OldGrowth420
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I can't know unless i see some testimony or at least see something, i did a tiny bit of snooping around and i couldn't find too much.
How do I get to heaven? Answers to your questions on eternal life.
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Chief Walkin Eagle
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OldGrowth420
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Some people believe that once you are saved that's it and you are going to heaven. Some people think you can lose your salvation. The evidence i have read from the bible says that if you do some things you can't get into heaven.
Here is a selection from 1 Corinthians 6 and i have posted many times on this previously in this thread and given many scriptural references,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? [SUP]8 [/SUP]Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]10 [/SUP]nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
Here is a selection from 1 Corinthians 6 and i have posted many times on this previously in this thread and given many scriptural references,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? [SUP]8 [/SUP]Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]10 [/SUP]nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
OldGrowth420
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Thanks i will check it out.
OldGrowth420
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I'm not sure what to say about the Indian near death experiences.
It's interesting how they differ from western cultures, but are still very similar to one another.
I really don't think that people go to hell who haven't heard about Christ.
It's interesting how they differ from western cultures, but are still very similar to one another.
I really don't think that people go to hell who haven't heard about Christ.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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If they are somewhat civilized and cultured and are in the 19th-20th century, they have heard about Christ and they still choose to be Hindu. They are Hindu, they have heard about Christ, and there is no Hell in their near death experiences.
Dr Kynes
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False.
those who worship the god of abraham do not kneel and bow towards any physical location, nor do they venerate a rock.
judaism and christianity both prohibit idolatry, and the worship of objects (with varying degrees of success, lol catholics) , while moslem dogma only prohibits worshiping any object other than the rock in the kaaba.
in word and deed the god of the jews is fundamentally different from the god of moslems, and the god of the christians is even further removed from those primitive and arbitrarily violent deities.
each of these three sides claims to be the True Believers of the god of abraham, and untill that asshole reaches down and points at his actual "Chosen People" any of them could be right, or even more likely, they are all 3 dead ass wrong.
Cernunnos, Rhiannon, and Arawnn however, remain as philosophically and logically consistent today as they were in the paleolithic era.
also, thumbs up for the Hindi and the Taoists.
Kickin It Ye Olde Schoole since 3000 BC.
Zaehet Strife
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Then you haven't read the bible.
It would be nice to talk to a christian who actually has knowledge about the bible before bull shit spills out of their mouths.
Dr Kynes
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Dr Kynes
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all 3 allegedly abrahamic texts (torah, new testament, and koran) are each so full of contradictions and just plain insanity that there can be no consensus on what any portion of them might mean.
i believe this is by design.
why be an all powerful Priest-King if you have to adhere to the last Priest-King's edicts.
if your "sacred texts" are so nutty as to be self defeating, YOU as the Priest-King become the true power.
Powerslave
Bruce Dickinson
Into the abyss I'll fall-the eye of Horus
Into the eyes of the night-watching me go
Green is the cat's eye that glows-in this temple
Enter the risen Osiris-risen again.
Chorus
Tell me why I had to be a powerslave
I don't wanna die, I'm a god, why can't I live on?
When the life giver dies, all around is laid to waste.
And in my last hour,
I'm a slave to the power of death.
When I was living this lie-fear was my game
People would worship and fall-drop to their knees
So bring me the blood and red wine for the one to succeed me
For he is a man and a god-and he will die too.
Chorus
Now I am cold but a ghost lives in my veins,
Silent the terror that reigned-marbled in stone
Shell of a man God preserved-a thousand ages
But open the gates of my hell-I will strike from the grave.
Chorus
Padawanbater2
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We're taught, in Christianity, God is all forgiving, all loving.. yadda yadda.. How would you reconcile that with this claim?
How can there be anything unforgivable within the teachings of Christianity if there are some things you can do which are "unforgivable" according to biblical teachings? Does this not eliminate the possibility of an omnibenevolent being?
If you can do some things and you can't get into Heaven, doesn't that mean the creator is not unforgivable? Doesn't unforgivable render Gods 'omnibenevolence' moot?
OldGrowth420
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This is from gospel.com
God has promised us that, if we seek Him with all our hearts, we will find Him (Jeremiah 29:13). He is not eager for anyone to perish (2 Peter 3:9). “For there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Romans 10:12-13). We do not know how God is dealing with people in lands yet unreached by the gospel, but from Scripture we can see that He will never condemn anyone unjustly, but will be faithful to reveal Himself to anyone who looks for His salvation.
We also know that John saw in heaven “…a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands and crying out with a loud voice, saying, ‘Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!’” (Revelation 7:9-10). Not only every nation but every tribe will be represented in heaven.
