do i NEED nutrients???

my babies are 3 weeks old today from seedlings looking very healthy will post pictures soon. i am planning on going under 12-12 starting tmr and iv yet to use nuts,

my question is do i HAVE to use nuts in order to get good quality bud?

And im low on funds so i seen people using miracle grow Ultra Bloom for the flowering stages followed by the 3 week flush cuz it has chemicals in it, is that a smart thing to do??

What would be your suggestions i am open to anything

Thank you
 

StewartWarner

Active Member
tight budget MG will work im using the Grow now and plan to use their Bloom vary soon :) If they look good no need to feed them they will tell you when theyre hungry. Get thoes pics up lol :)
 
IMG_3378.jpgIMG_3371.jpgIMG_3375.jpghere are the picture and i am just wondering if any1 can tell me the SEX of these plants yet? and they are 3 weeks old and 1 day from seed
 

3 Pounds of Weeden

Active Member
F*** MG. it has time released shit that is not cannabis specific. Now, you don't need cannabis specific nutes, but MG just sucks man idk what to say. If you're going into flowering and are strapped for cash, at least buy some organic molasses for $3-4 at walblogs (wal mart). Your nute need depends on the soil, after awhile all nutes will be used up, having a perfect PH will allow your girls to take up everything they need. Ex: if your PH is too acidic it may not allow phosphorous to be properly received.
 
5 gallon and going into flowering iv read i need a diffrent kind of soil one with less Nitrogen right?. one i was currently using was 20.10.10.how much would a flowering nutrient average anyways? and thank you all for the replies
 

galildoughty

Active Member
Your young plants look really good and healthy, and no stretching. Ideally you'd want to transplant into the same soil to minimize shock. I flower when my ladies are about 5 inches tall due to height restrictions. I use Fox Farms Ocean Forest soil and don't see signs of deficiency till there well into flowering. Im personally gonna try getting a single bottle of bloom nutes to supplement with plus unsulfured molasses for my current grow and see how that goes.
 

Bakatare666

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F*** MG. it has time released shit that is not cannabis specific. Now, you don't need cannabis specific nutes, but MG just sucks man idk what to say. If you're going into flowering and are strapped for cash, at least buy some organic molasses for $3-4 at walblogs (wal mart). Your nute need depends on the soil, after awhile all nutes will be used up, having a perfect PH will allow your girls to take up everything they need. Ex: if your PH is too acidic it may not allow phosphorous to be properly received.
Don't tell him MG sucks man.
It just isn't optimum for growing cannabis, but if that's what he has, let's try and help him do the best with what he's got.
Here's a 21 day old example of MG does not "suck".View attachment 2449453
 

Bakatare666

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5 gallon and going into flowering iv read i need a diffrent kind of soil one with less Nitrogen right?. one i was currently using was 20.10.10.how much would a flowering nutrient average anyways? and thank you all for the replies
For flower, maybe something like a 0-10-20, or a 10-20-30, usually a 1-2-3 ratio.
I use a 0-15-11, and throw in some MG all purpose nutes if I see an N deficiency.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
F*** MG. it has time released shit that is not cannabis specific. Now, you don't need cannabis specific nutes, but MG just sucks man idk what to say. If you're going into flowering and are strapped for cash, at least buy some organic molasses for $3-4 at walblogs (wal mart). Your nute need depends on the soil, after awhile all nutes will be used up, having a perfect PH will allow your girls to take up everything they need. Ex: if your PH is too acidic it may not allow phosphorous to be properly received.
Their soil does, but their "classic box" ferts don't. You have to be careful with them. They're full of urea nitrogen which is "plant meth" if handled casually, and urea/ammoniac nitrogen must be allowed to be eaten up before harvest. Ammoniac nitrogen is the #1 culprit of poor-burning weed with that black ash. cn
 

drolove

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transplant into 3 gallon pots. dont use MG use ANYTHING else thats cheap. need something high in nitrogen for veg and something high in phospherous for flower and you should be good.
 
Sorry to come on your post asking for help but im a newbie between a rock and a hard place :wall:. Im about 4 weeks from seed, im growing in ffof with 25% added perlite im watering with 6.5 ph tap water and my runoff is coming out at 5.0. The only reason I complaining is because I have some type of deficiency or slight nute burn do to me adding a half of tsp of the General Hydroponics Flora Nova Grow nutes (7-4-10). Im growing in a 3x3 tent with a 400w mh reflector hood my temps stay between 72-75 degrees and humidity between 45%-65%. I don't know what the issue is so any help would be appreciated. By the way the strain is white widow/big bud from attitude. Pic are below. I also heard lime will buffer my ph but idk.


