Canibitual
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double post
I think flushing is a myth heres why
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Canibitual
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like I said... keep twisting it... Here's the real qoute... "He" was the one that asked if it made a difference...
you must be too stoned to be reading... you even misquoted that reference.... keep pulling more info from years ago... doesn't bother me...
you can keep thinking I'm lying... that's fine... all I'm doing is laughing at you for it... and I'm not stupid enough to post my pics until my case is over...
Canibitual
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http://www.gctelegram.com/news/Whitey-Whitehill-6-16-11
Do not over-fertilize tomatoes
Though tomatoes need to be fertilized to yield well, too much nitrogen can result in large plants with little to no fruit. Tomatoes should be fertilized before planting and sidedressed with a nitrogen fertilizer three times during the season.
http://www.thelawninstitute.org/education/?t=3148&st=4992&c=183098
Nitrogen also tends to promote high leaf growth rates at the expense of root growth
http://www.veggiegardener.com/understanding-soil-nutrients-nitrogen/
You can apply excessive amounts of nitrogen with manures and compost as well, so take caution with organic materials as well. An excess of nitrogen, caused by fertilizer over application, can result in rapid, lush growth and a diminished root system. In extreme cases too much quick release nitrogen can cause burning of the leaf tissue, and plant death.
http://homeguides.sfgate.com/problems-overfertilizing-roses-28052.html
Over-fertilizing the roses leads to fast and sudden growth, which produces an excessive amount of leaves and shoots that the plant cannot handle. This leads to a weaker plant and with fewer blooms. This overdose of nitrogen increases the foliage production at the expense of flower buds and, since roses are grown for their blooms, you are left with a rose bush without roses
Do not over-fertilize tomatoes
Though tomatoes need to be fertilized to yield well, too much nitrogen can result in large plants with little to no fruit. Tomatoes should be fertilized before planting and sidedressed with a nitrogen fertilizer three times during the season.
http://www.thelawninstitute.org/education/?t=3148&st=4992&c=183098
Nitrogen also tends to promote high leaf growth rates at the expense of root growth
http://www.veggiegardener.com/understanding-soil-nutrients-nitrogen/
You can apply excessive amounts of nitrogen with manures and compost as well, so take caution with organic materials as well. An excess of nitrogen, caused by fertilizer over application, can result in rapid, lush growth and a diminished root system. In extreme cases too much quick release nitrogen can cause burning of the leaf tissue, and plant death.
http://homeguides.sfgate.com/problems-overfertilizing-roses-28052.html
Over-fertilizing the roses leads to fast and sudden growth, which produces an excessive amount of leaves and shoots that the plant cannot handle. This leads to a weaker plant and with fewer blooms. This overdose of nitrogen increases the foliage production at the expense of flower buds and, since roses are grown for their blooms, you are left with a rose bush without roses
Uncle Pirate
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Again, you're talking about tomatoes, and throwing in lawns too. Unrelated to cannabis as far as nutrient usage goes. Different species of plants react differently to the amounts of N P and K they're given. Also, overdosing with anything is bad, whether it's N P or K. Giving cannabis healthy amounts of nitrogen throughout veg or flowering does not cause it to outgrow its roots. Nor does it cause large plants with little or no bud. You can't take rules out of the book of growing a healthy lawn and apply all of them to cannabis as well. Remember the thread is about flushing. Not what too much N does to your lawn.
https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/570037-so-you-noobs-hooked-cannabis.html
You want to talk about high N throughout flowering, read that thread.
https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/570037-so-you-noobs-hooked-cannabis.html
You want to talk about high N throughout flowering, read that thread.
Ninjabowler
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What does that prove in relation to nitrogen or roots? Kind sounds like useless information or turrets because you obviously cant think this is pertinant or you dont understand what hes implying. This guys posting all over both you and pirate right now with some good science. Im interested to see if you can find anything to dispute his facts.
Canibitual
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Generally, a good screen of green works well when it's vegged for a few weeks... that imply less N automatically, Ive yet to see a Scrog do a 1.5 week veg... also most good scrog growers deleaf heavily on the underside of the plants... hence the growth that would strain the system is removed...
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M6RweYDdlpI/Ts9qZK3ogNI/AAAAAAAAAcA/OzvmPTAlCbM/s1600/marijuana_scrog.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AgnaxE21ySM/Ts9qkGF-eeI/AAAAAAAAAcI/fR2_vAbUgEo/s1600/scrog_weed.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-M6RweYDdlpI/Ts9qZK3ogNI/AAAAAAAAAcA/OzvmPTAlCbM/s1600/marijuana_scrog.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AgnaxE21ySM/Ts9qkGF-eeI/AAAAAAAAAcI/fR2_vAbUgEo/s1600/scrog_weed.JPG
FilthyFletch
Mr I Can Do That For Half
Its pretty simple yes flushing has many benefits at end of harvest. The flush removes the excess build up during a grow which is why you flush during the grows for a day every 2 weeks or so. At the end you flush which dilutes any left over nutes in soil and in hydro it completely flushes chemical ferts and the plant takes up the diluted water mix until just water. This in turn removes any fert tatse and while doing so the buds will burn slower and not pop or spark. You also remove any nute taste left from the plants build up. This has been shown many times and has been proven so anyone who is saying otherwise is just full of shit and being a troll. It's real easy to prove to yourself. Grow 2 plants side by side flush during grow and at harvest time on one and dont do it to the other trim dry manicure and cure then smoke and compare.
Canibitual
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I think Pirate thinks Marijuana is some kind of " Magic plant from fairy land"...
Ninjabowler
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No, he just posted that many different types of plants with to much nitrogen out grow the root system. Thats what his point was, right?
are we on the same thread?
are we on the same thread?