Notice that they all sing the same song. We are not saying that sincere Muslims or Hindus, trusting in their religion, will make it to heaven. There is only one Savior, and everyone in heaven will be there through the salvation provided by God’s Lamb, the Lord Jesus.
We also know that John saw in heaven “…a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands and crying out with a loud voice, saying, ‘Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!’” (Revelation 7:9-10). Not only every nation but every tribe will be represented in heaven.
Notice that they all sing the same song. We are not saying that sincere Muslims or Hindus, trusting in their religion, will make it to heaven. There is only one Savior, and everyone in heaven will be there through the salvation provided by God’s Lamb, the Lord Jesus.
OldGrowth420
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I believe that God is loving and just, and those who haven't heard of Jesus but have a pure heart will make it to heaven.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Yet those who HAVE heard of Jesus, reject him, but still have a pure heart will burn for eternity?
Padawanbater2
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OK, but that isn't what Christianity teaches. Those who haven't heard of Jesus are damned to an eternity of torture and torment, according to Christianity.
OldGrowth420
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God is loving, but He is also Holy, and despises sin.
Sin is detestable in the eyes of God because He is so perfect and Holy.
And God hates as well, we are created in His image and i expect He experiences a lot of the same emotions we do.
Everything is forgivable, except blaspheming the Holy Ghost.
But we have to turn from the sin and ask for forgiveness in the name of Jesus to receive it.
If we just keep doing it over and over, without repenting (turning from our sins) (repent in Greek means to change your mind)
Then we don't ask for forgiveness, and we ultimately die in our sins and suffer the consequences.
Be perfect, as your Father in heaven is perfect.
OldGrowth420
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Frankly, no that isn't what Christianity teaches.
OldGrowth420
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Yes.
God sent His only son to die for our sins,
It's a pretty big deal to Him.
Chief Walkin Eagle
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Fuck the Holy Ghost, na'm sayin?!... Well, Im hooped...
OldGrowth420
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[h=3]Luke 13[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)
[h=3]A Call to Repentance[/h]13 About this time Jesus was informed that Pilate had murdered some people from Galilee as they were offering sacrifices at the Temple. [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Do you think those Galileans were worse sinners than all the other people from Galilee?” Jesus asked. “Is that why they suffered? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Not at all! And you will perish, too, unless you repent of your sins and turn to God. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And what about the eighteen people who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them? Were they the worst sinners in Jerusalem? [SUP]5 [/SUP]No, and I tell you again that unless you repent, you will perish, too.”
[h=3]Parable of the Barren Fig Tree[/h][SUP]6 [/SUP]Then Jesus told this story: “A man planted a fig tree in his garden and came again and again to see if there was any fruit on it, but he was always disappointed. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Finally, he said to his gardener, ‘I’ve waited three years, and there hasn’t been a single fig! Cut it down. It’s just taking up space in the garden.’
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“The gardener answered, ‘Sir, give it one more chance. Leave it another year, and I’ll give it special attention and plenty of fertilizer. [SUP]9 [/SUP]If we get figs next year, fine. If not, then you can cut it down.’”
[h=3]Jesus Heals on the Sabbath[/h][SUP]10 [/SUP]One Sabbath day as Jesus was teaching in a synagogue, [SUP]11 [/SUP]he saw a woman who had been crippled by an evil spirit. She had been bent double for eighteen years and was unable to stand up straight. [SUP]12 [/SUP]When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said, “Dear woman, you are healed of your sickness!” [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then he touched her, and instantly she could stand straight. How she praised God!
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the leader in charge of the synagogue was indignant that Jesus had healed her on the Sabbath day. “There are six days of the week for working,” he said to the crowd. “Come on those days to be healed, not on the Sabbath.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But the Lord replied, “You hypocrites! Each of you works on the Sabbath day! Don’t you untie your ox or your donkey from its stall on the Sabbath and lead it out for water? [SUP]16 [/SUP]This dear woman, a daughter of Abraham, has been held in bondage by Satan for eighteen years. Isn’t it right that she be released, even on the Sabbath?”
[SUP]17 [/SUP]This shamed his enemies, but all the people rejoiced at the wonderful things he did.
[h=3]Parable of the Mustard Seed[/h][SUP]18 [/SUP]Then Jesus said, “What is the Kingdom of God like? How can I illustrate it? [SUP]19 [/SUP]It is like a tiny mustard seed that a man planted in a garden; it grows and becomes a tree, and the birds make nests in its branches.”
[h=3]Parable of the Yeast[/h][SUP]20 [/SUP]He also asked, “What else is the Kingdom of God like? [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is like the yeast a woman used in making bread. Even though she put only a little yeast in three measures of flour, it permeated every part of the dough.”
[h=3]The Narrow Door[/h][SUP]22 [/SUP]Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he went, always pressing on toward Jerusalem. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Someone asked him, “Lord, will only a few be saved?”