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Clonex

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When I first started out and was confused about nutes I decided to just use good soil, bat guano and anything else organic I could get my hands on.
After research and some trial and error I now use more advanced nutes.
Mg works but is not crop specific
Unless your growing a jungle most nutes are not expensive.
 
well thank you everybody for your help, only thing is there so many different opinions i wish there was a straight answer on,

I am going to transplant into 3gal buckets just for the reason 5 gallon just sounds too big
also i am going to use soil of the ratio 1,2,3 like some1 said earlier...currently using 20.10.10 for veg so for sure going to look for less Nitrogen cuz i HATE black ash and shitty smoke
also going to switch them under to 12-12 under my 1000whps at the same time,,,they are currently veggin under neon;s

Thank you for everyone speaking there mind i usually pick the one i think makes sense or when many people agree on the same topic

as for the MIRAGE GROW only reason i wasnt going to use it was i heard it was Un healthy cuz of the chemicals...i am still uncertain of what i am going to do tho
 

kinddiesel

Well-Known Member
OK LISTEN ,, ! veg get all purpuse 10/10/10 and flower get 10/30 or higher and 10 so 10/30ish/10 your stuff will grow fast ! and flower huge buds . for the chemical i use the sam ok so a week before u harvest run straight water only, no taste no worries. and no feed those 1/4 nutes only thell burn , only pound nutes if they are a foot tall or more full strenth , this solution works ! 12 ounce plants here !! no bull shit, got them tied from the cealing with ropes buds are to heavy,
 

Clonex

Well-Known Member
well thank you everybody for your help, only thing is there so many different opinions i wish there was a straight answer on,

I am going to transplant into 3gal buckets just for the reason 5 gallon just sounds too big
also i am going to use soil of the ratio 1,2,3 like some1 said earlier...currently using 20.10.10 for veg so for sure going to look for less Nitrogen cuz i HATE black ash and shitty smoke
also going to switch them under to 12-12 under my 1000whps at the same time,,,they are currently veggin under neon;s

Thank you for everyone speaking there mind i usually pick the one i think makes sense or when many people agree on the same topic

as for the MIRAGE GROW only reason i wasnt going to use it was i heard it was Un healthy cuz of the chemicals...i am still uncertain of what i am going to do tho
Technically all nutes have chemicals.
 
yeah in that case that im going to go with the MG Ultra Bloom, im going to flush 2 even 2 and a half weeks before harvest ill keep every1 posted on these thread and have pictures before i start flowering to weeks in, im going to get my bigger pots and soil today and might start flower after xmas also going to pick up some ONA gel since my babies are already starting to stink
 

bmeat

New Member
you already have nutes in your soil, so you dont need an additional nutes the whole grow.

i use a potting soil (soil, woodchips, some rocks and minerals etc.) and i cut it with coco (becuase peat bogs are running low and take forever to form) and perlite.

i take the soil and i premix it with a 1-1-1 compost i purchased. its chicken poop, bone meal, feather meal and potash. this is not only direct food for the plant thats already been broken down (through digestion and through a machine processor) but its also full of biota, or soil life, that will populate the entire soil and turn it fertile!

if you use chemical nutes, it will kill off the soil life, requiring you to supplement food more frequnetly.

i just use the compost. the directions say to add every 8 weeks, so i add every 10 weeks (becuase manufactures make you use more than you need to, so you buy their product quicker)
so i mix the compost prior to sowing seed, and then i just put some on top of the soil and water it in when i switch to flower.

if you use chemical nutes, you should supply them with the fertilizer every 2-3 weeks. be careful though, as this leads to salt and mineral build ups, and the roots will eventually get a lockup.

miracle grow makes good soil (minus the fact that there is a gnat infestation right now) but the company itself is a profit whore POS. they are profit>life so you should never support them. they are monsanto. many companies dump into our mother earth, but when your main product is pesticides, they should be careful, but they arent.

your soil already has a lot of fertilizer in it. if you want, get an organic 1-1-1 fertlizer and use it once or twice more before harvest.

the only problem with big pots is that its hard for people to determine when to water, thats why we use smaller pots. cannabis likes dry soil. a big pot can hold water for 2-4 weeks after the first watereing.

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