Ninjabowler
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Lmao oh god, way too funny.
Ninjabowler
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Uncle Pirate
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Wow, you guys are way too funny. At least I'm not comparing cannabis to my lawn. And at least I'm confident enough to show off my work and don't lie about my grows. You guys don't have shit but each other and some ridiculous ideas.
Ninjabowler
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Wow, you guys are way too funny.
- id like to think i have a sence of humor
At least I'm not comparing cannabis to my lawn.
- i believe you pirate were the first one to start comparing cannabis to tomatos and we just came along for the ride. then you were out posted with science and havent been able to dispute his claims with any posted science as of yet, right?
And at least I'm confident enough to show off my work and don't lie about my grows.
- you posted not even a full plant. Lol. It looked good but im a noob and my first plant ever is twice the size of yours if you did get 3oz off of it like you said, im not calling you a liar though, that is childish. I saw his pictures, i can see now why he is so fluent in the truth. He has a reason to not post. Down playing what his reasons are is probably bad karma, think about it...
You guys don't have shit but each other and some ridiculous ideas.
- scientific postings backing spoken word?? And every major cannabis author? And the majority of growers?
Look, you posted that the last daysin hydro you run between 200 and 400 ppm. He posted that he runs 500 ppm from 5 days till chop and when chop day comes along most of thats gone. Theyre so close to the same answer that i dont know why youd care.
Wait, i figured it out, its cause hes winning the nitrogen argument and your mad..you are mad arent ya, yup, yur mad.
Uncle Pirate
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I compared tomatoes to cannabis on the topic of flushing. Your boyfriend is the one that brought up nitrogen use by a lawn, and how your (cannabis) yield will suck if you use high N in flowering, which isn't true either. I posted a link to facts about flushing, he posted links to too much nitrogen in grass, tomatoes, and roses. I also posted a link to a thread with plants being flowered with nothing but high N veg nutes.
If you guys have better info or pics than Uncle Ben and Homebrewer, bring it. You can gang up against me all day, and in the end, I'm the one with the dank, that gets lots of praise, and have been gifted on a few occasions, packs of beans from different breeders for my skill in the growroom and my pics. How many breeders have contacted either one of you and told you how impressed they are and if you would like some free beans?
Once again, this thread is about flushing and I've posted my useful info regarding flushing. Haven't seen one bit from you or your lover except shit talk, hippie folklore, lawn care, and lies about 100 light grows. I'm willing to bet anything cannabis uses more N during flowering than both tomatoes and roses, even though it's not the topic of this thread. But you morons like to bring up unrelated shit to look smart.
If you guys have better info or pics than Uncle Ben and Homebrewer, bring it. You can gang up against me all day, and in the end, I'm the one with the dank, that gets lots of praise, and have been gifted on a few occasions, packs of beans from different breeders for my skill in the growroom and my pics. How many breeders have contacted either one of you and told you how impressed they are and if you would like some free beans?
Once again, this thread is about flushing and I've posted my useful info regarding flushing. Haven't seen one bit from you or your lover except shit talk, hippie folklore, lawn care, and lies about 100 light grows. I'm willing to bet anything cannabis uses more N during flowering than both tomatoes and roses, even though it's not the topic of this thread. But you morons like to bring up unrelated shit to look smart.
colonuggs
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I get alot of marijuana for our store (tons by now).... from alot of different growers....I dont know if its due to not flushing or what but...
when vaporizing the same strain... grown from clones... in sunshine and hydro... there is 2 distinct different tastes......one is the natural taste of the herb.. one is kinda chemically
I can always tell just by taste alone... what smoke was grown with its roots in water and which one had a buffer
when vaporizing the same strain... grown from clones... in sunshine and hydro... there is 2 distinct different tastes......one is the natural taste of the herb.. one is kinda chemically
I can always tell just by taste alone... what smoke was grown with its roots in water and which one had a buffer
Uncle Pirate
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You're a total dumb fuck. I'm done communicating with you and your boyfriend. You're both liars and fakes. You did not get 6 ounces off any one of those plants. Fucking douchebag.
Ninjabowler
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Your debate over nitrogen is unrelated to the flushing debate. Kinda sounds like a new thread topic to me. But youll get ridiculed if you suggest high n in lateflower by most growers. I know you can do it. I believe heartland hank uses high n during flower, i hope im right HH, sorry if im not, its late. But theres a reason that every nutrient company has bloom nutes with lowered N. right? If my logic is incorrect then all the nutrient companies have been listening to me and theyre idiots too right? You posted tomatos, he posted roses..who cares, its botany. And your posts both score.
Your whole second paragraph.... Im not going to call you a liar, im glad you grow dank, im glad you got seeds from breeders, congrats. This is quite irrelevent to the science behind flushing. Ill pat you on the back though...good job, seriously.
im not going to insult you either. This is a frickin internet thread. For learning, debating, and proving or disproving flushing. Just because youve been around forever doesnt mean you have the best way. I bet your an older guy whos been doing this a long time and when someone challenges you you get really mad dont ya? You and caninitual have almost the same method +\- a couple ppm. Who cares?? Your making youself look like a noob by throwing insults on the debate table. And your not scoring points by saying hes lieing either. Ive seen pics. Hes not lieing.
Your probably right about cannabis useing more N than tomatos and roses in flower too. Look at those bitches stretch when they bloom, stretch way up high, growing and useing N. But is that what you want? Do you want your flowering plant to stretch or BUD?
Ninjabowler
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theres only one plant there. You can hardly see the one in the back lmfaoYou're a total dumb fuck. I'm done communicating with you and your boyfriend. You're both liars and fakes. You did not get 6 ounces off any one of those plants. Fucking douchebag.