Here it comes - gun control!!!

[budlover13]

Perhaps I will post a video of me removing my trigger lock sometime. Smooth is fast, and perfect practice makes perfect.

If you could get through my door with an axe or something similar before I can get my 12ga ready, I'd be very surprised.

Make sure you post it at two in the morning, from a dead sleep.

What i'm saying is that my weapon is ON me, in MY control or within arms reach at most times in my home.

Everyone in this house knows how to use it or leave it alone.

 

[cannabineer]

Completely agree.

Any blade can be sharpened.

Try sharpening a Swiss Army knife. You can go so far and no further. I have a couple of Japanese kitchen knives. Those will take and hold an edge that embarrasses my otherwise very good German and French kitchen iron. cn

 

[Beefbisquit]

Make sure you post it at two in the morning, from a dead sleep.

What i'm saying is that my weapon is ON me, in MY control or within arms reach at most times in my home.

Everyone in this house knows how to use it or leave it alone.

If it's on you, we have nothing to discuss.

If it's in arms reach, we have nothing to discuss.

If you are leaving your home, and leaving it behind, it should be locked up.

If you're home and you have kids at home, and your firearm is not on you, it should be locked up.


From what you've described to me, I have no issues with how you maintain or store your firearms. You sound very responsible. My only wish is that all gun owners were held to your standard.

 

[Doer]

I would say "intrinsic" means that it is in the article's nature but without implications of design. A rock in the right size/shape range is intrinsically a good weapon, but that cannot be argued to be the rock's purpose. And until someone discovered knapping, there was no design involved.

Right. Just selection. They get hard to find in the best shape. Hey, now, maybe just break one with another one!! What is next, the wheel?

You know, all our games are based on conflict. Our laws are for settling conflict. Our entire system is legal confrontation w/the right to your own Champion.
(should you not be able to afford one....blah, blah)

A bowl is probably designed for not spilling blood. The progressives have pushed us out onto the slippery slope, already. They think the slope lead to their win. Bunch of do-gooders. Why not contain the mentally ill, like we make some much effort to jail for petty drugs?

Look back into history of involuntary commitment laws. Guns are not the problem. It is a blame Reagan thing.

http://sociology.org/content/vol003.004/thomas_d.html
"This paper provides an illustration of this co-optation by examining the policies regarding involuntary commitment of the mentally ill. The shifts in such policies were not the result of overt attempts at change, but rather part of an overall effort to realign the political economy to be more profitable for business. The overall result was that political discourse shifted from a focus on social policy to a focus on fiscal policy. As such, social programs that necessitated financial outlays on the part of the federal government were overlooked in favour of policies that seemed less costly."

 

[kpmarine]

I would suggest that a good knife is intrinsically sharpenable. The mark of good blade steel is how fine an edge it can acquire. You can sharpen and sharpen a lousy knife (using good technique) and it will not get sharper, just eventually smaller.

I have a few good but neglected knives. cn

I have to disagree here. The material doesn't really determine what edge you can put on the blade, it determines how long that edge will hold. High carbon steel doesn't get any sharper than stainless in my experience; the stainless knife just loses it's edge faster, due to being a softer metal. Man... we really got of topic. haha

 

[Beefbisquit]

I have to disagree here. The material doesn't so much determine what edge you can put on it as it determines how long that edge will hold. High carbon steel doesn't get any sharper than stainless in my experience; the stainless knife just loses it's edge faster, due to being a softer metal. Man... we rally got of topic. haha

Bwahahaha..... Off topic? Just a little.

But for the record, you are correct.

 

[budlover13]

If it's on you, we have nothing to discuss.

If it's in arms reach, we have nothing to discuss.

If you are leaving your home, and leaving it behind, it should be locked up.

If you're home and you have kids at home, and your firearm is not on you, it should be locked up.


From what you've described to me, I have no issues with how you maintain or store your firearms. You sound very responsible.

i agree that when i leave home, the ones i don't take should be locked up. The vast majority are even while home.

 

[cannabineer]

I have to disagree here. The material doesn't really determine what edge you can put on the blade, it determines how long that edge will hold. High carbon steel doesn't get any sharper than stainless in my experience; the stainless knife just loses it's edge faster, due to being a softer metal. Man... we really got of topic. haha

Bwahahaha..... Off topic? Just a little.

But for the record, you are correct.

Sorry guys but my experience is otherwise. I simply cannot put a good edge onto soft steel, even for a short time. Or even steel of intermediate quality like that in Swiss Army knives. cn

 

[Beefbisquit]

i agree that when i leave home, the ones i don't take should be locked up. The vast majority are even while home.

Sir, this is literally the exact thing I'm talking about. Everyone should have the same (forced even!) commitment to safety as you do.


If your gun is not on you, in your possession when you're home, it should be stored away so young ones, or thieves have limited access to it.

My other argument, which might be considered more controversial is this;

If you want a CCW permit, you should have appropriate training. You should have training on choosing an appropriate weapon and caliber for CCW purposes, you should have training on when it's appropriate to use a firearm in a public place, and you should have training on safety concerns that should be addressed when in a high stress situations.