He replied, [SUP]24 [/SUP]“Work hard to enter the narrow door to God’s Kingdom, for many will try to enter but will fail. [SUP]25 [/SUP]When the master of the house has locked the door, it will be too late. You will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Lord, open the door for us!’ But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’ [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then you will say, ‘But we ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ [SUP]27 [/SUP]And he will reply, ‘I tell you, I don’t know you or where you come from. Get away from me, all you who do evil.’
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, for you will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God, but you will be thrown out. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And people will come from all over the world—from east and west, north and south—to take their places in the Kingdom of God. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And note this: Some who seem least important now will be the greatest then, and some who are the greatest now will be least important then.[SUP][a][/SUP]”
[h=3]A Call to Repentance[/h]13 About this time Jesus was informed that Pilate had murdered some people from Galilee as they were offering sacrifices at the Temple. [SUP]2 [/SUP]“Do you think those Galileans were worse sinners than all the other people from Galilee?” Jesus asked. “Is that why they suffered? [SUP]3 [/SUP]Not at all! And you will perish, too, unless you repent of your sins and turn to God. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And what about the eighteen people who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them? Were they the worst sinners in Jerusalem? [SUP]5 [/SUP]No, and I tell you again that unless you repent, you will perish, too.”
[h=3]Parable of the Barren Fig Tree[/h][SUP]6 [/SUP]Then Jesus told this story: “A man planted a fig tree in his garden and came again and again to see if there was any fruit on it, but he was always disappointed. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Finally, he said to his gardener, ‘I’ve waited three years, and there hasn’t been a single fig! Cut it down. It’s just taking up space in the garden.’
[SUP]8 [/SUP]“The gardener answered, ‘Sir, give it one more chance. Leave it another year, and I’ll give it special attention and plenty of fertilizer. [SUP]9 [/SUP]If we get figs next year, fine. If not, then you can cut it down.’”
[h=3]Jesus Heals on the Sabbath[/h][SUP]10 [/SUP]One Sabbath day as Jesus was teaching in a synagogue, [SUP]11 [/SUP]he saw a woman who had been crippled by an evil spirit. She had been bent double for eighteen years and was unable to stand up straight. [SUP]12 [/SUP]When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said, “Dear woman, you are healed of your sickness!” [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then he touched her, and instantly she could stand straight. How she praised God!
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the leader in charge of the synagogue was indignant that Jesus had healed her on the Sabbath day. “There are six days of the week for working,” he said to the crowd. “Come on those days to be healed, not on the Sabbath.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP]But the Lord replied, “You hypocrites! Each of you works on the Sabbath day! Don’t you untie your ox or your donkey from its stall on the Sabbath and lead it out for water? [SUP]16 [/SUP]This dear woman, a daughter of Abraham, has been held in bondage by Satan for eighteen years. Isn’t it right that she be released, even on the Sabbath?”
[SUP]17 [/SUP]This shamed his enemies, but all the people rejoiced at the wonderful things he did.
[h=3]Parable of the Mustard Seed[/h][SUP]18 [/SUP]Then Jesus said, “What is the Kingdom of God like? How can I illustrate it? [SUP]19 [/SUP]It is like a tiny mustard seed that a man planted in a garden; it grows and becomes a tree, and the birds make nests in its branches.”
[h=3]Parable of the Yeast[/h][SUP]20 [/SUP]He also asked, “What else is the Kingdom of God like? [SUP]21 [/SUP]It is like the yeast a woman used in making bread. Even though she put only a little yeast in three measures of flour, it permeated every part of the dough.”
[h=3]The Narrow Door[/h][SUP]22 [/SUP]Jesus went through the towns and villages, teaching as he went, always pressing on toward Jerusalem. [SUP]23 [/SUP]Someone asked him, “Lord, will only a few be saved?”
He replied, [SUP]24 [/SUP]“Work hard to enter the narrow door to God’s Kingdom, for many will try to enter but will fail. [SUP]25 [/SUP]When the master of the house has locked the door, it will be too late. You will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Lord, open the door for us!’ But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from.’ [SUP]26 [/SUP]Then you will say, ‘But we ate and drank with you, and you taught in our streets.’ [SUP]27 [/SUP]And he will reply, ‘I tell you, I don’t know you or where you come from. Get away from me, all you who do evil.’
[SUP]28 [/SUP]“There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, for you will see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the Kingdom of God, but you will be thrown out. [SUP]29 [/SUP]And people will come from all over the world—from east and west, north and south—to take their places in the Kingdom of God. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And note this: Some who seem least important now will be the greatest then, and some who are the greatest now will be least important then.[SUP][a][/SUP]”