Proposed Gun Laws

[Thundercat]

That is really the question that needs to be asked. Also how can we do so, without infringing on others rights?

Best thing I can suggest is required training and education, no that will not stop people from being irresponsible,but it will at least maximize the chances of them being safe. I am a responsible, and legal gun owner, and I think that most of us would be glad to take/get more training. I don't really think that requiring a safety course would infringe on our rights to much either. Gun shops should be able to issue a card which shows they have done a full background check on you, and that you have completed the safety course, this would allow you to purchase ammunition, or firearms. Its not a gun permit, or a carry permit, just proof of your qualifications. If you have a Carry permit it would be even better then said card. I don't know its a tough subject. If it was not an expensive process, that took weeks or months I think more people would get their permits. I never bothered nor do I want to have to because I don't carry my firearm, it is for home defense only. The card should also be cheap so people don't feel taken advantage of, and so every american who is able to can get one. Just my 2 cents.

 

[CrescentFresh]

That is really the question that needs to be asked. Also how can we do so, without infringing on others rights?

Best thing I can suggest is required training and education, no that will not stop people from being irresponsible,but it will at least maximize the chances of them being safe. I am a responsible, and legal gun owner, and I think that most of us would be glad to take/get more training. I don't really think that requiring a safety course would infringe on our rights to much either. Gun shops should be able to issue a card which shows they have done a full background check on you, and that you have completed the safety course, this would allow you to purchase ammunition, or firearms. Its not a gun permit, or a carry permit, just proof of your qualifications. If you have a Carry permit it would be even better then said card. I don't know its a tough subject. If it was not an expensive process, that took weeks or months I think more people would get their permits. I never bothered nor do I want to have to because I don't carry my firearm, it is for home defense only. The card should also be cheap so people don't feel taken advantage of, and so every american who is able to can get one. Just my 2 cents.

whoah hold your reigns back son... the government doesn't need a database of all gun owners.

 

[Thundercat]

It isn't a data base of gun owners "son", it would simple be a database of people that have passed a background check and have taken a safety course...period. Wether you buy a gun or not afterwards is up to you. Wether you own gun or not before hand is up to you, I'm a very resonable person and not a criminal, so I have no problem taking back ground checks.

 

[CrescentFresh]

It isn't a data base of gun owners "son", it would simple be a database of people that have passed a background check and have taken a safety course...period. Wether you buy a gun or not afterwards is up to you. Wether you own gun or not before hand is up to you, I'm a very resonable person and not a criminal, so I have no problem taking back ground checks.

i'm not a criminal either which is why it's unreasonable to let the govt know about my high level of gunning

 

[SpicySativa]

maybe she let him have access to guns so he could protect himself from intruders while she was at work...... he already had a disability so they could of had their way with him.. Did he ever get raped no.. check mate.

Well if that's the case, it sure backfired, huh? Instead, the kid gets to spend the rest of his life in prison or a mental institution... If that's check mate, who won?

 

[CrescentFresh]

Well if that's the case, it sure backfired, huh? Instead, the kid gets to spend the rest of his life in prison or a mental institution... If that's check mate, who won?

the kid died because someone shot him and saved the day. thankfully they had gun

 

[SpicySativa]

the kid died because someone shot him and saved the day. thankfully they had gun

You're right. I was mixing my facts up with one of the OTHER recent mass shootings... How sad is that?

 

[Thundercat]

i'm not a criminal either which is why it's unreasonable to let the govt know about my high level of gunning

Well cresent I'm gonna reiterate myself once more then I'm done. The government would have no information about your" level of gunning", by which I assume you mean the number of firearms you own. It wouldn't require or involve anything of the sort, again background check(which you already have to have to buy a gun)and safety certification very simple. Actually if this card allowed you to forgo future background checks upon purchasing a gun, then it would in fact actually decrease the ability of the government to know you "level of gunning". Use some intelligence man, I know the government is not to be trusted, note I didn't say anything about what firearms I own, or how many that's my business.

