If they come for your guns, do you have a responsibility to fight?

nitro harley

nitro harley

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rooky1985 said:
.22 magnum in a deer head will do the trick fast, but a .223 is plenty big for white tail, I could agree with a larger caliber for the bigger antlered animals (elk, moose, etc.).

We take 300 to 400 pound hogs with a .22 chipmunk, bullet placement is always key no matter what the caliber.
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I agree a .223 with a hollow point round is what I used the last time I went dear hunting.....I am sure it was painless.........nitro..
 
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rooky1985

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Harrekin said:
Yet a larger calibre round usually drops them in their own shadow...
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I agree completely, just making the point that .223 is plenty big enough to take down an animal 300lbs. Bow hunting is popular where I am so you track alot of deer, if I was in a state that allowed bow hunting and not .223 in rifle season I would find that very conflicting. If you are trying to take an animal for the meat sometimes a larger caliber will ruin some of that meat.
 
st0wandgrow

st0wandgrow

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NLXSK1 said:
What does intelligence have to do with it?

Most hunters I am aware of do it for sport. And that generally means that they try to get the best kill possible. They dont want to shoot an animal in the ass and track it for 5 miles before it dies.

A .22 through the heart is just as lethal as anything else.
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"What does intelligence have to do with it?"

Most wild animals are dumb, lacking the ability to reason, and survive based on instincts (and senses). They kill their prey using teeth and claws, which often times takes several minutes to accomplish.

Humans on the other hand can reason, and typically understand that when killing an animal we do it as quickly (and painlessly) as possible ..... unless you're some twisted fuck that gets his rocks off on watching other living things suffer.
 
ASMALLVOICE

ASMALLVOICE

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I find no fault in what this man says, do you?
[video=youtube;1jwiP_XqesY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jwiP_XqesY&feature=player_profilepage[/video]

Peace

ASmallvoice
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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  • Humans on the other hand can reason, and typically understand that when killing an animal we do it as quickly (and painlessly) as possible​
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You are making a lot of assumptions here...
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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You are linking intelligence with the directive to not cause pain... :P

You are assuming everyone thinks like you do and has the same morality...

That is just for starters...
 
tekdc911

tekdc911

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rooky1985 said:
I agree completely, just making the point that .223 is plenty big enough to take down an animal 300lbs. Bow hunting is popular where I am so you track alot of deer, if I was in a state that allowed bow hunting and not .223 in rifle season I would find that very conflicting. If you are trying to take an animal for the meat sometimes a larger caliber will ruin some of that meat.
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i doesnt break the sound barrier it smashes it there have been multiple reports of people on the wrong end of a m-16 die'n from hydraulic shock from bein shot in the arm heart basically explodes deer is no match
 
tekdc911

tekdc911

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Harrekin said:
Usually a bullet in the back of your head/neck does it, a .22 would probably just wound the thing and let it die slowly from bleeding out.

If you hit it properly with a decent calibre round it'll die painlessly.

I guess youre a pretty shitty vegan.
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saw a 400 lb hog drop today from a .22 hollow point point blank of course but very very effective
 
ASMALLVOICE

ASMALLVOICE

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I have hunted all of my life. I have killed numerous critters for food and some for varmit control. Head shots are indeed a quick way to dispatch something, but not always the neatest. Take squirrels for instance, I have killed and ate hundreds in my life. Head shoot a squirrel and they flop around fairly regularly (nerves) for a few seconds. I shoot them in the boiler room (heart) and not so much as a twitch, just dead. Birds react much like that as well. I killed a deer once that was heart shot with a 308 and ran 200+ yds before piling up. Upon cleaning the deer, I found that it had ran all that distance with a heart that was cut into 3 seperate pieces, so there will always be exceptions to just about anything.

But with that said, I am a firm believer that bullet placement is of the highest priority to a hunter, or at least should be. If you hunt elk or larger game with a .223 or any thing smaller than a 30 cal., you really have no place in the woods and are doing nothing but giving hunters a bad rep. Bring enough gun, or pick a quarry that is within the range of your choice of weapon. I use a 25/06 for all my deer hunting and my wife has an awesome little 257 Roberts that is an accurate of a rifle as I have ever shot.

Peace

Asmallvoice
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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tekdc911 said:
actually walmart pulled handgun bullets off the shelves
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WND – The blogosphere has exploded with outrage in response to news that Walmart is suspending ammunition sales in anticipation of the Obama administration’s gun-control recommendations to Congress – but the retail giant tells WND the reports aren’t true.“That information is inaccurate,” said Ashley Hardie, a spokeswoman located at Walmart’s corporate headquarters in Bentonville, Ark.
WND then asked whether the retail chain is cutting back on orders of ammunition.
“No,” Hardie said. “We’re continuing to serve our customers as we have in the past.”
She said Walmart’s ammunition sales policy has not changed, even amid talk of gun-control legislation in Washington, D.C.
The uproar began when the InvestmentWatch blog posted a story headlined, “Breaking & confirmed: Walmart is not going to order any more ammo.”
CNS News cited the report, and talk-radio host Rush Limbaugh mentioned it during his Monday show.
According to the InvestmentWatch report, a man claimed to have visited his local Walmart and noticed the store was “out of almost every kind of ammo.”
“The manager I talked to said they had not heard anything, but she tried to order some .223 as I was standing there. She said the order was being rejected by the corporate office. Said she had never had that happen.”
He added, “She called corporate as I was standing there. And was told this, ‘As of right now Walmart is not going to be making any new orders of ammo because of the upcoming decision on the Second Amendment.’ Said, ‘As of right now we are unsure of what new legislation might be coming, and because of this, we are suspending new orders. We will continue to sell what is already in stock in stores and at our distribution centers, but any new orders will not be shipped until the issue is resolved.’
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Apparently it is bullshit...

http://patdollard.com/2013/01/walmart-ammo-suspension-rumor-not-true-will-continue-to-sell-bullets/
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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WND? patdollard.com?

is it any wonder that you were so completely and utterly brainwashed leading up to the election (and still are)?
 
NLXSK1

NLXSK1

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UncleBuck said:
i'm not questioning the article, i'm just pointing out what might be contributing to your outright delusional worldview.
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You were the one that believed walmart stopped selling bullets as evidenced by your comments above. And yet you call me delusional... The crazy person is always the last to know...

Probably all the ammonia in that bud you are smoking.... Cat Piss Fever...
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NLXSK1 said:
You were the one that believed walmart stopped selling bullets as evidenced by your comments above. And yet you call me delusional... The crazy person is always the last to know...

Probably all the ammonia in that bud you are smoking.... Cat Piss Fever...
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show me where i believed that walmart stopped selling bullets.

you seem especially angry that mommy and daddy grounded you and sent you to bed at 8pm without dinner last night.
 
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