? buwhahahahahaha!!
MuyLocoNC
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They should be allowed to form unions and collectively bargain for compensation. And the owner should be able to fire every fucking one of them at the first sign of the union being formed. He/she should also be allowed to require a signed contract with every new hire that they cannot form a union in the first 100 years of their employment, that way they enter into the job with full understanding of their "rights". Don't wanna sign it, move along to the next job...the guy behind you is chomping at the bit to sign on.
UncleBuck
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i thought everyone was going galt?
abandonconflict
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They should just be enslaved. May as well hire starving children. No need to give em lunch breaks if they can scarcely afford lunch. SCORE!
I knew it was Guinness, that is why I said Guinness. I am a brewer and I collect imperial pint glasses, Guinness branded in particular. I brought back at least a dozen from my trip to the Republic of Ireland. Including one from my two tours of the Guinness brewery.
My question was about that particular glass. In videos of this particular event I don't notice anything raised though so it might just be light.