Actually spicy its easy to believe your mixing facts up when we are getting false and mixed messages from every angle about what actually happened at all of the recent events. Yes its sad they happened, but its about time we get some truth instead of biased media fear mongering. I agree with you about not living in fear of others, that does not mean I am nieve enough to believe I don't have to be able to protect my family. I truely hope that my firearms never get used for anything other then shooting at the range, or perhaps hunting I won't be left empty handed if some one tries to break in my home.

 

[curious2garden]

I already know about bullet buttons and what not. I've already looked into the laws. I'm probably going to leave one of my ar15's here on the east coast untouched...so it's grandfathered in when whatever bullshit federal ban comes into play...and use my stripped lower to build a cali legal rifle for over there.

Oh my I wouldn't bugger up my AR15(s) just to bring it(them) to Cali. Just get a different rifle for here and leave them someplace safe. My guess there will be a bunch of talking and nothing will really change. (I hope anyway).

 

[UncleBuck]

FYI, everyone: crescentfresh is an new sock puppet for an old bible thumping jesus freak, jack fate.

he is batshit, certifiably insane and will be banned again soon.

 

[phishtank]

whoah hold your reigns back son... the government doesn't need a database of all gun owners.

Have you ever actually legally purchased a firearm? Anytime you fill out background check paperwork to purchase a gun...the government knows what you are buying. They already have records of it. And I have no problem with it.

 

[berad4guvna]

Oh my I wouldn't bugger up my AR15(s) just to bring it(them) to Cali. Just get a different rifle for here and leave them someplace safe. My guess there will be a bunch of talking and nothing will really change. (I hope anyway).

Finally someone who knows what there talking about!

Obama and crew are going to find it very hard to ban AR-15s, and magazines capacity.

Hasn't any one heard half of the countries sheriffs going public blatantly saying that they would not enforce outrages gun laws? Such as these^ ?

Did I mention that none of the retard left wing ideas on gun regulation would ever pass Congress.

Plus Obama is more worried about raising the debit limit then gun control! His kinds get protected by sub-machine guns why cant yours?

The ~ Guvna

 

[CrescentFresh]

FYI, everyone: crescentfresh is an new sock puppet for an old bible thumping jesus freak, jack fate.

he is batshit, certifiably insane and will be banned again soon.

who the fucks jack fate and why are you riding my dick, heathen

 

[Thundercat]

ssshhhh things were just fine while you were gone. you can go back to your whole cresent.

I can't believe that more hasn't been done about the "fast and the furious" nonsense, and the fact that they aren't gonna prosecute Eric Holder. I'm 100% ok if they wanna give law abiding americans actual full auto weapons, but lets be smarter then handing them to crimminals.

 

[curious2garden]

....snip...... but lets be smarter then handing them to crimminals.

Honestly if we are going to give them to predators shouldn't we stop disarming the prey, unless that is the point....

 

[Randm]

The real problem is if you are arrested by the feds, even though you are california legal, and you are in posession of a firearm, then you will be prosecuted as a fellon in possesion of a firearm while committing a felony. In other words if you are raising marijuana in your garden, and the feds do a flyover and see it, even if you are california legal, they will bust you for cultivating AND will prosecute you for engaging in a felony while being in possesion of a firearm. If you have registered firearms they will be able to know it, and use this knowledge to come at you with their locked and loaded machine guns with everything they have because you are considered a 'verified threat'. How many have been shot by the cops because a homeowner had no idea who those masked gunmen where breaking into their homes with guns drawn and simply wanted to defend their family?
If you are a legal patient and own a firearm you are technically comitting a felony.
If you are a caregiver and supply a patient with their meds, you are commiting a felony.


Thats why I am completely against the government from even knowing who is armed and who is not. The NRA agreed to background checks with the stipulation that no records of such checks be kept for a very good reason.

Freedom means accepting personal responsiblity.