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cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
You got me on a technicality.

Still though, that is the capitalist approach to education or education within a capitalist system. I think FB360's example better shows education rewarding greed independently of capitalism. This example just shows capitalism rewarding greed for education. What is worse is that it is not at all greed for knowledge, but greed for credential.

However, I think even FB360's example is kind of a stretch, I don't know enough about North Korea to make an debate of it though.
I'm trying to determine if you think the existence of money is a good thing or not. Once money is present, capitalism follows, practically by human reflex.

My principal beef with fb360's post is that all the companies he mentioned don't really make anything (except Apple, and you disposed of that with a picture).
 

abandonconflict

Well-Known Member
I'm trying to determine if you think the existence of money is a good thing or not. Once money is present, capitalism follows, practically by human reflex.

My principal beef with fb360's post is that all the companies he mentioned don't really make anything (except Apple, and you disposed of that with a picture).
A simple answer is no, I don't think the existence of money is a bad thing.

You are touching on what could rightly become a thread of it's own. Sufficed to say I don't necessarily agree that the existence of "money" is conducive toward "capitalism". I also have to raise caution as to what I consider inherent in a "free-market" that is conveniently ignored in most definitions. It would largely be a semantic argument but I believe that the prevalent propaganda fools most people based on semantics.
 

Dr Kynes

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"money" is a means of trading value, so Buffalo Hunter can buy Corn Woman's corn, even if she is currently all stocked up on buffalo hides. this also allows Corn Woman to store and save her value in the form of shells, beads, wampum or shiny pebbles against a time when her corn crop fails, and she wants to trade that saved value for some of Fish Catcher's products.

once saving is invented, investment and markets follow rapidly. enter capitalism, stage right.

sadly this creates the conditions to spawn the "Banker" who trades on other's value, and uses trickery and complex financial schemes to leverage everybody else's shit for his own profit.

Banker is not capitalism, he is the sad and disgusting afterbirth of the nativity of investment.
 

fb360

Active Member
You got me on a technicality.

Still though, that is the capitalist approach to education or education within a capitalist system. I think FB360's example better shows education rewarding greed independently of capitalism. This example just shows capitalism rewarding greed for education. What is worse is that it is not at all greed for knowledge, but greed for credential.

However, I think even FB360's example is kind of a stretch, I don't know enough about North Korea to make an debate of it though.
In North Korea, during Kim Jong Il's reign, the general populous was purposely falsely educated so that they would remain sheep of flock to his herd.

Some examples are that he is God, and that everything good came from his doings. Furthermore, the rest of the world is EVIL, and everything bad is because of their doings. A more specific example I can state is from a documentary on Netflix, which you should check out. In the documentary, a doctor from the US was sent to North Korea to remove cataracts from civilians. In one instance he was successful in giving vision to an elderly lady who had never seen before. The first thing she did after the US doctor gave vision to her was to go over to a picture of Kim Jong Il, and thank HIM for giving her vision, when in fact he was the reason she had never seen before. Her actions were a direct result of the greedy education that Kim Jong Il instilled in her. She wasn't wrong for acting the way she did, for she knows no better

It's sad how greedy education can become. North Korea is an example of such

I'm trying to determine if you think the existence of money is a good thing or not. Once money is present, capitalism follows, practically by human reflex.

My principal beef with fb360's post is that all the companies he mentioned don't really make anything (except Apple, and you disposed of that with a picture).
What? Kidding?

Intel makes CPUs and microprocessors...
You can thank intel for giving you the ability to try refute my post on this forum.
Apple can thank intel as well, for apple only uses intel CPUs in their products

Besides AMD, which is going downhill, Intel is the only large company manufacturing CPUs.
CPUs are the brains of a computer. Without them, computers would be scrap metal and electronics.
Consequently, Intel is one of the highest-end companies that resides in the US. Moreover, all of their expensive fabrication is done in house, right here in the good ole U S of A

I could go on as well with more examples:
Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Microchip, HoneyWell, etc etc
 

Dr Kynes

Well-Known Member
I could go on as well with more examples:
Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Microchip, HoneyWell, etc etc
Wackenhut, DeBeers, Blackwater, Halliburton, The EIB Network, Koch Industries, Monsanto, GeneTech, Dow Chemical, Exxon, Ciba Geigy, etc...

not hiring illegal aliens as menial labour doesnt make a shit company less shitty.
 

fb360

Active Member
Wackenhut, DeBeers, Blackwater, Halliburton, The EIB Network, Koch Industries, Monsanto, GeneTech, Dow Chemical, Exxon, Ciba Geigy, etc...

not hiring illegal aliens as menial labour doesnt make a shit company less shitty.
Thats not the argument, nor do I disagree

The argument is that capitalism rewards greed in terms of illegal labor, therefore companies who use cheap illegal labor should be rewarded and successful in capitalistic societies.
I gave counters to that argument, even though the entire argument is weak.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Thats not the argument, nor do I disagree

The argument is that capitalism rewards greed in terms of illegal labor, therefore companies who use cheap illegal labor should be rewarded and successful in capitalistic societies.
I gave counters to that argument, even though the entire argument is weak.
Oh. I wasn't thinking in terms of illegal labor.
And point conceded; Intel makes stuff.
cn
 

skunky33

Active Member
Oh, so this story is an exception...
It's insulting, but not particularly offensive to me. He's made connections before to liberals (aka anyone who want's socialized medicine) being traitors worse than Islamic terrorists and you know what he want's to happen to them so....So yeah, he basically wants "liberals" to be executed like the Taliban wants. Fuck him, good riddance. Friends and family of mine are very liberal. It's people like him who think they can make justified connections with killing or genocide of people who think differently than they do (aka) Ann Coulter.
 

drolove

Well-Known Member
We love to let your people in our country cause it is so easy to hustle you and separate you from your money.
which is why we like to bring our guns to shoot you punk asses. and you guys have laws against it cause you whole county is full of good for nothing tricksters. and speaking of hustling....we pay your people below min wage here. your the ones getting hustled. your people are good for cheap crappy work, cheap crappy weed, and sometimes cheap crappy vacations :p
 

abandonconflict

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which is why we like to bring our guns to shoot you punk asses. and you guys have laws against it cause you whole county is full of good for nothing tricksters. and speaking of hustling....we pay your people below min wage here. your the ones getting hustled. your people are good for cheap crappy work, cheap crappy weed, and sometimes cheap crappy vacations :p


And there it is

You have just admitted that illegal immigration is good for the economy.

FYI, I'm a white guy, US citizen and an army combat vet so I'm pretty sure I'm qualified to call my self an American, probably more than you.
 
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