I'm not saying your safety doesn't take paramount concern even, just that if you're going to be given a potentially deadly weapon, and a right to use it in a public place where you could really, really hurt other people, or kill them, you should at least be a reasonably skilled individual.

Is that really asking something extraordinary?

.

 

[Beefbisquit]

Sorry guys but my experience is otherwise. I simply cannot put a good edge onto soft steel, even for a short time. Or even steel of intermediate quality like that in Swiss Army knives. cn

Too much pressure on the blade. Or try using stones with less grit on softer steel.

 

[budlover13]

Sir, this is literally the exact thing I'm talking about. Everyone should have the same (forced even!) commitment to safety as you do.


If your gun is not on you, in your possession when you're home, it should be stored away so young ones, or thieves have limited access to it.

My other argument, which might be considered more controversial is this;

If you want a CCW permit, you should have appropriate training. You should have training on choosing an appropriate weapon and caliber for CCW purposes, you should have training on when it's appropriate to use a firearm in a public place, and you should have training on safety concerns that should be addressed when in a high stress situations.

I'm not saying your safety doesn't take paramount concern even, just that if you're going to be given a potentially deadly weapon, an a right to use it in a public place where you could really, really hurt other people, you should be a skilled individual.

Is that really asking something extraordinary?

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i agree that someone should have that training but i do not agree that they should be forced to.

 

[cannabineer]

Too much pressure on the blade. Or try using stones with less grit on softer steel.

Oho; you impugn my technique? I have a slightly delirious collection of waterstones, whetstones, diamond abrasives etc. I get great edges from great steel. I do not with ungreat steel. cn

 

[Beefbisquit]

i agree that someone should have that training but i do not agree that they should be forced to.

Not even for a CCW permit? Think of the jobs that could be created, Federal CCW trainers that would properly train anyone that filled out a simply CCW form. Hell, they could even use the NRA to get their instructors...

There could be an actual, citizen element that would be highly trained in the use of firearms. If the 2nd amendment was made to ensure the citizens could overthrow a tyrannical gov. what better protection could the citizens have than not only having guns, but being highly trained in their use!

 

[Mindmelted]

not even for a ccw permit? Think of the jobs that could be created, federal ccw trainers that would properly train anyone that filled out a simply ccw form...

There could be an actual, citizen element that would be highly trained in the use of firearms. If the 2nd amendment was made to ensure the citizens could overthrow a tyrannical gov. What better protection could the citizens have than not only having guns, but being highly trained in their use!

What makes you think the feds are the ones that should handle it.
Hell i guarantee you i shoot better than 90% of the police force down here.

 

[budlover13]

What makes you think the feds are the ones that should handle it.
Hell i guarantee you i shoot better than 90% of the police force down here.

Exactly. i don't trust the government to run any program. They sure pay good though.

 

[budlover13]

Not even for a CCW permit? Think of the jobs that could be created, Federal CCW trainers that would properly train anyone that filled out a simply CCW form. Hell, they could even use the NRA to get their instructors...

There could be an actual, citizen element that would be highly trained in the use of firearms. If the 2nd amendment was made to ensure the citizens could overthrow a tyrannical gov. what better protection could the citizens have than not only having guns, but being highly trained in their use!

There SHOULD be an active, actual citizen element in place imo. The government is not the one to coordinate that though imo.

 

[Beefbisquit]

Exactly. i don't trust the government to run any program. They sure pay good though.

Then have it done locally. It's a hypothetical scenario, gentlemen.

I'm sure there's a ton of local law enforcement, ex-military, or self defense professionals, that would jump at the chance to help citizens get their CCW's.

 

[cannabineer]

Not even for a CCW permit? Think of the jobs that could be created, Federal CCW trainers that would properly train anyone that filled out a simply CCW form. Hell, they could even use the NRA to get their instructors...

There could be an actual, citizen element that would be highly trained in the use of firearms. If the 2nd amendment was made to ensure the citizens could overthrow a tyrannical gov. what better protection could the citizens have than not only having guns, but being highly trained in their use!

Isn't there something smile-inducing about an official corps of revolutionaries? cn

 

[budlover13]

Then have it done locally. It's a hypothetical scenario, gentlemen.

I'm sure there's a ton of local law enforcement, ex-military, or self defense professionals, that would jump at the chance to help citizens get their CCW's.

THAT i can agree to. Then again, there's those pesky Federal laws that prevent it from happening at the local level.

MY whole thing is that i shouldn't NEED a CCW to protect me and mine and quite possibly yours.

 

[Beefbisquit]

THAT i can agree to. Then again, there's those pesky Federal laws that prevent it from happening at the local level.

MY whole thing is that i shouldn't NEED a CCW to protect me and mine and quite possibly yours.

I'm honestly just glad some actual discussion about making progress took place.

You guys made my night.

...and on that note, I'm gonna blaze some Neville's Haze